What is on the Moon or Planet Venus?

Why is the universal fact that the moon figures prominently in the major religions?

It figures in Ancient Egyptian myth representing some of the Goddesses and also the "Queen of Heaven"

In Christianity, it is the abode of the woman who will give birth to the "savior" of mankind and also the "Queen of Heaven"

The Islamic religion prominently figures the moon symbol also.

Alternately, The Planet Venus also features phases like the moon.

So we could either be dealing with the Moon or Venus...


So what is on the Moon or Venus?? What's in there??

It is also likely to be Venus being Christ "Son of the Morning" is a reference to Venus.

Also seems to say that the parent of Christ may not be "The God" but someone else. A woman or a Goddess.

originally posted by: johndeere2020
Why is the universal fact that the moon figures prominently in the major religions?

Because back during the formation of these religions, they thought there was only the earth and the entire sky was designed specifically for us and us alone.
So, every object up there was meaningful for us...and when you got a gigantic white sphere at night, that means something magical..also the brightest star, and the sun, and a comet..all are not cosmic events, they are religious supernatural things for mankind to interpret.

so..when some holy man decides he totes knows what it means, and has enough charisma (or people to murder others who refute), then his interpretation becomes canon.

What is on the moon? moon dust.
What is on venus? a lot of hot rock, and the like.

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Venus is today hell like, a blanket of cloud cover's the planet and it constantly rains sulphuric acid which never reaches the ground, the planet is virtually earths twin, only very slightly smaller and chemically similar, it has two small continents and a planet spanning oceanic plain but no water as the ground is so hot that the rock's glow, the atmospheric pressure so high that it is about the same as at the very bottom of the Marianas trench.

Once Venus may have had liquid ocean's, perhaps during a cooler period of the sun but even then Venus is odd, though it has techtonic plates like the earth (once thought to only form if a moon was present) the day and night cycle are about six month's long and if you could see the sunrise through the thick cloud layer it would rise in the west and set in the east.

On top of it's highest mountains there is evidence of metallic snow news.discovery.com... probably a rare metal which is a trace element on earth but which melt's at venus temperature and even evaporates before snowing down onto the peak's of venus highest mountains.

Once long ago when venus had an ocean maybe life even existed there, if the planet was cool enough for long enough maybe a civilization even grew up and died out with it's world (unless we or some one before us are them or from mars or even once colonised these two other world's) but even if that were the case the harsh conditions on venus would mean we would today find no trace of there passing in the heat baked rock of venus crust or upon it's scorched but still active surface.

The moon's atmosphere is virtually not there and only trace outgassings have been detected from time to time, the low gravity of the moon means that it is a virtual vaccuum open to space and solar radiation, there may or may not be interesting thing's on the moon including evidence of past civilization but if that is the case it never came from there, oh and there is modern evidence of recent civilization in the form of the relic's left by modern expedition's but as for the moon in the bible it is referring to a sign in heaven not a woman in the moon and the image of our lady of guadeloupe in mexico city is a good example showing the virgin standing on the moon with a protective eagle winged cherub beneath it.

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Just for the record, Islam doesn't actually use the crescent moon as a symbol. It was human civilizations and cultures that did it (like my necklace). In Islam, it would probably be better to have the Quranic Arabic words for "Allah" or "Muslim" as a symbol (or the Shahada/"declaration of faith", which is found on many flags and the such).

We use the Lunar calendar instead of the Solar calendar. That way, any layman can track the changing of time just by looking at the moon. Basically, a new month is started every "New Moon", which is the slimmest of crescent moons. This happens every 29-30 days, hence every Islamic month is 29 or 30 days (our lunar calendar has 354 days because of this). That explains why many Islamic cultures and people may choose to use the crescent moon as a symbol. It's not because there's anything special on or inside of the moon.

Here are 2 sites that go into more detail if you'd like more info:

moonsighting.com...
www.dawnsun.net...

Moon - by opposition to the Sun - has always the subject of esoteric speculations :

As a starter, you should maybe consider Ars magna lucis et umbrae by the Jesuit Athanasius Kircher



Venus amulet :

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Ancient people seemed to look to the sky for answers, and planets don't move like the rest of the stars in the sky so they had more significance then other "stars"

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I can guess the Moon for it's effect on the tides and it's effect on emotions over the course of the month.

Venus because it seemed female in origin? It seemed 'of the sun' ?

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The moon was bright back then. So was Venus. They both stood out in the night sky.

If aliens are on either one they can stay there...

Indeed, it makes sense because they are brightest objects in the sky. I was in rural place once, moonless night, Planet Venus was up, it was just bright enough to cast a shadow on the ground with my hand.

So other than being bright, would there be something else?

Why are future space programs skipping the moon and setting out to Mars directly?

We know there's water on the moon, we know we can effectively harness solar/heat energy on the Moon much better than we can on Earth due to lack of atmosphere and there's an abundance of titanium ore on the surface rocks on the moon!

We could just the first wave of robots, a titanium processing unit, and a payload of electronic boards. Once landed, the robots could assemble the titanium processing plant to manufacture the titanium bodies of the moon-made robots and install the electronic boards on them.

We know where this is going.... For a small fraction of the payload, a large fully automated base can be setup on the moon using robots that can reproduce using the Moon's indigenous resources. The bulk of the structure made predominantly from the local titanium resource.

We can do it now, we already have the pivotal robotics technology to pull it off at relatively cheap price with a fully unmanned major space operation. It could dramatically save money for Mars missions and beyond in the long term.....

So why are we not doing it?? Is there something on the moon we can't just ignore?

From a philosophical standpoint the moon does not emit its own light, it reflects the light of the sun making it a false light. The moon being so prominent in religion reflects the role of religion itself, not being the true light or truth, only a reflection or imitation of the true light and truth.

Also, the "Queen of Heaven" is a reference to the material world, that which reflects light just as the moon reflects light.

As for Venus, it is the brightest "star" in the sky, though it is not its own light but the sun's that we see reflecting off of it.

It all has to do with false light in my opinion, false spiritual light in the form of religion and religious dogma.

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Because it's a big thing in the sky.

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For me, both of those are spiritually significant to me. Imagine if a Christian was able to see a giant cross every time they looked up at that sky. It's pretty awesome.

As far as what is on them? Assigned intent. The gods and goddesses who the planets were named after play out on a micro and macrocosm scale. Their movements being associated with ours is one observation that lent to the "as above, so below" philosophy.

Luna guides my monthly flow (not talking menstruation here) and Venus influences the timing of my practice. To many, they are holy.

The Sun would be the most prominent one due to the fact that pretty much all life and civilization depends on it, since all civilizations have a Sun God...Even the Christians. As for the moon I think it depends on which region. In hotter climates, seeing the moon might of been just a blessing, wherre seeing the Sun would of been a curse. Since night time is associated with it appearance in the sky, but the moon also has the most superstition behind it when all the maneaters and soul devouring demons come out to play. Both objects might have had their importance on knowing what time, and season it is. It even been said, in todays age, that crime is more likely to occur on a full moon due to the gravity, or some magnetic voodoo affecting the iron in ones blood.

Also, knowing how the star moves, means one can navigate themselves around, just knowing which direction the sun always rises or sets.

Venus, might actually have had two esoteric names for it, the Evening, and the Morning Star, but they probably wouldn't have known it was the same star, or planet really. The Morning Star might have much more prominence in esoteric due it being a sign of the Sun's rise. It would be pretty much, be like a visual announcer of the Heavens. Like the story of Lucifer, one time being Gods greatest angel, being casted out of the Heavens for being to proud, out shine God, in his presence(depends on what stories they would have had back then, but that just my generalization).

Since Lucifer, means Light Bearer, and being a personification of Venus ,it might as well mean, Bringer of the Dawn, but like I said, it just an assumption.
As for Satan, well, he might as be a rock sent from God to punish man for it sins, I mean he still in hell muttering, and burning to this day, since Adam and Eve, which was 6000 years ago. What rampaging endurance, and patience. I mean he just keeps coming back for more punishment, or punishing.

How rockheaded!?
Halleys comet was said to have brought the four horsemen down on Earth, when a piece broke off it, hint ,The white rider of the Apocalypse, well in those dismal times anways.

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O yea, P.S...

Two things come once a month...One the full moon.

The current moon is called Khonsu by the Egyptians. It was placed here to hide the real moon, which is much larger.

a reply to: LABTECH767I would think with mars being said to once house civilizations wouldn't that mean the sun is cooling and when earth gets to cold its time to hop over to venus?

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There's no simple way to answer this question without reducing thousands of years of religious progression down to a few gross generalizations. Take everything below with a grain of salt, because the influence of the Moon and Venus on human spirituality is far more complex than I can convey in layman's terms.


1. Time.

The Moon, alongside Venus and the Sun, are signposts along the year. The Moon waxes from New to Full, and then wanes from Full to Dark, over the course of 28-30 days. This phenomenon is cyclical, and ancient cultures soon realized that you could divide the year up based on the Moon's journey. This process lead to the implementation of lunar calendars. These calendars divided the year up into 12 or 13 lunar cycles. Most commonly it was 12 cycles, with an "inter-calary month" added at various intervals; a process too complex to discuss here. Additionally, women of these ancient cultures also discovered that the monthly lunar cycle coincided with their own menstrual cycle, a topic with its own diverse history worth studying if you're interested in connections between human biology and celestial phenomenon.

The Sun, wasn't mentioned by you, but is worth noting here, simply for the fact that solar cycles also became more obvious as ancient peoples got more observant. The steady ascension of the sun at zenith in the sky from mid-winter to mid-summer; followed by it's steady declination from mid-summer to mid-winter gave rise to the solar calendar, arranged around the solstices (Vernal and Autumnal), which originates from astrological observations over the course of 360-365 days. A topic, once more, too complex to explain in a few sentences on here. Lunar and solar cycles are, as you likely know, the basis for our modern calendars and methods of telling time.

Venus has a different cyclical system. For 263 days Venus is observable in the pre-dawn hours, leading the Sun in its rise. During this phase Venus is known as the Morning Star, due to its diurnal activities. On the 264th day though, Venus is absent. For a total of 50 days Venus does not manifest in the night sky. After this 50-day absence Venus once more appears, this time as the planet (star to ancient peoples) trailing the Sun as it sets. In this phase, which lasts for another 263 days, Venus is known as the Evening Star, due to its crepuscular activities. Once again, on the 264th day, Venus disappears entirely. For the next 8 days Venus cannot be seen in the night sky, before beginning the cycle anew by rising in the pre-dawn hours for 263 more days. This pattern is known as a Synodic Period, and was useful to ancient astronomers because 5 Synodic cycles were almost exactly equal to 8 Earth years. Longer periods of time could be calculated and measured if the Synodic Period of Venus was used as the foundation.


2. Astronomy and Astrology

All of these observations, of course, gave rise to the idea that natural phenomenon occurring on the Earth had its equivalent occurring in the Heavens. The passage of seasons for example, from Spring to Summer to Autumn to Winter, happens to coincide with the Sun's ascension and declination in the sky over the course of a year.

The Moon, meanwhile, could be used to predict solar and lunar eclipses, which many ancient cultures believed were times of violence and evil, with demons overwhelming the Moon and running amok in heaven, because eclipses interrupted the otherwise natural cycles, disrupting Divine Law.

Venus' actions, meanwhile, gave rise to something known as The Descent Myth, which coincided with Venus' absence as well as the Sun's declination. Descent Mythology is very complex, and there's no way for me to do it any justice in a simple reply post here. Almost every ancient culture featured some variation on it though: Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece, the Norse, etc.

As ancient observers became more attuned to these phenomenon, they started mapping the Heavens: creating constellations, the zodiac, the mansions of the moon, and more. These celestial cartographers soon developed folk-sciences for reading the Heavens, and interpreting the placement of celestial luminaries through means of divination to predict the fortunes of the country or individual. These observations soon lead to the acknowledgement of 4 other planets—a term originally denoting a wandering star—Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn.


3. In conclusion

The Moon and Venus allowed early humans to measure time, map the Heavens, and discover the cyclical phenomenon of Nature. These observations gave rise to an entire "science" (belief) about the connection between Man, the Earth, and the Heavens, which would manifest in later religions and philosophies which built upon these observations and the interpretations of them.

~ Wandering Scribe