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originally posted by: fomalhaut
Wow. If only ATSers would spend as much time defending kids as they do guns. The world would be a better place.
originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: UnBreakable
Those are gangbangers killing gangbangers school shooters go out of their way to kill innocent human beings a better comparison would be suicide bombers and 9 times out of 10 their parents agree w their ideology, apple not falling far from the tree. I didn't mean to call out your dear fuhrer my point was that these idiots and the gangbangimg idiots are highly impressionable and 9 times out of 10 learned their ideology from an older relative (parent) or peer. It is a fair comaprison although when we ask, Where are the gangbangers parents? Where are the mass shooters parents?
If you truly believe that gun control will stop school shootings
Since Op won't stay and defend his point, I won't waste my time making mine.
originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: UnBreakable
Here we go again with the bullying excuse give me a break man kids were getting bullied when I was a kid nobody ever came back to shoot the school up
originally posted by: Aazadan
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Southern Guardian
So how would you, SG, handle this?
More laws? (Murder, discharging a weapon, having a weapon in school are already illegal)
More checks and balances? (See US debt)
Perhaps just straight up confiscation?
Repeal the 2nd Amendment. I'm beginning to believe that's the only solution.
We've had more kids shot in schools in 2018 than we've had active duty military shot.
originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986
If you truly believe that gun control will stop school shootings
Where in the OP did I say gun control would stop all school shootings? Did the data show school shootings occuring in countries with stricter gun control? Yes it did.
That's not the point of the OP.
My comment wasn't directed at you in particular, but rather the general consensus among the left that more gun control is needed. As if that would've prevented these shootings, or if that is the key to preventing future ones from happening -- both of which would be incredibly foolish to believe.
So what is the point of your OP when you end it with "Tell me again how guns aren't the problem?"
Chicago’s youngest victim lost to gun violence this year may have been targeted by four reputed gang members who thought the boy shouted a warning to rival gangbangers, Chicago police said Friday in announcing charges in the month-old slaying. At a news conference, Superintendent Garry McCarthy lauded the help of the community in solving the slaying of 9-year-old Antonio Smith Jr., saying police had little to go on after his shooting Aug. 20 in a back yard in the Greater Grand Crossing neighborhood “The community refused to stay silent and provided us with vital information that culminated in the arrest of these three offenders,” McCarthy told reporters Friday afternoon at police headquarters. A fourth suspect was charged later.
Demographic studies of gangs cited by Howell show that the typical age range for a gang is 12–24 with the average age of gang members 17–18 years old. The average age tends to be older in cities like Los Angeles and Chicago where gangs are well established and have been in existence for longer periods of time. Male gang members outnumber female gang members by a wide margin. Traditional gangs average about 180 members and specialty gangs — drug traffickers — are much smaller with only about 25 members on average. The ethnicity of gang members is 48% African-American, 43% Hispanic, 5% white, and 4% Asian. The preponderance of African-American and Hispanic representation in gang membership is not due to a predisposition to gang activities, but rather overrepresentation in those areas most conducive to gang activities. Researchers give several motivations for joining a youth gang. These reasons include: Enhanced status or prestige among friends. Increased income from drug sales and other criminal enterprises. Protection from other gangs. Social relationships giving a sense of personal identity. Coercion into joining. Researchers into gang activities recommend that youth-serving organizations be alert to signs that indicate possible gang activity. According to Ronald D. Stephens, Executive Director of the National School Safety Center at Pepperdine University, the signs include: Graffiti — Gangs use graffiti to mark their territory. When another gang disputes territory they often cross out the rival gang’s graffiti and replace it with their own. Colors, jewelry and distinctive clothing — Gangs generally establish distinctive clothing to signify affiliation with a particular gang. Unwary youths wearing similar clothing may become victims of gang rivalries. Physical confrontations and staredowns — Increasing violence may signal the presence of gangs. Beepers, pagers, and cellular telephones — Youths who carry electronic communications tools may be involved with gang drug activity. Drive-by shootings in the community — Drive-by shootings are most often the result of competition between gangs for territory. “Show-by” display of weapons — Usually a precursor to drive-by shootings. Gang members will drive by brandishing weapons to demonstrate their capacity for deadly violence. Racial conflict — There is a high correlation between racial conflict and gang membership. Many gangs are formed along racial and ethnic lines for protection and affiliation. Community history of gangs — Communities with a history of gangs are more likely to have an established gang presence with gang membership including representation from several generations. Increasing presence of informal groups calling themselves a “posse,” “crew,” or some other socially questionable name — Informal groups with seemingly benign, yet revealing, names may be the first step to becoming involved with a gang. Tattoos — Often, gang members have tattoos that symbolize their gang affiliation.
he made it to 11 before being gunned down him self by a 16 and 14 year old fellow gangmembers
By most accounts, his grandmother's home was not much better than Sandifer's previous home. Sandifer, by the age of 8, quit attending school and began to roam the streets stealing cars and breaking into houses. In 1993, Sandifer and his siblings were removed from his grandmother's home and were sent to the Lawrence Hall DCFS shelter on Chicago's north side, from which Sandifer ran away and never returned. From 1993 until his death, Sandifer's whereabouts and living arrangements remain unclear, although he continued to be arrested by the authorities.[2]
The 10-year-old terror arrested for robbing an elderly woman and trying to set a Brooklyn store on fire was well on his way to becoming one of the youngest gang members in the city, officials said. A Brooklyn Crips set is recruiting the 10-year-old, and the arson at a Deals Discount store on Clarkson Ave. in East Flatbush on Tuesday was some kind of initiation, police sources said. That's pretty much unheard of, according to NYPD Assistant Commissioner Kevin O'Connor of the Juvenile Justice Division.
its more likely the high death toll can be explained that most gang members dont care who they hit in the crossfire which helps to explain why some of the victims are so young even if they arent affiliated they can still become victims of gang violence
Gangs in Northern Virginia are a growing threat to residents’ safety and are recruiting children as young as 7 years old, law enforcement officials said yesterday, a day after what police sources say was the second gang-related attack in a week. Gangs, which police say are growing in size and boldness, usually commit violent crimes against other gangs, but bystanders are at risk. “When these people are shooting, they don’t care about who’s behind it and who they miss,” said Sgt. Jerry Keys, a spokesman for the Herndon police. “The general public is at risk, because you might be behind that person.”
"It isn't as bad as what happens in America, at least not yet. But children as young as eight are getting involved in gangs and introduced to crime. "They are being bullied by older children, and quickly coming to realise that the way to protect yourself from older thugs is to imitate them. They join gangs, they encourage each other to act tough, and they start thieving. "That's how the escalation starts. It can end with violence on the streets, even with murder." By the age of 13, the hard core have started to graduate to violent street robbery. Ebeneezer Gorazeb, 33, the treasurer of the Doddington Estate Resource Centre, knows from experience that if you are going to reform child criminals, you have to catch them between about eight and ten because, he says, "by the age of 14 or 15, it is already too late". They are already fixed on fast money and the spurious glamour of violent crime and can't be persuaded out of it. Indeed, last week the Office for Standards in Education reported that as many as 10,000 children, mostly aged 14 or 15, were missing from the state school system altogether. Some may be working but others, Ofsted admitted, were probably out committing crime. Most car-jacking is done by youngsters between the ages of 13 and 18. "They don't know what civilised standards are," says Commander Baker.
originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
Those examples also all require much more skill to use, not to mention happen in more limited circumstances. You can't just point in a classroom in the middle of the day, pull a trigger, shoot people, and move on to the next room.
originally posted by: JinMI
Repeal the 2nd because the media has convinced you there is no other solution?
What about the first?