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originally posted by: Ceeker63
a reply to: onequestionI believe it was LBJ that started the great society with a massive amounts of government give-away programs. Now they are so intrenched in our system they would create a huge problem for people if they where ALL removed.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Edumakated
Well unrestrained capitalism has been shown to be ineffective and create tons of inequality. It results in businesses cutting corners on worker safety as well as product safety. It results in businesses pitching merchandise that doesn't do what is advertised.
Democratic Socialism on the other hand takes the best parts of capitalism (the ability to rise out of your living conditions with the right work ethic) as well as the best parts of socialism (caring about the people). This is why during our country's golden years we were heavily Democratic Socialist (even Republicans agreed with socialism at the time). Though we still are DS, just not as much as then.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
Socialist by choice.
A life or death, eternal Heaven or Hell choice, that was socialism......or else.
Either way, it doesn't change the fact that people chose to enter that Christian community.
Socialism should be illegal.
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Edumakated
Well unrestrained capitalism has been shown to be ineffective and create tons of inequality. It results in businesses cutting corners on worker safety as well as product safety. It results in businesses pitching merchandise that doesn't do what is advertised.
Democratic Socialism on the other hand takes the best parts of capitalism (the ability to rise out of your living conditions with the right work ethic) as well as the best parts of socialism (caring about the people). This is why during our country's golden years we were heavily Democratic Socialist (even Republicans agreed with socialism at the time). Though we still are DS, just not as much as then.
When has there not been inequality? Everyone is not the same. There will always be rich and poor. ALWAYS. In a free market, businesses who cheat, lie, and steal are punished as competitors who don't quickly take their place by providing more trust worthy goods and services. In a free market, companies that treat their employees better will tend to attract better workers.
originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Open your eyes.
Once dominant businesses fail all the time. Replaced by competitors who have their finger on the pulse of the consumer. Many businesses get a short term gain in profits by playing dirty, but in the long run they almost always are exposed and if they don't change, are run out of business as consumers shop elsewhere. Just look at how much power Yelp reviews have on businesses.
Your comment about employees makes no sense. Why do corporate law firms pay graduates of Harvard Law School $160,000 instead of hiring graduates of a third tier law school and pay them $50,000? They pay the Harvard grads $160,000 because they are competing against other firms for scarcity of talent. Why do places like Google and other tech companies offer numerous perks to their employees? They do so because they are competing for talent.
On the other hand, the minimum wage worker makes minimum wage because there is no scarcity of the skills they bring to the table.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: SaturnFX
Jesus would give us the choice to contribute as a community, unlike the federal government who just loves to collect taxes against our will.
Calm down.
There is no such thing as a government that doesn't collect taxes. I'm really tired of the argument against Socialism being framed as it being bad because the government taxes the population. It's dishonest. There has never been a government that doesn't collect taxes and there never will be one. So Socialism can't be bad because the government collects taxes.
Taxes have a legitimate place in society, but not a tax on income........
originally posted by: onequestion
In a perfect free market world poverty would actually be a point of contention as the people would demand more due to the fact that there would be no net to catch them.
Am I right about that premise?
So the free market came to a screeching halt with the first minimum wage hike, and then again when they added social security.
Would the market demand a better wage in order to effectively compensate for a retirement if the government didn't create a social security system?
What do you think ATS?
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Semicollegiate
I'm sorry but it seems to me that this last bust was because too few people have way too much money to invest in shoddy investments that were based on the idea that the oh so many people who had way too little money to actually buy a home were accommodated regardless, in quest of new paper that they could sell to the investors...
the danged people on social services didn't have a thing to do with the mess!!!!
my son this morning got a letter from our bank today, for some reason they took out life insurance policy on his behalf, with ti states in one part of the letter is at completely no cost to him, you don't find out just how much it will cost unless you read this little enclosed brochure. what are they slicing and dicing up the insurance policies now or something. I mean once they have opened it up in his name, I do believe they have the ability to keep paying the payment for it and make themselves or someone else beneficiary....
ya it really sounds like we need more money for investment!! can the average small business owner get a loan yet to expand their business? or is it just the big money people playing the crap table on wall street?
originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
so those people that are somehow not able to work, starve to death, or die from exposure from being homeless?....and if anybody thinks there is such a thing as a "free market"...I've got a bridge to sell you.