Here's Why so Many People Like Bernie

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: Imightknow

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: olaru12
This thread exemplifies perfectly the absolute fear Bernie generates. I don't think the right can generate eough BS to stem the Sanders momentum.

Apparently the right has written Hillary off. This just shows the power Bernie "could" have.

I FEAR Bernie Sanders. Extremely. Fully admit it.

Then perhaps the right wing needs a more appealing message than Rushe's BS fear mongering!!

I agree, I wish that there was a GOP candidate worth voting for, but they are all either crazy, attached to religion or just plain dumb.

I have looked at Kasich as a fallback, but with his positive debating style he keeps getting 'Trumped' in the media. He really seems to be the most moderate of the GOP.

I looked at Webb as a fallback, but with his responsible approach to issues he kept getting 'Berned' by his own party. He really seemed to be the most moderate of the Democrats.

a reply to: Imightknow

I've said the same thing myself, but no in so many words! The only two candidates who aren't bought are Trump and Sanders and that's why they're so popular. Even the MSM reports that people are supporting them because everyone is sick of politicians and the status quo.

No matter who wins this race the political winds have changed, now the question is, how long will it last?

a reply to: onequestion

What are you going to do about the big multi nationals who limit income potential by putting small businesses out of business and also in turn limit available disposable income in order for local communities to even consider spending on small businesses?

What do you mean 'what am I going to do' ?

I am not running for potus nor would I ever.

I have too much self respect for myself and the people of this country than to ever go to that cess pit in DC.

If you have a problem with DC.

People need to look first in the mirror.

Washington DC is a reflection of we the people, and it sure as hell ain't a pretty picture.

We as a people are corrupt. So by extension Washington DC is corrupt.

The first step in Changing Capitol Hill begins in the home. The head.

Heart doesn't enter in to it, as emotions should never dictate legislation.

As it is the most irrational thought 'people' have.

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: Imightknow

originally posted by: neo96
Ultimately people are free to vote for whoever you all want to.

But don't be suprised like Obama, People that vote Sanders will get a bad case of buyer's remorse.

Obama won because of ignorant voters who voted based on skin color and on not knowing the facts. Although I must say, his competition in 08 and 12 was embarrassing for this country.

His competition was the greatest chance of restoring some sort of liberty and honesty into our political system.

I.e. Ron Paul, yet he has wholeheartedly dismissed at nearly every turn - even here on ATS.

I would've loved to have had Ron Paul as POTUS, I didn't even mention him because he never stood a chance, mainly because the MSM wouldn't give him time of day. Wonder why eh?

a reply to: neo96

That was a great post.

People don't need to wait for an election to make a change.

Want to make government smaller? Stop relying on government.

Help people instead of waiting for some government agency to do it.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Imightknow

I've said the same thing myself, but no in so many words! The only two candidates who aren't bought are Trump and Sanders and that's why they're so popular. Even the MSM reports that people are supporting them because everyone is sick of politicians and the status quo.

No matter who wins this race the political winds have changed, now the question is, how long will it last?

I have hope that the political winds are changing for good! People are finally starting to see the power of big corporations and their influence on our politicians, and I think people have had enough!!

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: olaru12
This thread exemplifies perfectly the absolute fear Bernie generates. I don't think the right can generate eough BS to stem the Sanders momentum.

Apparently the right has written Hillary off. This just shows the power Bernie "could" have.

I FEAR Bernie Sanders. Extremely. Fully admit it.

Nothing to Fear. Just a guy that want's to change some things. Some good things.

Remember that People feared Obama. Not everything he did was great and he's certainly not the best president ever, but the country is in good shape. That fear was unfounded, just as the fear of sanders will be unfounded.

Bernie will make Obama look like an amateur.

There's LOADS to fear.

Seriously, there's not though. Obama didn't do anything to the country, Bush with the wars and patriot act, but other than that. Reagan giving weapons to Iran, but nothing catastrophic. Clinton, nothing too bad. Bush Sr...some new taxes, Carter, Ford. Sanders probably won't do anything that bad. Fear can be crippling. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best, but a man that lives in Fear is a man that isn't really alive.

You see it all the time here on ATS. People are afraid of this and that. I often wonder how they get out of bed in the morning. It will be okay. Trust me. I always recommend martial arts classes as a way for people to get over their fears. There's nothing better.

Fear is the most crippling suppressor! We have all faced challenges in our lives and we always manage to surmount them when we face it head on and don't run away. When one runs away...they are doomed to the gerbil's wheel until they find the courage to get off and say, 'enough!'

a reply to: CynConcepts

Fear is an amazing INDICATOR that something is a threat. Fear has gotten us to survive to the point that all our ancestors made it through alive so that we can all type on ATS on a COMPUTER.

What's crippling is pie in the sky, Unicorn and Rainbow beliefs that everything will be Utopian and fine.

We actually need more fear and less Rose Colored Glasses.

This isn't a game, this is real life.

a reply to: DBCowboy

There is nothing the state can 'give' people.

They can't give themselves.

And 99% of people wouldn't screw someone else over for a vote.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: olaru12
I'm voting for Bernie because i'm much more afraid of Right Wing fascism espoused by Rush, Savage and Beck than the
socialist-lite that Sanders brings.

Funny how Sanders sounds an aweful lot like THIS FASCIST.

That awkward moment when it's discovered Hitler didn't say that. This guy did.

Gregor Strasser

Gregor Strasser (May 31, 1892 – June 30, 1934) was a politician of the German Nazi Party (NSDAP). Gregor Strasser reorganized the whole NSDAP structure, both in its regional formation and its vertical management hierarchy. During the Nazi Party purge, also known as the Night of the Long Knives, Strasser was imprisoned and then assassinated on Hitler's personal order by the Berlin Gestapo on June 30, 1934. His assassins shot through a window into Strasser's cell, killing him.

Hitler was deeply jealous of Gregor Strasser. He was the one potential indeed actual rival within the party. He had made the Rhineland his fief. I remember during one tour through the Ruhr towns seeing Strasser's name plastered up against the wall of every railway underpass. He was obviously quite a figure in the land. Hitler looked away. There was no comment about "Strasser seems to be doing well", or any approving sign. November brought Reichstag elections again, but in spite of a frenzied campaign, the Nazis lost ground. Their representation was reduced to 196, and it was at this point that Schleicher became Chancellor, to exercise the power he had so long controlled from the wings. His plan was to split off the Strasser wing of the Nazi Party in a final effort to find a majority with the Weimar Socialists and Centre. The idea was by no means so ill-conceived and amidst the momentary demoralization and monetary confusion in the Nazi ranks, very nearly came off. With the failure came the final break between Hitler and Strasser, who, two years later, paid for this disloyalty with his head.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
a reply to: CynConcepts

Fear is an amazing INDICATOR that something is a threat. Fear has gotten us to survive to the point that all our ancestors made it through alive so that we can all type on ATS on a COMPUTER.

What's crippling is pie in the sky, Unicorn and Rainbow beliefs that everything will be Utopian and fine.

We actually need more fear and less Rose Colored Glasses.

This isn't a game, this is real life.

Interesting because I think there is more then enough already present to cause fear, problem is people are STILL oblivious to it. FDA approving drugs depending on how much they are paid to do so, regardless of the side effects is pretty scary. Monsanto getting all of their poison approved because of the money they spend on politicians and FDA/EPA regardless of the effect they have on human health is pretty scary. Going to war solely to generate more money for the 1% is pretty scary. The MSM only showing news that distract people from the real news is pretty scary.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
a reply to: CynConcepts

Fear is an amazing INDICATOR that something is a threat. Fear has gotten us to survive to the point that all our ancestors made it through alive so that we can all type on ATS on a COMPUTER.

What's crippling is pie in the sky, Unicorn and Rainbow beliefs that everything will be Utopian and fine.

We actually need more fear and less Rose Colored Glasses.

This isn't a game, this is real life.

Even Bernie has stated that his proposals cannot be accomplished just by him. I don't think most supporters of Bernie are voting for utopia but instead for change!

originally posted by: Imightknow

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
a reply to: CynConcepts

Fear is an amazing INDICATOR that something is a threat. Fear has gotten us to survive to the point that all our ancestors made it through alive so that we can all type on ATS on a COMPUTER.

What's crippling is pie in the sky, Unicorn and Rainbow beliefs that everything will be Utopian and fine.

We actually need more fear and less Rose Colored Glasses.

This isn't a game, this is real life.

Interesting because I think there is more then enough already present to cause fear, problem is people are STILL oblivious to it. FDA approving drugs depending on how much they are paid to do so, regardless of the side effects is pretty scary. Monsanto getting all of their poison approved because of the money they spend on politicians and FDA/EPA regardless of the effect they have on human health is pretty scary. Going to war solely to generate more money for the 1% is pretty scary. The MSM only showing news that distract people from the real news is pretty scary.

Agreed. And those are all rational fears too.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
I'll tell you exactly why so many people like Bernie Sanders. Because American culture has been riddled with socialist propaganda for many decades. It's literally everywhere you look and that's not even close to an exaggeration or paranoia. And American kids have grown up swimming in the stuff and not even knowing they were essentially being indoctrinated. And even before it was entirely obvious, they were there quietly doing their thing.

Sanders is popular because the American people did not take communist infiltration seriously. People who would have been outspoken about it allowed the mainstream socialists to bully them into silence with accusations of McCarthyism. Nevermind that McCarthy was actually right about almost everything.

Actually you have it backwards.
Americans have been riddled with the threat of the Communist and Socialist Scare since the Cold War.
The reason being is so the real rulers, the Major Corporations and Banks that control DC keep everyone in their place.
Having every able bodied person working helps depress wages not to mention illegal labor, outsourcing, offshoring, H-!B, L-1B and so on increase money going to the top.

Obamacare is Corporatism in action, just like the Bail Outs and QE Infinity are the products of Corporatism.
The Pharma and Insurance Industries would have had to take a paycut where everyone's wages are declining or stagnating in accordance with Free Market Principles, so they lobbied their puppet politicians to have everyone pitch in and prop them up.


Healthcare reform started with Corporate Lobbyists and Politicians. Not the Poor or those without Insurance


I would like for once for someone to show me where than has been an increase per person in welfare or other social programs. There have been increases in the programs budgets because of the disastrous trade polices pushed by corporate lobbyists, but the amount actually going to any one person in this country has decreased and in many cases some federal programs have been cut all together.

I googled the history of welfare in this country to see what is actually going on.

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...

The New Deal policies of President franklin d. roosevelt included new federal initiatives to help those in poverty. With millions of people unemployed during the 1930s economic depression, welfare assistance was beyond the financial resources of the states. Therefore, the federal government provided funds either directly to recipients or to the states for maintaining a minimum standard of living.

During the 1980s and 1990s, criticism of public welfare escalated dramatically. Some states began to experiment with programs that required welfare recipients to find work within a specified period of time, after which welfare benefits would cease. Since job training and Child Care are important components of such programs, proponents acknowledged that "workfare" programs save little money in the short term. They contended, however, that workfare would reduce welfare costs and move people away from government dependency over the long term.

These state efforts paved the way for radical changes in federal welfare law. On August 22, 1996, President bill clinton, a Democrat, signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (popularly known as the Welfare Reform Act), a bill passed by the Republican-controlled Congress. The act eliminated some federal welfare programs, placed permanent ceilings on the amount of federal funding for welfare, and gave each state a block grant of money to help run its own welfare programs.

And the most interesting part is, when some of the programs are cut or reduced, such as Food Stamps, a similar amount is increased to Corporate Subsidies to make up the loss to them.

originally posted by: CynConcepts
Even Bernie has stated that his proposals cannot be accomplished just by him. I don't think most supporters of Bernie are voting for utopia but instead for change!

Been there, done that, including Hope. Might remember that slogan from 2008?

Oh yeah, who could think of a worse president than this guy. So, so bad. Doesn't care about the people at all.

a reply to: Swills

That awkward moment when a person can't spell Nazi without the word.

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: neo96

That awkward moment when you realise that there's more than one type of Socialism, that the Nazis called themselves Socialists as a trick, and that labels don't mean everything.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
Oh yeah, who could think of a worse president than this guy. So, so bad. Doesn't care about the people at all.

Which was the DIRECT reason US troops went in to IRaq, and Afghanistan without sufficient body armor.

AND

Was the LEADING causation of the rise of PMC that are NOT accountable to congress.

Golf Clap for Sanders.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
Oh yeah, who could think of a worse president than this guy. So, so bad. Doesn't care about the people at all.

IMO, the last one to care about the people was JFK and looked what happened to him. Every POTUS since him knew what to expect if they didn't play the game they are supposed to play.