Muslim Rape Gang Found Guilty of Abusing White Girl

originally posted by: neformore

So I blame you for being ignorant.

Well can you list your good news then..lol For future reference which ones do you like since they all and more talk about Bradford.
yorkshiretimes
thetelegraphandargus
dailymail
bbc
bradford.gov.uk
telegraph


I didn't lie or fabricate anything, I reported as oh..everyone else on ATS does, so if it gets your panties in a wad then so be it since I do not live there like you do and this is what I have to work with.

Anyone not sure of what the muslim 'faith' has to say about the fair sex, read the koran and the hadith, plus Google Muhhamad wives.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Nope.

But unless you are trying to justify prejudice, that's irrelevant.

Or do you not believe that white Christian pedofiles don't exist?

a reply to: Xtrozero

I'd suggest that you work with better sources, and check facts before you spout BS, or comment on things you have no actual knowledge of.

a reply to: Xtrozero

What is shocking is the mens attitude to the Keighley court of law. The Judge had a lot to say about their attitude, but I suspect he knows only too well that these men follow Sharia, which they think overrules the laws of this land and can rape, groom deal drugs whatever without a problem. Shame UK courts don't cut off their gonads etc as a punishment before a very long prison sentence and then deportation., along with their families. The age of these men, going into their 60's should tell us all that they simply don't get any more common sense or decency as they get older.

Its a fair point about Pakistanis because currently Pakistan is in a terrible situation of the Taliban taking over the country (which holds a nuclear arsenal) Karachi, one of the biggest cities in the world and is currently being held hostage by the Taliban with all these crimes and many more rife.

Muslims whilst in a minority here will pretend to tow the legal line with platitudes about our law, but that will change once they outbreed us. Sharia courts have ben allowed to be set up simply because Judiasm likes its own Courts also and petitioned for this right which now can't be denied to Muslims.

In actual fact we don't need either of these religious courts, both of which favour men only. The Courts of the land are perfectly able to deal with sexual and other crimes, they protect everyone, regardless of their religious persuasion.

We are in dire trouble if we ever let religion overrule our legal system and run our country.

originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: shooterbrody

Nope.

But unless you are trying to justify prejudice, that's irrelevant.

Or do you not believe that white Christian pedofiles don't exist?

I had a hard time believing the story when I read it.
I do not think it is irrelevant. How is that prejudice if they actually did that crime?
Many other stories similar to this one were available when searching.
White christian pedophiles certainly do exist.
15 of them repeatedly raping young girls over an extended period of time I have never heard of.
The catholic church scandal is the closest I have heard to this, but that was individuals not a group raping together.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: Xtrozero

What is shocking is the mens attitude to the Keighley court of law. The Judge had a lot to say about their attitude, but I suspect he knows only too well that these men follow Sharia, which they think overrules the laws of this land and can rape, groom deal drugs whatever without a problem. Shame UK courts don't cut off their gonads etc as a punishment before a very long prison sentence and then deportation., along with their families. The age of these men, going into their 60's should tell us all that they simply don't get any more common sense or decency as they get older.

Its a fair point about Pakistanis because currently Pakistan is in a terrible situation of the Taliban taking over the country (which holds a nuclear arsenal) Karachi, one of the biggest cities in the world and is currently being held hostage by the Taliban with all these crimes and many more rife.

Muslims whilst in a minority here will pretend to tow the legal line with platitudes about our law, but that will change once they outbreed us. Sharia courts have ben allowed to be set up simply because Judiasm likes its own Courts also and petitioned for this right which now can't be denied to Muslims.

In actual fact we don't need either of these religious courts, both of which favour men only. The Courts of the land are perfectly able to deal with sexual and other crimes, they protect everyone, regardless of their religious persuasion.

We are in dire trouble if we ever let religion overrule our legal system and run our country.

The UK has allowed Sharia courts and Jewish courts?
That is insane!

originally posted by: gosseyn
So, their first quality/characteristic is that they are muslims ? What if they are all star wars fans, should the title be "Star Wars Fans Rape Gang Found Guilty of Abusing White Girl" ? What if they're all cheese eaters, should the title be "Cheese Eaters Rape Gang Found Guilty of Abusing White Girl" ? Was an imam present to sanctify the rape ? Did they scream "allah wakbar" while raping her ?

Let's not indulge in sophistry as it helps nobody.

Cheese eating doesn't usually affect people's view of the world and their social behavior - or at least it hasn't been identified as a major influence in that regard.
The same, I suspect, might be said of Star Wars fandom.
Until there are socio-political formations based on cheese eating or Star Wars fandom, those are invalid examples.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Court, in this case, means settling minor community issues such as money disputes, counselling and divorce settlements.

Normal British law applies at all times to everyone.

People panic because the term "sharia" is used, but it has no criminal legal jurisdiction whatsoever.

a reply to: shooterbrody

If it wasn't such a grim subject, I'd suggest you take off your blinkers and research such things properly.

But I suspect paranoic blinkers prevents you from stepping into that wider view.

originally posted by: gosseyn
So, their first quality/characteristic is that they are muslims ? What if they are all star wars fans, should the title be "Star Wars Fans Rape Gang Found Guilty of Abusing White Girl" ? What if they're all cheese eaters, should the title be "Cheese Eaters Rape Gang Found Guilty of Abusing White Girl" ? Was an imam present to sanctify the rape ? Did they scream "allah wakbar" while raping her ?

It's highlighted because it forms part of a wider problem.

An extensive pedophile ring was "recently" uncovered in that region - except it turned out the local police and council knew about it for years but didn't take action. The reason for not taking action was later described as "institutionlised political correctness" by the Home Office. Prior to the scandal coming to light, the local council had diplomatically noted that "crimes had 'cultural characteristics... which are locally sensitive in terms of diversity'".

What triggered this? The offenders were Pakistanis. You'd be quite right to point out that Pakistani is a nationality not a religion, so how does this translate to Muslim? That was probably the fault of how the council handled it, almost seeking to minimalise or excuse the behaviour on the basis that it was their "culture" to treat women that way, conflating national with religious background.

The mosques were also vocal in denouncing the abuse, pointing out that it was not acceptable under Islam. This, unfortunately, had the additional unintended consequence of making people wonder why they were so quick to issue denials - no smoke without fire, etc.

The end result is that many people in that area now associate this kind of gang behaviour with the muslim community. Throw in a handful of hardliners and fundamentalists calling for the death or subjugation of non-believers, and the image is reinforced.

Does this make it correct to specifically identify this gang as Muslims? Not necessarily. It is, however, part of a much more complex issue than first appears.

originally posted by: TechniXcality

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: ErrorErrorError

Lol what..you need to add something to your post for I do not speak British.

That my friend was not British that was "chav" , but i think he certainly had some valid concerns i was especially sympathetic too the "Muslim ray guns" issue he brought to the forefront.

I think the reporters chose their interviewee very carefully to maximum impact! Unfortunately any point (whether right or wrong) that he was trying to make about "Muslim rape gangs" is now forever remembered as "muslamic ray guns".

originally posted by: shooterbrody
The UK has allowed Sharia courts and Jewish courts?
That is insane!

It's actually something we imported from the US - ADR (Alternative Dispute Resolution).

The UK legal system allows for ADR such as arbitration. In fact, part of the process of bringing a claim in court is to show that you have either attempted ADR or to explain why ADR is not suitable.

Arbitration can be through specialist companies or recognised individuals. It can be through authorised bodies - and this is where Sharia courts come in. They are authorised bodies for arbitration. If both parties agree to be bound by the decision, and the decision is not contrary to UK law, matters can be resolved in those courts and the UK courts will uphold it provided it is not contrary to justice to do so.

Arbitration is only available where it is appropriate - contracts, some matrimonial proceedings, etc. It cannot be used for criminal matters. It cannot supercede or contradict UK law, parties cannot be forced to accept Sharia Courts as an arbitration body, parties cannot be prevented from taking the matter before a proper UK court.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: Xtrozero

What is shocking is the mens attitude to the Keighley court of law. The Judge had a lot to say about their attitude, but I suspect he knows only too well that these men follow Sharia, which they think overrules the laws of this land and can rape, groom deal drugs whatever without a problem. Shame UK courts don't cut off their gonads etc as a punishment before a very long prison sentence and then deportation., along with their families. The age of these men, going into their 60's should tell us all that they simply don't get any more common sense or decency as they get older.

Its a fair point about Pakistanis because currently Pakistan is in a terrible situation of the Taliban taking over the country (which holds a nuclear arsenal) Karachi, one of the biggest cities in the world and is currently being held hostage by the Taliban with all these crimes and many more rife.

Muslims whilst in a minority here will pretend to tow the legal line with platitudes about our law, but that will change once they outbreed us. Sharia courts have ben allowed to be set up simply because Judiasm likes its own Courts also and petitioned for this right which now can't be denied to Muslims.

In actual fact we don't need either of these religious courts, both of which favour men only. The Courts of the land are perfectly able to deal with sexual and other crimes, they protect everyone, regardless of their religious persuasion.

We are in dire trouble if we ever let religion overrule our legal system and run our country.

The UK has allowed Sharia courts and Jewish courts?
That is insane!

No it hasn't for fecks sake. How many more times. Where do you people get this drivel from? There is absolutely nothing to stop anybody from imposing some kind of "club" "group" "religious" control amongst themselves within their own homes. Golf clubs, football clubs, womans institute, catholic church, jewish synogogue, muslim mosque etc etc But none of that has any influence over normal UK law. Now there will be idiots (usually with IQ's just into double digits) that think that these rules/laws etc apply to them but the UK law doesn't. These folks end up in jail. If they have committed sex crimes I'm sure they will a have lovely time in the showers. There will also be idiots who think they can impose "their law" on people who frequent certain areas just like gangland areas. But again the UK law is the only one that applies.

THERE IS NO SHARIA LAW IN BRITAIN

Load enough? Has it sunk in yet ? Anybody still having trouble understanding ?

Just out of curiosity, If it had been 15 Jewish men doing the raping, and the headlines called them Jews, would there be such an uproar over it?

Of course you dont hear about jewish sex grooming gangs, nor buddist or any other faith.

I think the fact that muslims world wide are creating a living hell on earth and terrorizing everywhere they happen to exist is creating a hatred toward them.

Obviously not every Muslim is of the extremist type. Nor is every pit bull vicious but would you want your children in a room of pit bulls to prove that fact?

The fact that the accused are muslim is a fact, if you do not like or accept facts, stick with fiction.

I think the headline is desired to generate hate for muslims, a hate they seem to want and deserve. Every day muslims worldwide are causing chaos. Is it just a coincedence that the majority of people doing this just happen to be Muslim? i suppose that is a possibility. It is the major religion of the ME. But when it is brought to our doorstep it should be noted all the facts. The fact they are muslim is just a fact.

If a white christian militia group blows up a Mosque would you be happy the headline read "some people blow up mosque"?
and why mention it was a Mosque? why not just a place of worship?

I think those who would express anger at calling out the fact the OP refers to Muslims have good intentions but go to far into becoming muslim apologists and at times we on the other end go to far as well.

I heard people get raped around the world so this isn't a big deal.

originally posted by: gosseyn
So, their first quality/characteristic is that they are muslims ? What if they are all star wars fans, should the title be "Star Wars Fans Rape Gang Found Guilty of Abusing White Girl" ? What if they're all cheese eaters, should the title be "Cheese Eaters Rape Gang Found Guilty of Abusing White Girl" ? Was an imam present to sanctify the rape ? Did they scream "allah wakbar" while raping her ?

Are you truly this corrupt? We get it you know!

a reply to: Unity_99

well they are Muslims, can you argue that fact?

a reply to: tinner07

Not every American is an active shooter.

Nor is every pit bull vicious, but would you put your children in a room full of them to prove that fact?

See how pathetically absurd your argument is there now?

originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: Xtrozero

I'd suggest that you work with better sources, and check facts before you spout BS, or comment on things you have no actual knowledge of.

Come on really? You are only slamming me because you live there and have a personal perspective, one that I do not have. I didn't hunt for that, it came up as a rather common theme when I was actually just looking at the case, so as I said that is the nature of ATS. BTW someone asked me how does a Sharia court work there and I didn't spout anything other than I do not know how the two courts work together, go read the post, so I'll take your suggestion and you take mine of relaxing a little.