Here's Why so Many People Like Bernie

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

1) No, you posted a PDF of signatories from random places and Universities. With ROBERT REICH at the top.

Yeah, I mean, what do these economists know about economies anyway?

2) Government forced integration of an underclass INJECTED into the market, by decree of the STATE...is not "Capitialism"

When those immigrants become legal, they stop working at half the price of everyone else. When they stop working at half the price of everyone else, guess what happens? Corporations have no incentive to hire them. Less skills for the same expense. Guess who steps up to fill that plate? The American people.

Regardless, that's just a logic train. There's probably more significance behind it.

The signatures are in support of his bank/wallstreet policies by the way. It is possible his immigration ones are bad.
But you know what the lovely thing about Bernie Sanders is?
If his immigration policies are bad, and it is explained to him why that is so, he'll make them better.
Because he's for the people. Not for the puppeteers pulling the strings.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Grab the constitution, and leave the socialist.

From the God Father.

"That Constitution thing...it's already shredded....so let's shred it more!"

Derp

a reply to: neo96

So, how's that 4th amendment treating you?

Right, it barely exists any more.

Aren't people always complaining about how much the 2nd has been reduced?

Cruz and Trump are eyeballing that 1st amendment. No Muslims on their watch.

I really don't understand why you're bringing the document up, though. Nothing Sanders suggests is unconstitutional, in fact, in many ways he is more constitutional than presidents going back to Reagan.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Yeah, I mean, what do these economists know about economies anyway?

There are quite literally tens of THOUSANDS of Economists, undergrads, students, professor, post grad...you had a PDF of 170. LOL Consensus!!

BTW....Appeal to Popularity

2) Government forced integration of an underclass INJECTED into the market, by decree of the STATE...is not "Capitialism"

When those immigrants become legal, they stop working at half the price of everyone else. When they stop working at half the price of everyone else, guess what happens? Corporations have no incentive to hire them. Less skills for the same expense. Guess who steps up to fill that plate? The American people.

Regardless, that's just a logic train. There's probably more significance behind it.

And they can then LEGALLY collective bargain, enjoy free college FULLY paid, enjoy welfare (Federal), housing, services, Obamacare (remember risk pooling)...and compete for LOW WAGE jobs if they know half the english language.

Oh and funny you mention that Americans will float to the TOP in the scenario. Which means our new citizens (AKA THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT MASSES ADDED) will now have to look for relief WHERE???

That's right....take a wild guess.

The signatures are in support of his bank/wallstreet policies by the way. It is his possible his immigration one is bad.
But you know what the lovely thing about Bernie Sanders is?
If his immigration policy is bad, and it is explained to him why that is so, he'll make it better.

Interesting.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

The constitution treats me just fine.

It's idiotic politicians like Sanders that wipe their rears with it.

That's the problem.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Be honest.

I got you to ADMIT that Bernie's immigration policy would add an overnight BURDEN to the system....

You stated so yourself....then realized your OWN logical deduction is at odds with your OWN belief..

But then when you realized you jumped the shark, you moved the goal post and stated that Bernie would "listen to people on bad policy"

You went all in on a busted flush...

Just admit his immigration policy of full amnesty CAN NOT WORK.

Nothing Sanders suggests is unconstitutional, i

Nothing ?

Even bother to READ it ?

From:

Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The RIGHT of the people to be secure in their persons,houses,papers, and effects again UNREASONABLE searches and SEIZURES.

Money is paper.

Money is an EFFECT.

nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property,

And I hate to burst that demagogic bubble.

Rich people are PEOPLE.

The 4th and 14th amendments say everyone has those rights EXCEPT when it comes to the rich.

That's not how it works.

That piece of paper was created specifically to flip the middle finger to the mob.

And say NO.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Sanders entire platform is unconstitutional.

a reply to: neo96

Because socialism that Sanders represents is the same as the Nazis who sent his family members to concentration camps. Good job comparing the two because clearly they have a lot in common.

a reply to: Swills

Hmm let me see.

Going around telling the people all their problems is because of a specific minority, and wants to take all their possessions comprised of money,art objects etc, and told the people it was for their 'benefit'.

Only difference is I haven't see gas chambers yet.

a reply to: theantediluvian

No. Not as opposed to anyone. The thread is about Bernie. I was strictly talking about Bernie.

It is very common these days, when a person is disagreed with, he will get his feelings hurt, subsequently place the person who disagreed into whichever category he dislikes most, then there is no more listening because he has preconceived notions about every viewpoint, thought and idea the person has. It helps justify his hate and anger. Very common these days.

I've noticed you are continually attacking people for things they don't say.

a reply to: neo96

Of course you don't and that's because you're a conservative and will never agree with any other side but your own.

Good job pulling out the Nazi card.

Comparing Sanders to Nazis, a new low.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: neo96

Of course you don't and that's because you're a conservative and will never agree with any other side but your own.

This is the problem people, and is the reason why we as a nation might be doomed. We are taught to separate ourselves in so many ways. Separate into religions, into political parties, into social classes it's all a big game. TPTB know that they will always have an upper hand when the people keep arguing among themselves instead of coming together to deal with the real issues and threats. Ego is a powerful mechanism that we all have yet so very few know how to be an observer of it instead of letting it run them like puppets. Sad.

a reply to: Swills

A conservative is basically define as one that seeks to preserve the status quo.

Which Sanders wants to do.

So Sanders is the 'conservative'.

I personally want the whole steaming piles of hydrocholoro bullsnip called Washington DC burnt to the ground, and start completely over.

And put this country BACK to what it was originally created as.

A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

Sanders wants to continue corrupt ways with an even corrupter ideology.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

About that.

You're wrong.

So, we know his banking policy is a good idea.
What about the immigrants?

I though growth of population and immigration for the sake of a larger work force was a good old fashioned Capitalistic ideal? Yet if Sanders suggests it, it's somehow wrong.
Huh.

What's that got to do with flooding the market with unskilled labor via amnesty?

"Tell me...how do the "poor" and working class AMERICANS benefit from a full AMNESTY of upwards of 20 Million new citizens? "

a reply to: Imightknow
You're correct about congress.

Also... After the fact anyone who was awake to voting him in to stop corruption may go back to sleep. See the Anti war protestors after Obama was elected.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

About that.

You're wrong.

So, we know his banking policy is a good idea.
What about the immigrants?

I though growth of population and immigration for the sake of a larger work force was a good old fashioned Capitalistic ideal? Yet if Sanders suggests it, it's somehow wrong.
Huh.

What's that got to do with flooding the market with unskilled labor via amnesty?

"Tell me...how do the "poor" and working class AMERICANS benefit from a full AMNESTY of upwards of 20 Million new citizens? "

Government decree...flooding a MARKET with foreign nationals overnight is "Capitalism"

Who knew?

We 'benefit' with stuff like value added taxes, and shelling out 68 percent of our incomes to the state to finance all those free goodies.

Like every single socialist European State.

All YOU have to do is elect Sanders. Elect Democrats to House, and Senate majorities.

And all Obama has to do is appoint a socialist leaning supreme court nominee.

And the puppy dogs like Paul Ryans confirm.

Easy peasy.

originally posted by: Imightknow
a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

YES!! This is the shift that has started!


The people who are scared the most by this are Republicans, but what most Republicans don't realize is that it's not 1950 anymore and MOST Americans under the age of 45 don't care about fake religions anymore and want a separation of church and state. They also want representatives who can give a big middle finger to people trying to buy them.

Separation of church and state does not mean what you and all the young people think it means. Clearly revisionist history has worked.

Secondly, Bernie is not the savior. Hes a career politician, which last I looked is something ATS despised.
"Look at his voting record and you'll see he's for the people!1!!1". Rather convenient wouldn't you say? Wouldn't surprise me to find out Sanders is next in line to push tptb's agenda for America. They give you a taste with Obama, and yank it back, then along comes Bernie to ease his flocks withdrawal syndrome and suddenly America is "fundamentally transformed". If he isn't in on it than he's the most convenient pawn I've ever seen.

"Well maybe its time since America is so backwards!". Yeah well I'm still waiting to see how the great EU social experiment (remember that being a thing?)works out, I don't wanna be lemmings along with you.


ETA: Also, Why is Bernie attacking the rich and talking about corporate taxes when his social utopia across the pond is paying less. Useful Idiots.

a reply to: neo96

What a bull# response.

Do you have any concrete solutions?