Here's Why so Many People Like Bernie

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: Imightknow



The dirty secret is that Sanders is an insider in his own right. Why else would the Dems have let him run on their ticket?

Probably true, yet also doesn't matter. I keep trying to reiterate that Bernie is creating, whether he wants to and whether TPTB want to, a voter who is sick of the two party nonsense where all the candidates are puppets and owned by the highest bidder.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
This whole argument can almost literally come down to the lack of development in the Pre-Frontal Cortex.


I'm not joking

As well as ad hom. That seems to prevail around here nowadays.

originally posted by: Imightknow
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Look, I agree with a lot of what you say. I do feel though like you are making me out to be a supporter of Bernie's policies. This thread was not to argue about Bernie's policies and what I do or do not agree with about him.


It's not just young voters who like him for certain things he is trying to achieve, I know people in their 60's and 70's, all independent thinkers of course, who also support him ONLY because of his attempt to start fighting the $$$ and powers that corrupt American politics.

Simpy put, this can pave the way for future candidates who ARE NOT apart of the dems or the GOP to actually have a shot of getting into DC to make real changes.

I wasn't even posting to you. I had no preconceived notion of you at all. I was just responding to the OP and the title. I didn't read into you personally. I'm just a guy on the Internet talking to other anonymous people on the Internet.

a reply to: Imightknow

Oh, I can see that, but I am not so far gone that I am so desperate that I will take a cure that is worse than the disease.

You see ... I was wandering around Iceland in the winter and it was getting pretty darn cold, so I fixed it by jumping into that nice, toasty lava flow over there! All better.

a reply to: Imightknow

Bernie graduated college in 1964. He first ran for political office in 1968. He has been in political office since 1981. 35 years this guy has now been in political office. Since 1991, that's for 25 years, this guy has been a congressman or a senator. 25 years a politician on the Federal level. And his, not even all that slick of, rhetoric has you thinking he is an outsider. This # can not be made up. It's like you are a character in an episode of the Twilight Zone. Or maybe I'm on Planet of the Apes.

Apparentlyyoudont

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
This whole argument can almost literally come down to the lack of development in the Pre-Frontal Cortex.


I'm not joking

As well as ad hom. That seems to prevail around here nowadays.

I don't think you're using the definition of "Ad Hom" appropriately.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Imightknow

If a person calls themselves an independent thinker and still thinks that voting in a socialist will end corruption and make government smaller, then please, never ever place me in the same category as them.

I agree, but it's not about voting for a socialist. Long term down the road, he is creating voters who won't buy into the same nonsense that Americans have been buying into for decades now.

a reply to: Imightknow

Actually, you're wrong.

He (Sanders) is creating the illusion that government cares about you, that government can solve all your problems, and that you can't do anything without government.

a reply to: xuenchen

Absolutely correct.

They are the borg.

You will be assimilated.

Your biological and technological EXCEPTIONALISM will be added to the collective.

And the most ironic part of that was controlled only by one individual. The QUEEN making the choices for everyone else.

A most astute analogy.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
I'll tell you exactly why so many people like Bernie Sanders. Because American culture has been riddled with socialist propaganda for many decades. It's literally everywhere you look and that's not even close to an exaggeration or paranoia. And American kids have grown up swimming in the stuff and not even knowing they were essentially being indoctrinated. And even before it was entirely obvious, they were there quietly doing their thing.

Sanders is popular because the American people did not take communist infiltration seriously. People who would have been outspoken about it allowed the mainstream socialists to bully them into silence with accusations of McCarthyism. Nevermind that McCarthy was actually right about almost everything.

Strangely, we have jackasses running around in tricornes and wigs (the Tea Party) and other self-styled, would be revolutionaries who think that God and the mythical Founding Fathers want them to "fight tyranny" through ridiculous standoffs with law enforcement where they blabber incoherently about Jefferson, Jesus, the Constitution and the Bible.

What causes that?

Could it be the false sense of history that every new generation of Americans is indoctrinated with?

Maybe the youth just aren't as easily persuaded as they once were. Oh, no! What to do now that the next crop of wage slaves are realizing that the American Dream has been dead since the 70's and that nobody in power has any real plan because they're too busy kissing the asses of uber rich and even the so-called "left" is really just a slightly less right-wing arm of the neoliberal establishment?

Bernie is old, he's not terribly articulate and I doubt that even if he were elected, that he could pull off much of anything he's saying but every other candidate left except Kasich is an utter slimeball.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Imightknow

Actually, you're wrong.

He (Sanders) is creating the illusion that government cares about you, that government can solve all your problems, and that you can't do anything without government.

I would like to hope that he is creating both.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Imightknow

Actually, you're wrong.

He (Sanders) is creating the illusion that government cares about you, that government can solve all your problems, and that you can't do anything without government.

Talk about hyperbolizations!

I will not be voting for Sanders, nor anyone else for that matter - but that's ridiculous, man.

Sanders is proposing that (you) we can't do anything without government?

Care to specify and/or elaborate on this? So under a Sanders presidency, I wouldn't be allowed to take a dump without the government?

a reply to: theantediluvian

Contrast a few guys who dress up in Tri Cornered hats at some precinct meeting in the Carolinas or Tennessee...to almost 90% of "Academia"....paid for by taxpayer dollars.

I think it's no contest as far as the scope and depth of influence.

It's like comparing Renaissance Fair goers to Beyonce fans....

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Imightknow

So you think introducing socialism, making government bigger and more powerful, will end up eliminating government waste and corruption?

Really?

Really?

Yes. Sure not all of his policies are good. But a big thing Sanders keeps saying is that we need to reign in the corporatations that rule over us- Big oil, big pharma, big food, big media. Also to tax them. Some of those corporations pay less a year (literally) than I do in taxes. Then get the money out of politics. Those two things right there will shrink our government.

How is Bernie going to "reign them in"?
I know he can raise taxes. Congress (the same corrupt congress) would love to raise taxes.
How is he going to get money out of politics? Royal decree?
Shrink government by placing all control into the hands of government.


And just even, even if you could reply to my questions and Bernie is Jesus returned, Bernie only has 4 to 8 years in office.

Then we get another bastard who wants just a little more control, just a little bigger government, and just a little higher taxes.

You're right, but it starts with one guy. Then next time, we start voting in congress people that have the same idea, governors with the same idea. It starts slow but people are waking up to the fact that this is a problem. It's a start. You have to start somewhere.

a reply to: Imightknow

He's creating nothing. He is merely tapping into an ignorant populace which has been propagandized through State run education and State influenced media propaganda.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Totally agree, today's youth seem to not be as easily deceived and fooled as previous generations, which is awesome.

People are convinced that a Bernie supporter is a supporter of socialism which I don't see as the case. I think the smart ones know that Bernie won't be able to push any of his agenda thru if he does become POTUS so that doesn't even matter.

I think they are just hoping that he really isn't " one of them ", which may or may not be true and is yet to be determined. At this point it's just everyone's personal opinion, and it seems that the ones who attack him the most are the ones who are still VERY attached to the current system, which is broken and should be thrown away.

This thread exemplifies perfectly the absolute fear Bernie generates. I don't think the right can generate eough BS to stem the Sanders momentum.

Apparently the right has written Hillary off. This just shows the power Bernie "could" have.

a reply to: RomeByFire

Under Sanders, he wants to make universal healthcare, because people can't do it on their own.

Under Sanders, he wants to make college free, because people can't do it on their own.

*frowny face*

a reply to: theantediluvian

Maybe the youth just aren't as easily persuaded as they once were. Oh, no! What to do now that the next crop of wage slaves are realizing that the American Dream has been dead since the 70's and that nobody in power has any real plan because they're too busy kissing the asses of uber rich and even the so-called "left" is really just a slightly less right-wing arm of the neoliberal establishment?

Convincing people with jobs that they are slaves to the capitalist system, despite the fact there are no chains, no master, no whip, and they are free to go where they wish, is the task of the socialist critique of capitalism. Apparently they are easily persuaded, given the falsities being passed around as truth these days.

originally posted by: Imightknow
a reply to: theantediluvian

Totally agree, today's youth seem to not be as easily deceived and fooled as previous generations, which is awesome.

People are convinced that a Bernie supporter is a supporter of socialism which I don't see as the case. I think the smart ones know that Bernie won't be able to push any of his agenda thru if he does become POTUS so that doesn't even matter.

I think they are just hoping that he really isn't " one of them ", which may or may not be true and is yet to be determined. At this point it's just everyone's personal opinion, and it seems that the ones who attack him the most are the ones who are still VERY attached to the current system, which is broken and should be thrown away.

1) Through my 41 years on the planet, I see youth as MORE influencial and collectivist as ever. We actually thought for ourselves more in the 80s-90s...I'm pretty sure. Lack of FB and Twitter, Instagram, etc.

2) Bernie is a full Marxist. Not just a Socialist. His policies SCREAM such.

3) Bernie is the "System"...just a different wing of the System. And so widely LEFT that he appears nuanced when he's an old answer to "new" problems.