2 Police officers shot near Ferguson Police Department during protest

a reply to: stormbringer1701

Listened to it with some quality headphones and it sounds like 2 different guns at the same time with 2 different types of pops and the rate at which fired especially in the middle of the shooting you can distinctly hear them both go off at just about the same time

`a reply to: magnesiumbones

It's on the first page of this thread.

a reply to: magnesiumbones

So are you saying 3 or 4 shots fired???

Multiple guns seems correct though. I just don't think one guy is going to get off 3 to 4 shots that quick with that accuracy at night.

a reply to: mOjOm

I heard 3 from one gun and two for another...

just for giggles I decided to check out the police scanners for the police in St Louis and there all ofline. All the others are up just police and public safety are down

although the St Louis highway patrol scanner is still active

originally posted by: magnesiumbones
a reply to: stormbringer1701

Listened to it with some quality headphones and it sounds like 2 different guns at the same time with 2 different types of pops and the rate at which fired especially in the middle of the shooting you can distinctly hear them both go off at just about the same time

that is definitely a possibility but the (ground) ricohettes also means they fired a few without properly aiming as well as the precision shots. still. large caliber semiautomatic rifle(s) most probable. My impression is that most civilian people (young hoods, etc) with AKs don't bother to learn how to do precision fire with them yet this person or persons were marksman. the crowd got lucky. some of these shots were just in the general direction of the officers.

originally posted by: mOjOm
To hit two guys at night wouldn't be easy at all. You'd have to be real quick and experienced IMO to do it as only one guy depending on the weapon and distance and all.

Two would make more sense or military trained and practiced.

Also, it's not exactly typical of Street Thugs to use these kinds of tactics is it??? Or if they do, not with that kind of accuracy. Maybe they just got lucky though. What are you're thoughts on this guys??

Quoted everything because it's all worth repeating on a site like this one.

Going back and listening carefully, it sounded like the first (and maybe a second) shot came from a silenced weapon.

a reply to: Snarl

Ohhh man thank you I thought I was crazy cause I head silencers after the loud shots were fired you could hear it clearly with headphones but I chalked it up to camera noise

originally posted by: magnesiumbones
a reply to: Snarl

Ohhh man thank you I thought I was crazy cause I head silencers after the loud shots were fired you could hear it clearly with headphones but I chalked it up to camera noise

The recording quality is crap. I'd imagine the cops have already implemented audio surveillance. Have to pay attention and see if anything leaks. I only heard two un-silenced shots. ETA: Best guess is those came from a handgun, but too hard to tell due to audio quality.

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: magnesiumbones
a reply to: Snarl

Ohhh man thank you I thought I was crazy cause I head silencers after the loud shots were fired you could hear it clearly with headphones but I chalked it up to camera noise

The recording quality is crap. I'd imagine the cops have already implemented audio surveillance. Have to pay attention and see if anything leaks. I only heard two un-silenced shots. ETA: Best guess is those came from a handgun, but too hard to tell due to audio quality.

if it was a hand gun it had to be at short range. most hand guns are crap at more than a few yards. and under those circumstances witnesses would have certainly seen the perps and that would have been all over the reportage.

originally posted by: stormbringer1701

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: magnesiumbones
a reply to: Snarl

Ohhh man thank you I thought I was crazy cause I head silencers after the loud shots were fired you could hear it clearly with headphones but I chalked it up to camera noise

The recording quality is crap. I'd imagine the cops have already implemented audio surveillance. Have to pay attention and see if anything leaks. I only heard two un-silenced shots. ETA: Best guess is those came from a handgun, but too hard to tell due to audio quality.

if it was a hand gun it had to be at short range. most hand guns are crap at more than a few yards. and under those circumstances witnesses would have certainly seen the perps and that would have been all over the reportage.

I hear you. Wasn't there and only saying what I think from my armchair.

We know there was limited gunfire and two 'decent' hits confirmed on separate targets. Pretty good shooting if you ask me. A handgun would be a great distraction and add to the local chaos. Lots to be curious about here.

originally posted by: mOjOm
To hit two guys at night wouldn't be easy at all. You'd have to be real quick and experienced IMO to do it as only one guy depending on the weapon and distance and all.

Two would make more sense or military trained and practiced.

Also, it's not exactly typical of Street Thugs to use these kinds of tactics is it??? Or if they do, not with that kind of accuracy. Maybe they just got lucky though. What are you're thoughts on this guys??

My thoughts, honestly? It was probably one of the cops that was fired.

One of THESE guys. Most likely the 20 year veteran who was asked to resign... considering the 2 that got shot were from outside jurisdictions. At least that's what my gut's telling me.

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: mOjOm
To hit two guys at night wouldn't be easy at all. You'd have to be real quick and experienced IMO to do it as only one guy depending on the weapon and distance and all.

Two would make more sense or military trained and practiced.

Also, it's not exactly typical of Street Thugs to use these kinds of tactics is it??? Or if they do, not with that kind of accuracy. Maybe they just got lucky though. What are you're thoughts on this guys??

My thoughts, honestly? It was probably one of the cops that was fired.

Interesting.

a reply to: Bone75

well on youtube they already have the feed ready to go up about tensions rising after the shooting in Ferguson going live in 12 hours

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: stormbringer1701
The .223 is a popular cartridge in many rifles, both bolt action and semi automatic and need not be an AR platform. As to the ballistics of .223, the arcing flight pattern you described in another post is shared by all ballistic projectiles. The .223 is actually a very flat shooter due to its high velocity. By flat shooting I mean that the arc described by the flight path is very low which results in less extreme sight adjustments needed to make point of aim match point of impact at longer distances. Of course this is all meaningless speculation since we don't know what type of firearm was used.

originally posted by: stormbringer1701

originally posted by: IpoopThere4IAM
I wonder if the rounds were green tip .223.
The ammo they wanted to ban for the safety concerns of law enforcement officers.
If so, this is convenient timing indeed.

probably not. it takes quite a bit of marksmanship training and practice to use Ar-15 ghost ring iron sights at ranges of 250 meters and above effectively even in daylight. This is at night so the low light ring would have to be used and it is larger and has a larger CEP. one of these officers took a head shot. the AR 15 is a carbine and the M4 version is an even shorter barreled carbine. optimized for short range urban situations. if it was closer than that the perps would not have been able to get away. at the very least they would be made by dozens of videos. It could be a long range AR with a scope but again the AR is most effective at less than 300 yards and you have to know the ballistic characteristics to effectively engage targets at much more than 300 meters. the trajectory of AR rounds is a bit weird and not intuitive.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

Your post is complete BS.

What makes you think the AR HAD to have ghost ring sights? Most people I know have scopes or EOTechs on their AR's.

250 meters is childs play, even with 62gr..

Using only an EOTech sight and magnifier, I shoot out to 400 yards all day with v-max.

I'm guessing you just did a quick copy and paste job their with no real knowledge?

a reply to: doompornjunkie

Kids and their keyboards...

This place is plagued by them sometimes.

originally posted by: TiedDestructor
a reply to: doompornjunkie

Kids and their keyboards...

This place is plagued by them sometimes.

I had no idea Call of Duty was taken so literally these days!

I didn't wanna give him a heart attack and inform him that AR's are actually pretty effective out to 500-600 yards.. but hell with it.

I'm guess no report yet on what caliber might have been used so we can figure out what type of firearm was used?

Can't say I didn't see something like this coming, that area is a powder keg and what is sad I don't think this is it even going off just building more.

Are the police in that area waring cameras now like they said they would be? If they are they might have good chance at ID'ing the shooter. But looking over the photos I've seen I don't see any body cameras on the police. They're kind of hard to miss ugly over sized black box on the center of the chest or to the left side of it.

a reply to: doompornjunkie

The "explanations" about guns and ammo and tactics and abilities and blah blah blah has caused me to question nearly everything I know (knew?) about shooting.

Then I was all like "nope."

a reply to: stormbringer1701

I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but handguns are accurate to more than " a few yards". I guess it depends on your version of a few. I routinely shoot tight groups at 100 ft and with nothing more than a Glock 19 9mm. Many pistol shooters practice at 25 yards or greater. [ although for defensive shooting I don't know why they go past 10 ]
Maybe you can't hit at more than a few yards, but practice will help with that.