The Panama Papers

a reply to: HolgerTheDane2

Indeed, always read between the lines and pay attention to what these people are NOT saying.
It's like the old torture scandal, where our elected were using language such as "I did not know at the time this happened that this was happening" - notice they didn't say they didn't know before it happened, or after it happened, just that they didn't know WHILE it was happening. Or, the lovely phrase of "legal framework" often used when talking about spying and holding agencies accountable - notice they never refer to any actual laws, because the "legal framework" is nothing more than asking a judge whether they think they could get away with it, it doesn't need to be legal they just need to claim that there was a legal "framework" there which they used.

These people are forever covering their own backsides.

originally posted by: HolgerTheDane2
One of the interesting things in all this is the "damage control". Be very alert to that.

Another great example of that has just turned up:

David Cameron does not hold any shares in Blairmore Holdings, the Panamanian company his late father Ian (pictured with his wife Mary) helped set up in 1982, Downing Street sources have told the BBC

Notice it says nothing about whether he did hold shares in it. A proper journalist would have asked whether he had EVER held shares in it, and if so when those shares became no longer his.

This really pi**es me off, a suspicious person might think the BBC wants to go easy on Cameron and isn't doing their job properly deliberately.

I predict that Cameron sold his shares to his wife within hours of this scandal breaking. Any journalist worth their salt would have confirmed whether this was the case through appropriate questions.

a reply to: Rocker2013

The papers were leaked then filtered.

The Centre for Public Integrity is currently filtering them, sorry I mean investigating them.

Do you know who funds this centre? Obviously not.

www.publicintegrity.org...

Rockefellers and Soros among others.

Why are these people allowed to view bits the public are not?

It's not paranoia it's called experience and common sense. I know how the media works. Do you honestly believe the names revealed are 'the world's elite' as the media keep telling us?

Do you trust the corporations such as BBC, Guardian, CPI? Do you trust the investors in CPI?

You need to ask yourself the above questions and stop following the crowd.

a reply to: and14263

erm according to themselves these guys broke it.
i trust the guardian a helluva lot more than murdochs empire.
the bbc have pretty much ignored it.
think tanks are generally funded by one sphere of influence, the cpi being funded by right wingers rockefellers (republicans), soros (funds anti communist movements globally) and kellogg (corn flakes are evil) is no surprise, but they didn't break the story.
lefties did, and their vetting it too, hence the guardians expose on tory donors involved.

a reply to: stinkelbaum

i trust the guardian a helluva lot more than murdochs empire.

That's your judgement call.

I respect it but disagree.

think tanks are generally funded by one sphere of influence, the cpi being funded by right wingers rockefellers (republicans), soros (funds anti communist movements globally) and kellogg (corn flakes are evil) is no surprise, but they didn't break the story.

I didn't say they broke the story. But I did say they are filtering it before it gets to the public. The German newspaper took the papers to the CPI for 'help'.

Look, it's up to you to believe what you want. I cannot influence your mind when the MSM have the power they do. I'm merely a paranoid internet forum poster.

originally posted by: and14263
The papers were leaked then filtered.
The Centre for Public Integrity is currently filtering them, sorry I mean investigating them.

Proof of your claims please.
When you're ready.
In actual fact, if you knew ANYTHING about this you would know that it was leaked to a GERMAN media company, who then shared it with international partners.
And no, they couldn't have possibly sifted through that massive amount of data before sending it out to all their media partners, this would have taken years to achieve.

originally posted by: and14263
Do you know who funds this centre? Obviously not.

www.publicintegrity.org...

Rockefellers and Soros among others.

And you have a paranoid delusional loathing of Soros why exactly? Just because he's rich?

Soros is a well known supporter of progressive and liberal political causes.[12] Between 1979 and 2015 Soros donated more than $11 billion to various philanthropic causes.

And please tell me how you imagine all those many contributors and supporters are "in on it".
As usual, the conspiracy needs to become ever more elaborate and ever more bizarre in order to hold water.
Carry on with your conspiracy nonsense, in a month you'll be claiming they can bend time and space in order to be able to make your conspiracy function.

Seems to me this is all nothing more than the usual paranoia and suspicion without any foundation. The usual conspiracy theory bs where selected people are "evil", just because they are.

originally posted by: and14263
Why are these people allowed to view bits the public are not?

It's not paranoia it's called experience and common sense.

We are seeing it, it is being released.
Do you even understand HOW MUCH DATA is there?
Clearly you don't.
This is the BIGGEST leak the world has ever seen, if you think they could possibly make all of this public to the whole world instantly you don't know what you're talking about.

I'm done with this nonsense, there are members here who want a conspiracy in everything and when one is dropped right on their lap they look for a conspiracy behind the conspiracy to make that conspiracy a "false flag".

Again, a lot of people here need psychiatric help, all this unfounded and pointless suspicion of absolutely everything is NOT NORMAL.

originally posted by: stinkelbaum
the bbc have pretty much ignored it.

Nope.
The BBC has been running 24 hour updates on this story and sharing information as it breaks on a live page.
How is that "ignoring" it?

At this point im not suprised there are no U.S. citizens on the list. It would be detremental to business to cause economic instability to ones own safe haven.

This is more so of a hey come join us here in the U.S. because we don't get caught release more than anything.

originally posted by: and14263

I didn't say they broke the story. But I did say they are filtering it before it gets to the public. The German newspaper took the papers to the CPI for 'help'.

Okay, you're being deliberately disingenuous here, or just outright lying because you know the truth doesn't support your paranoias.
This data has been shared with more than 100 media organizations around the world. No one is "filtering" it, no one is "censoring" it - apart from China and Russia who are refusing to report this to their own populations.

You don't seem to understand how massive this data leak is. There is no single group or organization capable of going through all of this and "filtering" anything. It was released to a German media company, then shared internationally across all journalists and media.

originally posted by: and14263
Look, it's up to you to believe what you want. I cannot influence your mind when the MSM have the power they do. I'm merely a paranoid internet forum poster.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

originally posted by: AlongCamePaul
At this point im not suprised there are no U.S. citizens on the list. It would be detremental to business to cause economic instability to ones own safe haven.

This is more so of a hey come join us here in the U.S. because we don't get caught release more than anything.

1. We haven't even seen 5% of the data leaked yet. This is a massive leak that's going to take months, if not years, to fully investigate.

2. The US has its own tax havens within their borders. The wealthy in the US don't need to send their money offshore when they can just move it to another state to keep it out of the hands of the tax man.

3. This is not just about tax, this is about the potential for uncovering a massive ring of criminality covering everything from trafficking to bribery - and specifically abuse by those in positions of power.

a reply to: Rocker2013

That's how it happened. Sueddeutsche Zeitung contacted the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists. This consortium which receives biased funding will filter out the bits the important people do not want us to see.

We will never have access to the whole information, unfiltered.

There are many coverups which should come out in the media, many coverups which are well known within the media. Just talk directly to investigative journalists, as I do almost every day, and you will find the most unbelievable truths are discussed candidly.

If you believe entirely the information you are receiving and trust the investigative journalists to tell you the whole truth then that is completely up to you and I wish you well in the future.

EDIT:Just noticed you posted this:

No one is "filtering" it, no one is "censoring" it - apart from China and Russia who are refusing to report this to their own populations.

That is exactly what I believe and know to be the truth. It is being filtered and censored. You will ask for proof, that's fine, but obviously if proof were available this mass deception of a democracy we live in would have been broken before now.

Peace.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: humanityrising
The fact that ICIJ is Soros-funded is at the very least worth noting,

I keep seeing this suggested, but where is the evidence?
Is there any? Or is this just yet more bs from the paranoid who think their own shadow is a conspiracy?

This appears to show a connection all the way back to 1993. Specifically that in that year, USAID paid for Soros Foundation reps' trips to DC. It also note that Soros Foundation employees' salaries are paid with USAID funds. This was just from a quick google, I'm sure if one wanted to take the time to build a case, they could build a pretty damning one.

I don't know what its all leading up to but I am damn suspicious until some western names start popping up, especially now that we know there are 3000 US shell companies under Mossack Fonseca's umbrella.

Regarding the western media's penchant for making Putin the headline instead of the scandal itself - that just seems predictable, not so much a conspiracy, necessarily. When does western media ever not use breaking news to further an already established talking point or paradigm.

I am keeping a close eye on this one and until I see some western names...........I am very skeptical.

Latest in Denmark is that the extreme right bastards in France (Front National) - and that has NOTHING to do with Putin - have a huge problem on their hands.

Jean-Marie Le Penn and advisers close to his beloved daughter Marine Le Penn figure prominently in the Panama Papers.

And since Marine has been almost frothing at the mouth against tax evasion and the Socialists and Republicans it seems to me that problems will arise.

Americans that do this kind of stuff typically don't operate under personal names, they use holding companies. So you've got to shake out all the little umbrellas to see what falls out. More or less, anyone researching will need to dig much deeper. However they may not be doing business in Panama, but more Bahamas, Caymans, Jamaica, etc. So they may not be caught in this one. For some reason they prefer hiding accounts in the Carribean countries and other small islands.

Thing is a lot of paperwork that would have served to point fingers at financial wrong-doing in the U.S. went up in smoke over a decade ago. Heck there's even a conspiracies forum on ATS about that particular event.

originally posted by: XxBman006xX
I am keeping a close eye on this one and until I see some western names...........I am very skeptical.

Plenty of western names. You should read loads of the postings made in this thread.

Also remember that there are plenty more of this type of facilitators.
Perhaps it is reasonable to think that different parts of the world uses different companies.

You could also read up on how Mossack Fonseca cleaned up i Nevada when they were threatened. Cleaned up as in removing papers and deleting digital records.

Check out this interesting video from James Corbett about the Panama papers. Something really stinks.

a reply to: Rocker2013

The reason why it's a massive distraction has already been posted numerous times in this thread.

a reply to: TheBandit795

James Corbett also mentioned an article in The Economist. It bears some interesting nuggets of information.

www.economist.com...

originally posted by: HolgerTheDane2

originally posted by: XxBman006xX
I am keeping a close eye on this one and until I see some western names...........I am very skeptical.

Plenty of western names. You should read loads of the postings made in this thread.

Also remember that there are plenty more of this type of facilitators.
Perhaps it is reasonable to think that different parts of the world uses different companies.

You could also read up on how Mossack Fonseca cleaned up i Nevada when they were threatened. Cleaned up as in removing papers and deleting digital records.

Lol. Unbelievable.

370+ journalists from 75 countries have named over 200,000 individuals and people are claiming "conspiracy," because it doesn't have MURKA written all over it.

You folks do realize that there is still more to be released, yeah? And WOW - some of you folks have read over 11 million documents in mere days and come to the conclusion that it is a hoax?

People calling this a shill campaign from "the establishment," LOLOLOLOLOL.

Care to provide ANY sort of proof to back these extraordinary claims up?