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The term sulfate aerosols is used for a suspension of fine solid particles of a sulfate or tiny droplets of a solution of a sulfate or of sulfuric acid (which is not technically a sulfate). They are produced by chemical reactions in the atmosphere from gaseous precursors (with the exception of sea salt sulfate and gypsum dust particles). The two main sulfuric acid precursors are sulfur dioxide (SO2) from anthropogenic sources and volcanoes, and dimethyl sulfide (DMS) from biogenic sources, especially marine plankton. These aerosols can cause a cooling effect on earth.
However the UNFCCC has noted that sulfate aerosols remain in the atmosphere for only a short amount of time in comparison to other greenhouse gases, and therefore their cooling is localized and temporary. Other side effects of sulfate aerosols in the environment include poor air quality.
originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
a reply to: network dude
Forgive me, but as this Op discussed Sulfide Aerosols at high altitudes I was wondering if anyone here could give me a brief rundown of the chemical composition of these proposed substances, because while Chemistry was never my strongest suit and taking into effect what we know of how Venus turned out because of the Greenhouse Effect and it....ya know....is still raining SULFUR onto the lifeless baked molten planetary remains as we speak....I just want to make sure we aren't inadvertently buying into some Alien Trickster pseudo-science "cure all" when in reality it's just a ploy to kill off the Dominant Life on Earth to make way for their little mining operations and sneaky Terraforming nonsense.
Not to mention the CFC aerosols that got us started on this Ozone Hole mess back in the late 80's....sorry, showing my age here.
Because from what I remember about large scale mass volcanic eruptions (back when Earth was still relatively young) and large scale meteor impact clouds actually WARMING THE HABITABLE LIFE-ZONE UNDER THEM (another variation of Greenhouse Gases just lower down than the Stratosphere) and causing great distress to the larger non-aquatic and non-microbial life.
We already lost Venus and Mars to "hit or miss science", so call me a Cautionary Skeptic right now.
Oh hey, wow....lookie there...next level chemtrails.
Sorry, I've been walking in 119 degree heat during the summers the past decade or so and I think I baked my brain.
I've got some ground level options via emissions, move to solar and wind energies, less dependence of fossil fuels, synthetic fuels and engineered engines capable of running on 'em to help mediate the Habitable Zone to a cooler temperature....imagine cool breezes and more oxygen and nitrogen and other natural trace gases mixtures and less carbon monoxide, but still enough CO2 for trees and planet life and less concrete urban sprawl....build UP not OUT...I'll shut up because like I said....Chemistry wasn't my strongest subject.
Hit me up if you have insight into my post though, I'd love an actual discussion on this and viable alternatives should this sulfide thing actually turn out to be nothing more than something pulled out of the ass-end of a faulty computer theoretical modeling system by grad thesis flunkies*.
NOTE : *no offense to grad thesis flunkies
originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
a reply to: mrthumpy
ETA: Ah, '91....I was unaware of it being that recent.
originally posted by: Starling
a reply to: network dude
So why in the world did you start a thread just to get people all riled up about a subject you brought up for no reason at all? Do you still think people are so stupid as to not notice what's going on in our skies, around the world no less?
Is SAI the new buzz word for SRM/chemtrails, like Isis was the new buzz word for Al Qaeda?
Yes I heard about the new SAI term, explained by the jolly head of CIA, with reference to volcanic eruptions, as if that explains it all away as a 'natural phenomenon'. How goofy do you people think we are?
Try a new one on us. See if that deflects our attention from your goddamn $10 billion p/year project to kill populations.
Here is the plan. Customize several Gulfstream business jets with military engines and with equipment to produce and disperse fine droplets of sulfuric acid. Fly the jets up around 20 kilometers—significantly higher than the cruising altitude for a commercial jetliner but still well within their range. At that altitude in the tropics, the aircraft are in the lower stratosphere. The planes spray the sulfuric acid, carefully controlling the rate of its release. The sulfur combines with water vapor to form sulfate aerosols, fine particles less than a micrometer in diameter. These get swept upward by natural wind patterns and are dispersed over the globe, including the poles. Once spread across the stratosphere, the aerosols will reflect about 1 percent of the sunlight hitting Earth back into space. Increasing what scientists call the planet’s albedo, or reflective power, will partially offset the warming effects caused by rising levels of greenhouse gases.
originally posted by: riley
a reply to: network dude
I never used to believe in them until they were real above my house. Normal contrails do NOT stay bellowing in the air for an hour. Normal contrails don't coincidentally make everyone sick with a strange flu that doesn't seem to respond like it should.
It is not the flu. They ARE either culling us or trying to at least sabotage our immune systems for when they decided to accidentally release something more deadly.
Shearing the sheep before slaughtering them.
originally posted by: riley
a reply to: network dude
I never used to believe in them until they were real above my house. Normal contrails do NOT stay bellowing in the air for an hour.
Normal contrails don't coincidentally make everyone sick with a strange flu that doesn't seem to respond like it should.
It is not the flu. They ARE either culling us or trying to at least sabotage our immune systems for when they decided to accidentally release something more deadly.
Shearing the sheep before slaughtering them.
originally posted by: IronNuts
a reply to: payt69
Did you see my first post in this thread? The quoted material has not been addressed. So why don't you guys do the research and tell me why the information that I have provided is not creditable? If a transcontinental flight could switch to a cheaper fuel at altitude do you think they might? Aircraft have multiple fuel bladders in the wings.
Also I am very informed in meteorology and aircraft, I have actual done ground school. I am aware of what a contrail is and consist of, hint, it does contain sulphur. All water particulates need to nucleate on a particulate before a cloud can start to form. If weather is of interest, then check out micro-burst and how baseball sized hail is formed.
Cheers, Nuts
The ability of stratospheric sulfate aerosols to create a global dimming effect has made them a possible candidate for use in solar radiation management climate engineering projects[1] to limit the effect and impact of climate change due to rising levels of greenhouse gases.[2] Delivery of precursor sulfide gases such as sulfuric acid,[3] hydrogen sulfide (H2S) or sulfur dioxide (SO2) by artillery, aircraft[4] and balloons has been proposed.[5] It presently appears that this proposed method could counter most climatic changes, take effect rapidly, have very low direct implementation costs, and be reversible in its direct climatic effects.
originally posted by: IronNuts
a reply to: payt69
Did you see my first post in this thread? The quoted material has not been addressed. So why don't you guys do the research and tell me why the information that I have provided is not creditable? If a transcontinental flight could switch to a cheaper fuel at altitude do you think they might? Aircraft have multiple fuel bladders in the wings.
Also I am very informed in meteorology and aircraft, I have actual done ground school. I am aware of what a contrail is and consist of, hint, it does contain sulphur. All water particulates need to nucleate on a particulate before a cloud can start to form. If weather is of interest, then check out micro-burst and how baseball sized hail is formed.
Cheers, Nuts
The required altitude to enter the stratosphere is the height of the tropopause, which varies from 11 km (6.8 miles/36,000 feet) at the poles to 17 km (11 miles/58,000 feet) at the equator.
How do you propose I do this on a forum. I can't mime it for you, I am going to have to use words.
As for your expertise on contrails, I'm more of a don't TELL me you know all about it, but SHOW me.
Yes I understand dust and other particulates are what are naturally there. As you mentioned the main reason a contrail forms is because it instantly nucleates to the particulates in the spent aircraft fuel. Also what I referenced was a proposal but usually that means that some thought has gone into the matter. When a bill is going to be passed it is a proposal, does that mean it's all fictional prior?
But those nuclei are already abundantly present in ambient air.
The chemtrail theory is that any trail lasting longer then a few minutes MUST be a chemtrail since contrails cannot persist.
So yes it's possible, but is it happening?