In 180 Seconds You Will Be Voting For Bernie Sanders

originally posted by: damwel
Bernie is the authentic Ron Paul. If you love Ron Paul, Bernie is the real thing. Give him a listen.

Oh whoever it was up there that said they voted for change and got shafted, I hope you realize it was john Boehner who shafted you and prevented Obama from changing anything. In the Senate it was republicans engaging in more filibusters than any president had in history. More than all the presidents before him put together. So don't tell me how Obama failed, he was blocked by republicans who cared more about power than the country.

Actually, it was Obama who can not work with the Republicans. And most Democrats. Or other people in general.

Don't blame other people for one man's inability to compromise.

So whenever I listen to Bernie, these questions cross my mind:

1) How will you pay for that?
2) Where did you learn economics?
3) You do realize that government is the source of the problems you are complaining about, right?

In other words, I'm not impressed. He talks a good game, but that's about it. And it's really not that good to be honest...

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
So whenever I listen to Bernie, these questions cross my mind:

1) How will you pay for that?
2) Where did you learn economics?
3) You do realize that government is the source of the problems you are complaining about, right?

In other words, I'm not impressed. He talks a good game, but that's about it. And it's really not that good to be honest...

With respect; it doesn't sound like you actually "listened" to what he was saying when he was speaking.

1) Another platform he is working on is wealth distribution with higher taxing on the wealthy, the closing of corporate and wealthy tax loops holes and not giving tax breaks for corporations or funds that don't need them.

Giving more money to the lower income earners and keeping jobs in America means that the economy will pick up with their spending, rather than only the wealthy having disposable incomes.

2) He bases his economics on democratic socialism, not full blown socialism as people want you to think.
Not to mention that he would have a team of economic advisors for everything.

How is the American economy going right now under the old system being run by people who studied economics? Not so great.

3) A big part of his platform is political reform

It should be quite easy to look at what Bernie has meant for the US in the past since he has been a politician for quite a long time now.
As such, it should be easy to know what Bernie can do for the US and its citizens as the new president.

So it's Bernie's birthday, he turned 180?

2nd..

originally posted by: Collateral

1) How will you pay for that?
2) Where did you learn economics?
3) You do realize that government is the source of the problems you are complaining about, right?

In other words, I'm not impressed. He talks a good game, but that's about it. And it's really not that good to be honest...

With respect; it doesn't sound like you actually "listened" to what he was saying when he was speaking.

Nope, I listed twice to make sure I was getting it all. Spend spend spend, no details, tax tax tax.

1) Another platform he is working on is wealth distribution with higher taxing on the wealthy, the closing of corporate and wealthy tax loops holes and not giving tax breaks for corporations or funds that don't need them.

Because redistribution through the government is so efficient...

Closing the corporate tax loopholes is something the Tea Party has been advocating for years now. Wealth tax, not so much. Hedge fund management changes from capital gains to income would be good, but it's not going to solve our of control government spending.

And who decides 'need'?

Giving more money to the lower income earners and keeping jobs in America means that the economy will pick up with their spending, rather than only the wealthy having disposable incomes.

Spending is spending. Wealthy spend money too. What we need is incentive for them to spend in the USA instead of elsewhere.

2) He bases his economics on democratic socialism, not full blown socialism as people want you to think.
Not to mention that he would have a team of economic advisors for everything.

Wow, you can read minds. Impressive. I've seen his ideas for the last few years. It's socialism, no matter how you paint it.

Every President has a team of advisors.

How is the American economy going right now under the old system being run by people who studied economics? Not so great.

And you think Bernie will pick anyone with different ideas than Obama? If anything Bernie will pick even worse people.

3) A big part of his platform is political reform

Uh huh. That's what we've been hearing from Democrats like Obama for years now. How's that working out?

The biggest political reform imaginable would be to shrink government, reign in spending, lower regulations and taxes.

Bernie won't be doing any of that.

a reply to: ugmold

If Bernie sails through the democratic primary without ever having to fight dirty or get media attention thanks to Hillary's email scandal -- and comes out looking like an honest, lovable, grassroots underdog; and if Joe Biden enters the race late -- and peels away HIlary votes; AND if Donald Trump breaks from republicans and splits the conservative vote throwing the race to Bernie in a BIG WAY -- enough to give him a mandate...THEN I will know that Bernie Sanders is the chosen Establishment candidate and not who he claims to be, at all.

I stopped listening to campaign rhetoric years ago and started looking at the facts. The elite are winning, and they seem to be leading us to Bernie.

Nope, I listed twice to make sure I was getting it all. Spend spend spend, no details, tax tax tax.

How many other Candidates thoroughly detail their expenditure, income, tax, depth of policy, etc etc...and for the VERY FEW who do, how many of them actually stick to it if they are elected? I think your bias is showing in this statement.

Spending is spending. Wealthy spend money too. What we need is incentive for them to spend in the USA instead of elsewhere.

If spending is spending, then surely you understand that the more money the lower income earners have, the more money will pour back into the economy.

The wealthy are more likely to spend money outside the countries economy and exploit tax loopholes. Also, the amount of wealthy compared to the "poor" is incomparable.

It's socialism, no matter how you paint it.

It has elements of Socialism. You are just beating the Right wing rhetorical drum, which is just used to try and scare the public that they would be heading to Communism.

And you think Bernie will pick anyone with different ideas than Obama? If anything Bernie will pick even worse people.

Who is the mind reader now? I'm impressed.

Again, right wing logic of "Oh we may of been in control when the economy went to #, but we are the only ones who can fix it." The right had their chance, they bombed.

The biggest political reform imaginable would be to shrink government, reign in spending, lower regulations and taxes.

Because Austerity worked so well in Europe didn't it?

Look at Australia, elected a Right Wing government to "fix" the economy by "shrinking government, reign in spending, lower regulations and taxes", and we have only seen debt escalate, unemployment rise, education and health become more expensive, etc, etc.

originally posted by: Collateral

How many other Candidates thoroughly detail their expenditure, income, tax, depth of policy, etc etc...and for the VERY FEW who do, how many of them actually stick to it if they are elected? I think your bias is showing in this statement.

Of course I'm biased. I'm human, not a robot or drone. Nothing about Bernie impresses me enough to change that bias.

If spending is spending, then surely you understand that the more money the lower income earners have, the more money will pour back into the economy.

What Sanders is advocating is *redistribution* then spending, meaning it goes through the corrupt filter of government first.

I would agree with you if it was the lower income earners keeping more of their money to spend as they see fit, or truly earning a higher wage through a more robust economy instead of just a cheap wage hike 'fix'.

The wealthy are more likely to spend money outside the countries economy and exploit tax loopholes.

Why do you think they spend money outside the country?

Who doesn't exploit loopholes? Do *you* wait for the highest loan rate or credit card APR to come along?

Also, the amount of wealthy compared to the "poor" is incomparable.

And growing under progressive influence and cronyism.

It has elements of Socialism. You are just beating the Right wing rhetorical drum, which is just used to try and scare the public that they would be heading to Communism.

I don't need to scare people about communism. Central/Utopian Socialism is bad enough.

And you think Bernie will pick anyone with different ideas than Obama? If anything Bernie will pick even worse people.

Who is the mind reader now? I'm impressed.

Thanks. It's easy with someone as extreme as Bernie.

Again, right wing logic of "Oh we may of been in control when the economy went to #, but we are the only ones who can fix it." The right had their chance, they bombed.

When was that, exactly?

The biggest political reform imaginable would be to shrink government, reign in spending, lower regulations and taxes.

Because Austerity worked so well in Europe didn't it?

This isn't Europe.

Look at Australia, elected a Right Wing government to "fix" the economy by "shrinking government, reign in spending, lower regulations and taxes", and we have only seen debt escalate, unemployment rise, education and health become more expensive, etc, etc.

This isn't Australia either.

First of all, apologies for the slow response...its been a chaotic week or so.

Of course I'm biased. I'm human, not a robot or drone. Nothing about Bernie impresses me enough to change that bias.

Probably because....you are biased?

What Sanders is advocating is *redistribution* then spending, meaning it goes through the corrupt filter of government first.

So it doesnt go through the corrupt filter of Government if it isnt Sanders? This is politics. EVERYTHING goes through the Government.
I dont really understand how you think this argument somehow supports your point.

I don't need to scare people about communism. Central/Utopian Socialism is bad enough.

Because....

When was that, exactly?

Really?

This isn't Europe.
This isn't Australia either.

So Maths, Economics & Political theory work differently in the USA?

a reply to: ugmold

Simply put, he's too old to be electable.

That, and the Dems have already decided Hillary will be their candidate, whether they voice it or not.

originally posted by: ugmold
Man oh man, Bernie seems to be catching on. Even if he gets elected and can't fulfill his promises, I know it's in his heart, where it counts.
Take it away Bernie.

He's a sellout... he supported and voted for the USA Freedom Act. Done, and DONE! He is not the candidate for the people, he's a candidate that knows what to say TO the people.

Didn't Obama legalize gay marriage and now a lot of states have marijuana legalized or at least medicinal marijuana legalized? Didn't he capture Osama Bin Laden? Wasn't he blocked by congress the whole time and thus wasn't able to accomplish everything? I'm not too into politics so thats just off the top of my head, too lazy to look it up.

One thing I don't like is the Affordable Health Care Act. If you have a job where your company provides you health benefits you don't have anything to worry about. If you have one of those jobs with benefits then you most likely are making a good salary.

If you don't have a job that provides benefits you most likely are not making too much. Depending on how much you are making, you may receive free health care. More than likely you are going to have to pay. To make low income people pay for health insurance is really messed up.

Hearing that Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton are candidates I immediately just thought whatever with this election. LOL

originally posted by: WCmutant
He's a sellout... he supported and voted for the USA Freedom Act. Done, and DONE! He is not the candidate for the people, he's a candidate that knows what to say TO the people.

No he did not.

Are you lying on purpose or just too lazy to look it up??


www.senate.gov...

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: WCmutant
He's a sellout... he supported and voted for the USA Freedom Act. Done, and DONE! He is not the candidate for the people, he's a candidate that knows what to say TO the people.

No he did not.

Are you lying on purpose or just too lazy to look it up??


www.senate.gov...

I stand corrected. I was looking at this website that lists him as a "co-sponsor" of S.2685 - US Freedom Act 2014
Votesmart.org You are right, I made a bad assumption without follow up. Generally, a supporter of a bill votes for the bill.

In the end he voted "Nay" and it mattered not. Strange he supported it's creation but by 2015 he dropped his support and voted "Nay." Arguably a political move given he planned to run for president.

Again thanks for the correction.

a reply to: WCmutant

That is interesting though that he was supporting it the year before. Looks like we both learned something.

originally posted by: game over man
Didn't he capture Osama Bin Laden?

No. The U.S. supposedly killed Osama and then got rid of his body without showing anyone.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: WCmutant

That is interesting though that he was supporting it the year before. Looks like we both learned something.

Definitely. I still think he's part of the machine. Kinda hard to talk like he is with your name attached to the USA Freedom Act like it previously was.

I'm guessing his group is hoping people will only look at the 2015 vote and not anything previous.

originally posted by: WCmutant
Definitely. I still think he's part of the machine. Kinda hard to talk like he is with your name attached to the USA Freedom Act like it previously was.

I'm guessing his group is hoping people will only look at the 2015 vote and not anything previous.

Well, I don't know if I'd take it that far exactly. I've looked into his voting record and his history of politics and he's been very consistent for over 20 years. Been spouting the same message, fighting the same causes and pushing the same policy ideas. That is one of the most identifying features about him is his consistency.

That is also why for the past 20 years he's been either ignored or looked at as a fringe politician by the establishment. The insiders all think he's nuts because he's an open socialist and independent and he's pushing for changes they wouldn't have the balls to ever push publicly. The establishment ignores him because he wants to redistribute their money by helping the common working man/woman. The people of Vermont at first didn't want him either but once elected they learned to love him over the years for what he's done for them and that state. But at first they thought he was too radical too.

So I'll have to investigate why he was a supporter of such a thing before I make any final decision on it. Because it doesn't fit his typical MO at all.

I don't think anything matters other than the fact that Bernie is going after the scandals in politics. Lobbying, Loopholes for the rich, bribes, etc. Lately, no matter who's president nothing gets done. That's because of partisan politics. When these corporations are buying politicians, how are suppose to expect any type of change. If all politicians had to actually go out and work for their votes and win over the American people things would change. But rest assured, anything that benefits big business is top priority in congress. Nobody gives a # about the average american these days in D.C. and Bernie seems to be the only one wanting to work for us so far. That's why I like Bernie Sanders and why he will have my vote if he sticks to his current ideologies.