SUV plows into crowd of people-Melbourne BREAKING NOW

originally posted by: mortex

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: mortex

If what you are saying is right, and it may well be, you don't think the media and police are doing the right thing?

Best not to plaster all over the news that it's terrorism so as not to influence anyone else into copycat mode, the only reports of terrorism we are getting are the successful operations stopping any would be terrorists .

I'm in agreement with the reporting we don't need to be emboldening anymore nutjobs, regardless of religious belief.

It’s 100% correct and factual.

They are going to attack us regardless, they already have several times in this country. It’s just been played down.

We are at war with these people with this Islamic sham religion ideology.
It’s time every westerner woke up and realised we are in a clash of civilisations.
Our corrupt politicians are bringing this clash to our cities and suburbs.

To be perfectly honest I think you're being a little melodramatic, no doubt there are nutters and no doubt some of them are Islamic but dude really?

We are not under attack and we are not fighting g for our soverignty.

Where do you believe there are no go zones in Sydney?

It had earlier been revealed that Noori mentioned the mistreatment of Muslims as a factor behind his horrific attack, during the hospital discussion with police.

And in the same article police admit he was ranting about allah and ASIO. But they still maintain it’s not terrorism.

He had clear political motives, his Islamic ideology drove him to do what he did(no pun intended)...but they still think they can fool the public?


www.heraldsun.com.au...

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed


Yeh, nah we aren’t at war lmfao. Is this guy serious?
What do you think the ADF is doing overseas?
Who do you think they are bombing in Iraq?
Who do you think they are helping the Philippines fight against?

God damn it there are some really dense people around in this countr.

Do you know how the enemy fights? With terrorist attacks.
That is their method of fighting us. Our methods is sending soldiers, and cruise missiles from ships and bombs from planes.

Do you understand the enemy doesn’t just want to kill you, they want to take over and convert by force what’s left?

Pull your head out of the beach sand.

originally posted by: mortex
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed


Yeh, nah we aren’t at war lmfao. Is this guy serious?
What do you think the ADF is doing overseas?
Who do you think they are bombing in Iraq?
Who do you think they are helping the Philippines fight against?

God damn it there are some really dense people around in this countr.

Do you know how the enemy fights? With terrorist attacks.
That is their method of fighting us. Our methods is sending soldiers, and cruise missiles from ships and bombs from planes.

Do you understand the enemy doesn’t just want to kill you, they want to take over and convert by force what’s left?

Pull your head out of the beach sand.

You made a claim that there are places in Sydney the police are afraid to go?

So where are they, can you back up your claim ? I don't think you can, so here is your opportunity....

Of course, unknown to most people, Islam terrorist attacks in Australia go back 100 years or more.

The "Battle of Broken Hill" occurred during WW1 in 1915, while Australia was officially at war with the Turks in the ME, alongside The British Imperial Forces, a pair of "Ghans" from what is now the Pakistan/Khyber pass/Afghan area, decided they didnt like a Foreign country fighting against their brothers over there, and decided to shoot up a picnic train load of "White" people, on their way to a watering hole.
They shot and killed 4 people and wounded 7 others.

www.smithsonianmag.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

Of course, in those days...the offenders were killed.

Shows that times really haven't changed in 100 years.....with the same question, what the hell are we doing over there, fighting in their own country, anyway!!
What is it all for?

a reply to: gort51

I believe it's to keep those nations from uniting into a force to be reckoned with, remember Gaddafi's plan for the united states of Africa, that was nipped in the bud rather quickly .

It's not in the globalists best interests to have any more players in the field. Anyhow that's a topic for another thread.

a reply to: djz3ro

Right because liveleaks isn't full of these f***wits filming their bad acts or anything, and God only knows Islamic terrorists have NEVER resorted to using edged weapons when there's no shooty Styx to be had....

GMAFB

originally posted by: mortex

originally posted by: Jonjonj
The Australian newspaper is reporting it as the act of a mentally ill drug addict.

Australian Twitter

A vehicle attack on a busy pedestrian crossing in Melbourne’s Flinders Street which left 14 people in hospital was the work of a mentally ill drug addict, police believe. The Australian understands the attack, which occurred at 4.42pm in the heart of downtown Melbourne, is not being treated as terrorism. Rather, the driver is thought to be a mentally ill man with a history of addiction to the drug ice. It is understood he has no known links to extremism and is not known to counter-terrorism authorities. A second man pictured arrested at the scene was unconnected to the attack, The Australian has been told. Police have said publicly the attack was deliberate but that the driver’s motive remained unknown.

I believe the article itself is paywalled though, so I found this online.

Hopefully this is resolved quickly.

Thoughts are with the victims.

Bullsh**.

It was terrorism.
There were three people involved, two in the car, one outside filming them.
They were armed with knives in back packs.
They were stopped before they could carry out the next part of their attack, stabbing people, because they got pulled out of the car by by standers including an off duty police officer.
The incident response team from Victoria Police also responded very quickly.
At the moment there is teams of heavily armed police who are patrolling Melbourne ready to respond to incidents like this. That's not a very well known fact despite it being in the public domain. It's not your regular beat cop either, it's like the SOG or CIRT guys.

Let me say it again, this was terrorism.
They are not going to admit it though because 1) it creates panic during the holiday/christmas period, and 2) it's an admission that their migration policies, which basically amounts to handing out visas left right and center to every riffraff scumbag in the third world and flooding Australia with these people, is a complete and utter failure.

There have been several incidents of terrorism in Melbourne and Sydney in recent years, and things are getting more violent and dangerous, slowly but surely.

The perpertrators were Afghan Muslims.

They are using the drug and mental illness excuse because they have the precedent already from the Australian guy some time ago. He was mentally unstable, came from a broken home, parents were junkies, he was a junkie, his brother was a junkie, there was a history of family violence, and he was on an ice binge at the time. He thought the illuminati was out to get him and all that stuff. The guy literally was crazy. And you could go to his various facebook accounts most of which were public and not private, and see his rantings about the illuminati and god.

What's happened yesterday in Melbourne is pure terrorism, the likes of which we see overseas.
Luckily for us though it was stopped half way through the attack and so far people are only injured and not dead. Had they been able to go on with the rest of their attack, by stabbing random people, there'd be a death toll right now.


Enough is enough. Time to start kicking these people out of Australia.
They do not integrate, they do not assimilate. We do not want these sorts of types here, nor do we need them.
They do not add anything positive to Australian society and culture.

I've been looking at a lot of the comments online in articles and such and you're correct.

99% seem to think it's a muslim terrorist attack and I agree. The guy even said himself he did it because of mistreatment of muslims.

The politicians and police and some of the media seem to be more concerned with being PC and not upsetting the muslim community, and are pushing the mental angle as they've done in Europe aswell. Just makes them look stupid and incompetent.

The earlier car attack in Melbourne I've been looking into it. Turns out the guy is a muslim.

He has said in court his allegiance is to Islam, but he does seem like a complete nut. It's not either or. A person can be crazy and a muslim terrorist.

A close friend said Gargasoulas' rantings were driven by heavy use of the drug ice, and that he had recently converted to Islam

www.dailymail.co.uk...

DIMITRIOUS Gargasoulas, the man accused of murdering six people in the Bourke Street mall massacre, has faced court for the first time — and declared his allegiance to Islam and the Koran.

www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/bourke-st-massacre-accused-dimitrious-gargasoulas-declares-he-is-not-guilty/news-story/6840dce89acf6c31bc13abc3c23 94263?nk=f4487d69e782b9bec7d1e7a86a30c901-1513944752

a reply to: JimTSpock


I agree. How much more terroristy does it have to be before it is called what it is?

a reply to: gort51

It is a mistake to stereotype and create policies based on superficial religious divisions.

By the same logic that you condemn Muslims you could say that "the Nazi night of the long knives" successfully predicted the Einstein–Szilárd letter 5 years later, and that it was "the Jew" in 1939 unleashing a terrible new weapon on mankind.

originally posted by: Kalixi
My husband was there in the crowd. It appears to be a deliberate act with at least 17 injured.

A bystander was also arrested because he made threats to kill the driver

Stay safe this Christmas

wait....you guys would arrest someone for that in Aussie?

Its human nature to be angry and seek to defend yourself while under assault. How is this criminalized?

a reply to: JBurns

Yeah, I regretted commenting after I did, but I'm not one to generally delete a comment, so I left it up. It really wasn't worth responding to.

a reply to: JBurns

After reading your post again, turns out I'm the foolish one that can't follow the conversation.... Doh! Apologies to you.

I to actually address what you said I have to disagree, our gun laws are not draconian.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Xcathdra

If a person is willing to that to random members of the public he doesn't deserve a trial, that is worthy of an instant decapitation. Justice wild west style.

At which point you become no better than the person you are lynching... Justice old school Australian style.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
I to actually address what you said I have to disagree, our gun laws are not draconian.

Nor are they effective since Australia still has gun crimes.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
I to actually address what you said I have to disagree, our gun laws are not draconian.

Nor are they effective since Australia still has gun crimes.

I'm pretty sure the gun laws do work actually, one simple measure is that when we deal with cops it's not at gun point because cops here are not worried about average Joe carrying a gun. Citizens need not worry about walking or driving around and getting shot because Shootings here are so rare.

So yeah your argument holds no weight.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: mortex
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed


Yeh, nah we aren’t at war lmfao. Is this guy serious?
What do you think the ADF is doing overseas?
Who do you think they are bombing in Iraq?
Who do you think they are helping the Philippines fight against?

God damn it there are some really dense people around in this countr.

Do you know how the enemy fights? With terrorist attacks.
That is their method of fighting us. Our methods is sending soldiers, and cruise missiles from ships and bombs from planes.

Do you understand the enemy doesn’t just want to kill you, they want to take over and convert by force what’s left?

Pull your head out of the beach sand.

You made a claim that there are places in Sydney the police are afraid to go?

So where are they, can you back up your claim ? I don't think you can, so here is your opportunity....

Ah focusing on that one little thing are ya? Can't argue with the rest of what I said so focus on something I haven't given much attention to? LMFAO, you're beaten, give up and go away, find another topic to post in.

I never even what you claim I said, that police are too scared to go into certain areas LMFAO. You can't even debate properly, instead resort to twisting what people say because you lack any real counter arguments, how pathetic.
You probably vote Greens judging by your attitude/behavior.

Try go through the areas heavily populated by Middle Easterners/Muslims.
See how safe you feel.
Unless you are an Army Commando or SAS, if you say to me you feel safe, you're full of ####.
I have some Turkish Australian friends who say it's not safe in those areas, unless you grew up with those guys, and even then, you're on edge.
Regular police in a regular area don't wear bullet proof vests on patrol. Sydney's a whole different kettle of fish though, especially certain areas, BECAUSE of the Middle Eastern/Muslim population, their gangs, and terrorism links.

Are there any other ethnic communities which have had specialist task forces that are heavily armed and look like special forces soldiers created to deal with them? Just one community has....it's even named after a region of the world where they all come from..it's called the Middle Eastern Organized Crime task force...MEOC for short..

Another little fact of life for you...you do know that Middle Eastern organized crime is now linked directly with islamic terrorism around the world? You do know that the two, Muslim/Middle Eastern organized crime groups and Islamic terror groups have not only crossed paths but have basically merged operationally?
You do know that Hezbolah isn't just a terror group now, they are also an organized crime group that even imports coc aine into the United States of America, and is estimated to earn over a billion dollars from organized criminal activities alone?


You'd have to have been living under a rock in a remote part of central Australia to not be aware of what things are really like and whats been going on.

Unless you are prepared to educate your self don't talk to me anymore, because it's just going to get more embarrassing for you lol.

a reply to: mortex

Ah focusing on that one little thing are ya? Can't argue with the rest of what I said so focus on something I haven't given much attention to? LMFAO, you're beaten, give up and go away, find another topic to post in.

You make a claim back it up....

I never even what you claim I said, that police are too scared to go into certain areas LMFAO. You can't even debate properly, instead resort to twisting what people say because you lack any real counter arguments, how pathetic.

Well this is a statement you made yesterday on the page before this one...and I quote.

We all know about the Lebanese problem and other similar groups that existed in Sydney and still does. There’s areas that are unsafe even for law enforcement. That’s why there’s heavily armed special police units now who look nothing short of special forces in blue, who deal with these bastards. Especially in Sydney.

So you were saying ?

Reality is you are a liar, I'm not even sure you know what a debate is.

Unless you are prepared to educate your self don't talk to me anymore, because it's just going to get more embarrassing for you lol.

I don't really want to talk to you buddy, you lie and deflect and them claim a win, that's pretty pathetic.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: djz3ro
This is idiotic, SUV's clearly were not designed to hurt people, unlike Guns, the only reason Guns even exist is to hurt and kill.

Deny ignorance indeed....

This is idiotic since the reason something is created is irrelevant to the intention of the individual using it. Two-liter bottles were intended to contain liquids for sale--I might use a two-liter bottle to create a fish trap while camping. You know, I purchased two .75" oak dowels at Home Depot, cut them down to 26"-long sections, and use them for practicing my Eskrima martial arts. Did you know that my wife uses freezer paper in order to cut out stencils and use them to create shirts (when you iron it onto the shirt, the wax holds it tight to the surface so you can apply the paint/dye). Sometimes I use my wheelbarrow as a roller-coaster car for my 4-year-old daughter.

Point being, intended use during manufacturing means nothing when the individual uses it for a different purpose.

What do you tell the manufacturer of competition pistols that are designed for competition use only and not defensive weapons or "to hurt and kill"...does that make them not real guns, or mean that they cannot be used to kill or hurt?

Deny ignorance, indeed....

Everything you sau is true, it doesn't change the fact that the SUV comment existed for one purpose, someone from the Gun Nut Collective making an ironic post to try and make a pointt and that the only reason Guns exist is to hurt and kill...

I think the end of both out last posts should be instructed here...