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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Lagomorphe
In times of collusions it's probably better to have witnesses around.
Re-read the OP in case of doubt.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Metallicus
Oh maybe by being awake.
When did you decide they were not.
Research would help dude. They are not our friends and they will use trump like a cheap whore.
They only want what's best for Putin . He's a murderer. Not some stupid conspiracy theory like that Clinton #.
This is real.
Russia is poor and desperate and they benefit from a USA that is isolated.
They benefit from our stripped down to nothing state department.
They want to expand and a weakened NATO alliance is Christmas to them.
Time to leave the conspiracy theory world dude. The real world is a much scarier place.
originally posted by: theworldisnotenough
OK, you may claim that the American military's rules against fraternizing with the enemy do not apply to the Commander-in-Chief of our armed forces, but those rules were implemented for very valid reasons which acknowledge that such fraternization is certainly not in the best interests of our country... and this concept certainly should apply to the dealings of our very shady, sketchy President with very shady, sketchy Russian officials and nationals.
It has very recently come out that President Donald Trump had a one-hour private meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin during the G20 with only one other person present, a Russia supplied translator.
This could not possibly be considered a meeting of diplomacy because:
1.) the White House initially did not disclose this meeting;
2.) there was no "read-out" by any representative of our government briefing the world on what transpired in this meeting;
3.) The Donald, by his pretty established pattern of behavior toward things of a Russian nature, had a private meeting right in the Oval Office with Russian big wigs which excluded the American press;
4.) The Donald, at that Oval Office meeting, like a sieve and as freely as uncontrolled, explosive diarrhea blurted out top-secret intelligence information to those Russian officials;
5.) The Donald, his family and cronies have been far less than forthcoming regarding their relationships and meetings with Russians while indulging in lies, lies, and more lies on top of lies plus total disregard for proper disclosure on governmental forms as required by law under penalty of criminal law.
Former Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Wendy Sherman was interviewed on MSNBC last night. Among other dire warnings about this fraternization, Ms. Sherman said of the private meeting between Trump and Putin: “It’s absolutely worrying... but a one-hour meeting with only one translator??? ... grave security concerns...” Himmmm, "grave security concerns," this on just the issue of there being only one Russian translator present.
Dear Trumpists: don’t you see where this is leading? If you had any hopes of anything positive coming out of a Trump administration, don’t you see at this late date that the only thing that you can expect to come from The Donald is to be screwed over as have so many others been in The Donald’s past?
originally posted by: RazorV66
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Metallicus
Oh maybe by being awake.
When did you decide they were not.
Research would help dude. They are not our friends and they will use trump like a cheap whore.
They only want what's best for Putin . He's a murderer. Not some stupid conspiracy theory like that Clinton #.
This is real.
Russia is poor and desperate and they benefit from a USA that is isolated.
They benefit from our stripped down to nothing state department.
They want to expand and a weakened NATO alliance is Christmas to them.
Time to leave the conspiracy theory world dude. The real world is a much scarier place.
Time to leave the conspiracy theory world you tell him eh Silly?...that statement from you is laughable and sad at the same time.
You and the OP must visit the same tinfoil hat maker on a regular basis.
Where do you come up with these crackpot Russian theories?
What research have you done to come to these conclusions?
no concern like this at all when Obama made deals with Iran?
originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: theworldisnotenough
How exactly did you decide that Putin and Russia are the 'enemy'?
What metric are you using?
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Sillyolme
So then, why was there no concern like this at all when Obama made deals with Iran? It would seem to me that they are equally "America's Enemy" by every measure considering they continue to chant "Death to America" and similar rhetoric quite openly.
And yet, there was very little scrutiny at all over that deal or any of the diplomacy conducted at any level. Ben Rhodes openly *bragged* about lying to press and public on how they dealt with Iran, and *no one* cared the way they scrutinize every tiny twitch of an eyelid now.
The double standard and hypocrisy are glaringly obvious and maybe that's why so few of us care.
originally posted by: theworldisnotenough
originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: theworldisnotenough
How exactly did you decide that Putin and Russia are the 'enemy'?
What metric are you using?
What should not escape your attention and consideration is how this seeming unholy relationship between Trump and Putin will affect the morale of the rank and file of the U.S. military.
Even the commissioned officers up the chain of command must be scratching their heads wondering, in light of fraternization between Trump and Putin, "What the L am I doing here?"
Anybody who chooses to join the all-volunteer military under these circumstances will have to be an idiot.
originally posted by: angeldoll
originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: theworldisnotenough
How exactly did you decide that Putin and Russia are the 'enemy'?
What metric are you using?
I take if from that remark, you do not believe Putin and the Russians manipulated our election? You don't believe our Intelligence communities?
originally posted by: theworldisnotenough
I just heard on T.V. that anything discussed for one-hour by Trump and Putin at that previously undisclosed meeting would be considered official U.S. government policy.
If that is the case, and no other U.S. government official was present at that meeting to take notes, then did Trump, yet again, violate the Presidential Records Act? He's already being sued for violating that law because of his deletion of Twitter tweets (and for some other things, I think).
originally posted by: theworldisnotenough
I just heard on T.V. that anything discussed for one-hour by Trump and Putin at that previously undisclosed meeting would be considered official U.S. government policy.
If that is the case, and no other U.S. government official was present at that meeting to take notes, then did Trump, yet again, violate the Presidential Records Act? He's already being sued for violating that law because of his deletion of Twitter tweets (and for some other things, I think).
originally posted by: angeldoll
Seems like a few of you need to make a thread about Obama. This thread is about your incumbent.