I'd Guess maybe 5 Percent of those who watch the NFL stand for the Anthem. The hypocrisy is HUGE

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Could someone show me the US law that requires someone to stand indoors during the playing of the national anthem?

Does that indicate it is required by law if outdoors?

a reply to: ColoradoJens

Do you stand and take off your hat every time there is a funeral procession while in your home, or do you do it when you come in contact with one?

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: seeker1963

The difference is I don't try to get the other team fired when my team loses, I accept the loss and move on.

A piece of cloth is a piece of cloth, it only has the power that you choose to give it. Not everyone chooses to let an inanimate object have power over them. I'm my own person with my own values, I don't let a piece of fabric dictate my values for me.

God, if a conservative said that about the LGBT rainbow flag, the snowflakes would have to find a safe place for some hot cocoa and coloring books.

So no for you too?

No, I don't kneel like a disrespectful jag off.

If they only realized kneeling is a form of SUBMISSION? roflmao Can't make this crap up! Who are they submitting too?

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

They'd probably be too drunk to care.

Perhaps. But if you haven’t done it, give it a try. I know that you can get the whole pub going.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
When it plays before a game, and I'm on that station... yes, I actually do stand. Hand over heart. Singing the song. And I'm teaching my son the same.

So, now what hmmm?

Now you're a rare bird.

Yeah, we do.

I come by it honestly. I was an athlete with two grandfathers who were WWII vets, but it carries on.

There are a lot of things you just do in your life that you don't broadcast like laying flowers on the graves of your ancestors on Memorial Day instead of simply BBQing. This is one of them.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Well of course, the military is employed by the state and what the state says goes.

There are no rules except for in schools or in the military (both ran by the state coincidentally), outside of those two places there are guidelines but no rules.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: DBCowboy

No. Fake outrage is the point of this thread.

Oh.

Okay then.

Who get to determine if my outrage is fake? I really want to know because I might want to get outraged later and I want to get prior approval.

a reply to: seeker1963

Not a flag, that's for sure!

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: DBCowboy

Well of course, the military is employed by the state and what the state says goes.

There are no rules except for in schools or in the military (both ran by the state coincidentally), outside of those two places there are guidelines but no rules.

So you are an anarchist?

originally posted by: ColoradoJens
a reply to: ketsuko

My point has nothing to do with the Anthem but the absurdity of those calling for the heads of NFL players when those creaming loudest are not even standing themselves.

A truly unfortunate typo... but regardless, there seems to be an even greater absurdity in expecting behavior in a stadium to me equivalent to behavior inside a house watching something on TV.

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: seeker1963

The difference is I don't try to get the other team fired when my team loses, I accept the loss and move on.

A piece of cloth is a piece of cloth, it only has the power that you choose to give it. Not everyone chooses to let an inanimate object have power over them. I'm my own person with my own values, I don't let a piece of fabric dictate my values for me.

God, if a conservative said that about the LGBT rainbow flag, the snowflakes would have to find a safe place for some hot cocoa and coloring books.

So no for you too?

No, I don't kneel like a disrespectful jag off.

If they only realized kneeling is a form of SUBMISSION? roflmao Can't make this crap up! Who are they submitting too?

Yea, I don't get it either, who the hell is proud of submitting?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Anacreon in heaven is actually a pretty fascinating song. Francis Scott key may have wrote the lyrics for the anthem but the tune sure wasn't original luxembourg used the tune briefly for their national anthem as well.

Conservative and liberal snowflakes.... I think I have an idea for a new cereal. I need to patent that #.

originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Could someone show me the US law that requires someone to stand indoors during the playing of the national anthem?

Does that indicate it is required by law if outdoors?

Yeah, I googled the crap out of it and found nothing on indoors except for there being no rules.

Outdoors, there is.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Who get to determine if my outrage is fake? I really want to know because I might want to get outraged later and I want to get prior approval.

If you're able to rise up out of your ass-cratered Lay-Z-Boy and kick the television it's real outrage. If you have to call Mrs. DB over to do it for you than it's only fake outrage.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: seeker1963

Not a flag, that's for sure!

Kneeling is a form of submission. Who are they kneeling in submission too? We get it, you hate the country, you hate the flag, you hate your freedom......I only kneeled while going to church. So who they kneeling in submission too?

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: seeker1963

The difference is I don't try to get the other team fired when my team loses, I accept the loss and move on.

A piece of cloth is a piece of cloth, it only has the power that you choose to give it. Not everyone chooses to let an inanimate object have power over them. I'm my own person with my own values, I don't let a piece of fabric dictate my values for me.

God, if a conservative said that about the LGBT rainbow flag, the snowflakes would have to find a safe place for some hot cocoa and coloring books.

So no for you too?

No, I don't kneel like a disrespectful jag off.

If they only realized kneeling is a form of SUBMISSION? roflmao Can't make this crap up! Who are they submitting too?

I've been wondering about that myself. Not the submission part mind you, but it is a common practice to kneel when a fellow athlete is injured and has to be helped off the field. All the other athletes will kneel in respect until he or she can get off the field, either under their own power or with help.

And how about that Tim Tebow, eh?

Just wierd.

a reply to: seeker1963

No, I'm my own person. I don't try to force others to kneel or stand, I just let people be who they are and do as they please as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: DBCowboy

No. Fake outrage is the point of this thread.

Oh.

Okay then.

Who get to determine if my outrage is fake? I really want to know because I might want to get outraged later and I want to get prior approval.

That would be the person who expresses the fake outrage about the kneeling unless the person does the very thing he or she thinks the players are supposed to be doing, at their homes or bars.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Nyiah

Because the are in public with a large group of their fellow citizens.

But a packed sports bar is not a large group of their fellow citizens and thus no ritual warranted.

You folks make zero sense, it;s obvious flag & anthem etiquette necessity is HIGHLY subjective to you. You just won't admit it.

But it is etiquette. That’s the point, no matter what anyone thinks of the flag.

Would you take your shoes off at the Taj Mahal, even though you weren’t Muslim nor Indian?

It is selectively applied etiquette. If it's not necessary for a packed bar to display the etiquette, then you must concede it's not necessary elsewhere large groups of citizens have congregated. You are arguing that the etiquette is unconditional while giving solid examples that it is indeed conditional.
Make up your mind.

If others in the bar started standing and singing the national anthem, you’d be a buzz kill and not take part? What a buzz-kill.

You've avoided what I've pointed out quite well, kudos to the sidestepping attempt. You argue people must do so in a group setting, but bars don't count. If bars do not count, then why should anyone participate and why would anyone care if I did or didn't?

I also said it was etiquette and civic custom, something you’ve sidestepped.

But you said bars & the like don't count because:

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ColoradoJens

It’s about doing it with others. The national anthem, and standing for it, is the last customary gesture that binds all the people of the country together. It’s simple etiquette.

So why don't people do it together at bars and homes?

Because they are not where the anthem is being played.

By your own admission, they're not where it's being played, so etiquette and civic customs are completely conditional. Or, in plain English, optional.