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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Wayfarer
Bull#!!
No, you can not.
I purchased a Ruger revolver this past summer at a gun show, and I had to jump through all the same hoops as I would at any store that sells firearms. Everyone of those people who sell firearms at those show have to be licensed to sell 'em.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: caterpillage
a reply to: Wayfarer
I have a 95 beretta I'll sell you for 100 bucks. It runs and drives fine, and will kill as many people as you can hit with it. It's kind of a death trap to the people in it too, and no background check required what so ever
Why are all these folks shooting up these places then if cars are way easier and more effective means of killing?
Because its easier to kill people with guns, particulaarly in a building.
I concede that.
So then you would just outlaw the tool that is easiest to kill people with.
So ok, lets say we get rid of guns.
Now 5 years from now we check again.
Now killers are using cars the most. So do we now ban cars?
Then five years later its knives.
The point is, once we start banning the tool most used, when do we stop?
I pripose we stop focuing on the tool, and focus more on the type of people that use the tool to kill, and how to help on that end.
I dunno man, sounds a bit like a defeatist attitude. It stops after we correct all the avenue's that make it easy for crazies to kill people. Barricades for cars, etc.
There is a solution to it all, just not the will. Surprisingly, on the whole most 2nd amendment supporters seem to change their tune when they or their own loved ones are the victims of gun violence.
No there is no solution.
There we go. This is what I was looking for. The solution is to actually make guns more prevalent, and more easily accessible. The only result that changes anything is if we are all killed in gun violence.
So you are saying baan guns or we all need to die?
Sounds reasonable.
No I'm saying the only solution that many of the 2nd amendment supporters here on ATS have is the only restriction to be levied is a complete anti-restriction. Somehow more guns will fix everything.......
well I didnt say that.
I do think that gun free zones seem to experince these mass shootings more often.
You didn't say it until you just did it seems; Implying that having guns be more prevalent as the solution.
No i didnt say more guns is the answer.
I said areas where guns are restricted seem to be targeted more.
There is a huge difference
Really? An area where guns are unrestricted logically would have more guns in it. Correlating areas with more guns as safer is directly implying that the quantity of guns is a direct factor in safety.
originally posted by: roadgravel
There are people who cannot legal possess a gun but they do. The honor system.
originally posted by: roadgravel
How about illegally possessing a firearm or using one in a crime is an automatic death sentence. Will that be acceptable.
In Chicago, the U.S. attorney filed only one gun prosecution for every 25 cases of gun violence, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive. The report found similar disparities in other major American cities, including St. Louis, Philadelphia, Detroit and Houston.
Prosecutors have told me gun laws are difficult cases to prosecute, without much jury appeal. Consequently, there aren’t many prosecutions. In 2015, only 6,000 convictions were won nationwide – a 15 percent drop from five years earlier.
Although anyone failing a background check to purchase a weapon can technically be prosecuted, they seldom are. During my service in Congress as chairman of the House Oversight Committee, I asked the Justice Department to provide specific numbers of gun prosecutions. I got delays, questions, and ultimately convoluted answers about how many gun crimes the department actually prosecuted.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Wayfarer
Bull#!!
No, you can not.
I purchased a Ruger revolver this past summer at a gun show, and I had to jump through all the same hoops as I would at any store that sells firearms. Everyone of those people who sell firearms at those show have to be licensed to sell 'em.
I was at a gun show down in rural Kentucky 2 years ago and one of the 'sellers' (if you can even call them that as it was just about of townies with guns set out on folding tables), was selling a piece of junk 38 special for $110, and I watched what looked like a 17 year old kid walk up and buy it cash in hand, and walk off with little more than about 3 sentences spoken....
originally posted by: Wayfarer
I was at a gun show down in rural Kentucky 2 years ago and one of the 'sellers' (if you can even call them that as it was just about of townies with guns set out on folding tables), was selling a piece of junk 38 special for $110, and I watched what looked like a 17 year old kid walk up and buy it cash in hand, and walk off with little more than about 3 sentences spoken....
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Grambler
And under mao, up to 100 million chinese may have be murdered by the government.
...and how did he come to power?? By using a gun, or many thousands of 'em. He learned his lesson well.
We stab each other to death in the UK...crazies will kill just find a different tool...illegal guns are well regulated by criminals here and only used against other criminals usually. It's a cultural thing and works, but we just stab each other instead.
originally posted by: narrator
Bottom line, you can use pretty much anything to kill someone. Pencils, fire extinguishers, bare hands, a rock, etc. HOWEVER, guns are used the vast majority of the time in America. Why not make it harder for that to happen?
I was at a gun show down in rural Kentucky 2 years ago and one of the 'sellers' (if you can even call them that as it was just about of townies with guns set out on folding tables), was selling a piece of junk 38 special for $110, and I watched what looked like a 17 year old kid walk up and buy it cash in hand, and walk off with little more than about 3 sentences spoken....
How would the deputy know if it was a side arm? I'd just hide it in a bag or whatever, did he/she search everyone on exit?
originally posted by: seagull
The last show I went to, last weekend, there was a county sheriffs deputy parked right outside the exit. You were not going to walk in, buy a gun, and walk out with it.