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originally posted by: SeekingAlpha
Whether Clinton or Trump won the election, I'm sorry to say that there is nothing realistically we can do to save the uneducated working class; regardless of race. When I work in the midwest on projects, I hired both non-skilled and skilled employees. The non-skilled employees were generally not very productive. They did not work that hard, they always called in sick to go hunting, and wanted high pay for doing something that frankly a robot can do. Some of them learned HR rules and played the game where they became very disruptive for moral on a project team.
My heart really goes out to these people because they don't have an option and are being left behind. But, they aren't doing anything to improve their position in life so hanging their hopes on a person who will not be able to deliver for them is truly going to be very disappointing for these working class people.
originally posted by: Aazadan
originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
America is in bad Shape today Because the Education System has Failed Us . High Skilled Tech Jobs need Workers Trained in the Sciences to Fill them.
I'm in school for a high skilled tech job. It takes a lot of work and there's not much help available. There's a reason that 9 out of 10 people with CS degrees can't find work, even though the demand for the degree has never been higher. Lots of people just don't learn what they need to learn. There's also a problem on the industry side, everyone wants to hire 10's (the rockstars) for work that 3's (the "unskilled") can do and the industry itself has totally failed on bringing people in and training them. It has been fully offloaded to the schools because it's less risk.
originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Aazadan
I have DONE my time in too many clean rooms assembling hard drives and chips to buy that, A MONKEY could do that assembly work IT'S BORING as HELL that IS the challenge to it.
Corporate America DOESN'T value employees who get the job done any more,THEY want TOTALLY optimal and overtrained employees for part time work who CONFORM to the model for predictability and profit.
NOW they will have nationalism to contend with.
Things have changed.
originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
I am sorry to hear that . If the Job Market Improves under a Trump Administration , and it should in the next 2 years , the Demand for Skilled Workers must increase to the point of being more Inclusive for all Levels of Abilities .
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: SeekingAlpha
You say when you are abroad the construction teams are a hundred per cent committed etc. The fact is that they pretend to be committed. Their perceived working ethic is paid for by money. They would rather do an eight hour day, get a fair pay, and have a life. Not have to compete like a load of idiots, for very few jobs, get burnt out by forty, and be replaced for some one younger who thinks they are indestructible. This crap has gone on for to long.
originally posted by: corvuscorrax
Some of us get left behind it can't be helped. You think every Chinese person has amazing work ethic? You only see the ones that do. The lazy underachieving ones are hiding in basements like me, wondering what drugs people are taking that make them want to work so damn much.
Or to put that in hourly terms 58,233 lost man hours.
CS these days is largely in the artisan days
originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: SeekingAlpha
It takes a lot to work and gain skills. There's also more family contribution towards learning in other countries. I remember a couple years ago here a story was posted which showed a Chinese family, their son had just become a doctor and it was mentioned that the parents sat down and did homework with their son every single night until the day he graduated. The comments ridiculed the family for coddling the child, but that's precisely what lets people learn.
In the US we have less involvement and basically tell children to learn it on their own.
Another difference I've found is that other nations tend to train people more narrowly, while the US isn't nearly as broad as I think we should be, we teach much more broad knowledge and accordingly when writing job requirements we require that broad knowledge base when overseas jobs may not have those requirements.
originally posted by: kitzik
Not man hours, but computer hours. A big difference.
Man, this era is over like 20 years ago lol. CS using a lot of templates.
originally posted by: SeekingAlpha
To a certain extent, I agree with you regarding learning styles. But here is the issue. An average US born citizen that has better than average intelligence will not want to get down into the nitty gritty details. What he wants to do is to move up into management quickly so that he can manage others.
originally posted by: loveguy
my idea when it comes to quality of life?
is not to give someone i do not love more time than i would my own family, on an hourly basis.
i graduated with a class of engineers, but i have loved-ones who matter more to me than a stupid paycheck.
all for one and one for all actually has a basis in reality...
you don't have to pet dogs that you know will bite you, you can leave them be, yes, i know, they still bite; leave them be.
why compromise my innocence/quality of life for anything?
I'm sorry to say that there is nothing realistically we can do to save the uneducated working class