2 Police officers shot near Ferguson Police Department during protest

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: Skid Mark

It makes zero sense for anyone to start shooting cops, when the department is being held accountable.

What does make sense is that agent provacateurs would do so in order to take away from the progress that has begun since the report came out!

That or someone really, really wants to kick of a race war.

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: Skid Mark

It makes zero sense for anyone to start shooting cops, when the department is being held accountable.

What does make sense is that agent provacateurs would do so in order to take away from the progress that has begun since the report came out!

I usually would laugh at an explanation like that, but I'll admit. It's exactly what I thought when I heard the story.

a reply to: Shakawkaw

There are a number of reason the shooting could have happened.

1.Anger, mainly an angered protester. I'm lumping revenge in to this one.
2. Start a race war this is still could be a reason, but I'm not 100% sure who would want this.
3.PR note that it was two police that are not part of the Ferguson force that where shot, could target someone outside their own to stir up victim PR for the local police by not even hurting one of their own.

I'm sure this are more reason I can list if I think about ti long enough, but is my top three so far.

This is terrible. I hope the officers are OK. I wish them a quick recovery. Getting shot in the face is just unimaginable.

elementalgrove, I agree with your post, but wanted to address the statements you made with my view of the situation.

originally posted by: elementalgrove
It makes zero sense for anyone to start shooting cops, when the department is being held accountable.

Please bear with me here. While I HIGHLY disapprove of the police action in Ferguson over the past years, I can understand why the police target the black people there. The police force suffers from systemic racism. They see black people's lives as less valuable than white people's lives and they've also seen blacks as "a problem" to be dealt with. Police would stop, ticket, arrest and hassle people, simply because they're black. So, while I think it's despicable, I understand it.

By the same token, While I HIGHLY disapprove of last night's action in Ferguson, and assuming for now that the shooter was a black citizen of Ferguson, I can understand why they would shoot at a police officer there. The citizens suffer from that systemic racism prevalent in the police force. They see the police force as the enemy oppressors, and for good reason. And since black people have been hassled, simply because they're black, I can understand someone thinking, "I'll let them see what it's like to be punished just because they're the police". So, while I think it's despicable that these police were shot, I understand it.

This morning, I heard one of the cops say, "They were shot, just because they were police". The hurt and fury were apparent on his face. And I imagine that's the way many of the black citizens feel about the years of racism they've endured by the PD. Just because they're black.

Ultimately, this shows the danger of hating, fearing or taking action against someone just because of who they are. It hurts everyone. NOH8

What does make sense is that agent provacateurs would do so in order to take away from the progress that has begun since the report came out!

That absolutely makes sense to me, too.

I think the only way to move forward is to try to understand (not approve of) both sides of the matter and work to rid the town of systemic racism in the department AND the feeling of distrust and hatred among the citizens. The only way to do that is for the cops to become a force that can be trusted and respected AND for the citizens to give them the chance to prove themselves.

My thoughts are with the people there...

Who wants to go riot? Oh that's right we have common sense. I'm tried of these idiots ruining parts of America and the society we live in. I feel bad for the African American society because they will always be stuck in that stereotype because they have to live with a bunch of #ing cowards and morons.

I don't get how they want to change, been saying it for over 50 years, but yet they don't hold their race accountable for anything.

originally posted by: Skid Mark
I didn't know there were still protests going on there. I have a feeling things are going to get much uglier if they die. The cops are going to be busting even more heads.

And rightfully so. Mike Brown died because he acted illegally and, frankly, like a punk jackass, but the community doesn't seem to be willing or mentally able to accept that truth. There is nothing to indicate that these cops were doing anything wrong at the time of the shootings. They didn't deserve to get shot, but if the community was sincere about looking to have better LEO-citizen relations, they just "shot" that to sh*t.

Justice-Department reports or not, no one deserves to get shot when they are doing nothing wrong. If they do get shot, then there is every reason--especially in the atmosphere that Ferguson has created for itself--to start busting more heads because of it, because that type of deadly action should not be tolerated, and it's obvious that the community isn't going to stomp it out.

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
Who wants to go riot? Oh that's right we have common sense. I'm tried of these idiots ruining parts of America and the society we live in. I feel bad for the African American society because they will always be stuck in that stereotype because they have to live with a bunch of #ing cowards and morons.

I don't get how they want to change, been saying it for over 50 years, but yet they don't hold their race accountable for anything.

Just like you can't say all cops or precincts are bad because Ferguson's apprently is, the same applies to black communities in America. There are many who hold "their race" (makes more sense to say "their community") responsible for immaturity, violence and stupidity, but just because there are some that don't doesn't mean it's time to cast broad nets over the entirity of America's black communities. That's just ignorance--there are similar white communities that tend to act in very similar manners, but don't get the press because it's not a racial issue.

So much for any bridge building from Obama and Holder, they have managed to destroy everything MLK did in a matter of months...how sad.

Move over Sharpton, Jackson and Farrakhan, the new race hustling community organizers are taking over.

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: Skid Mark

It makes zero sense for anyone to start shooting cops, when the department is being held accountable.

What does make sense is that agent provacateurs would do so in order to take away from the progress that has begun since the report came out!

George Sorros paid $30 million to support the first Ferguson riots. He sent people from all round the country to agitate an already volatile situation.

What are his motives? He is a large donor to organizations like Acorn/ Obama election committee. It sounds like he has some end goal or he wouldn't invest such large amounts of cash. Smells fishy to me.

a reply to: buddah6

ACORN doesn't exist anymore, hasn't for years. George Soros "sent" people? Did George Soros also "send" the government the racist emails for the court's top clerk? Perhaps he also paid officers to over police the black citizenry as well?

What you're attempting to do is invalidate the very justified anger and frustration of the black community in Ferguson. Why?

a reply to: Battleline

Good thing we don't have "race hustlers" on Internet forums fomenting racial animus among white folks. Know what I mean?

a reply to: theantediluvian

ACORN has new names now ever since their multiple corruption exposures.

Yep sounded like a rifle to me too. Looks like an American Sniper here in The USA... they're gonna need better armor for the cops to stay out there. Everyone should just calm down, this is getting out of hand. Peace Arjunanda a reply to: starfoxxx

a reply to: Logarock

This is weird hours ago when this started the ferguson police scanners were offline for what ever reason just there scanners and none of the other st louis scanners were down but now when I wake up there is a man hunt underway appearantly and the scanners are all back online

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

originally posted by: stormbringer1701

originally posted by: IpoopThere4IAM
I wonder if the rounds were green tip .223.
The ammo they wanted to ban for the safety concerns of law enforcement officers.
If so, this is convenient timing indeed.

probably not. it takes quite a bit of marksmanship training and practice to use Ar-15 ghost ring iron sights at ranges of 250 meters and above effectively even in daylight. This is at night so the low light ring would have to be used and it is larger and has a larger CEP. one of these officers took a head shot. the AR 15 is a carbine and the M4 version is an even shorter barreled carbine. optimized for short range urban situations. if it was closer than that the perps would not have been able to get away. at the very least they would be made by dozens of videos. It could be a long range AR with a scope but again the AR is most effective at less than 300 yards and you have to know the ballistic characteristics to effectively engage targets at much more than 300 meters. the trajectory of AR rounds is a bit weird and not intuitive.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

Your post is complete BS.

What makes you think the AR HAD to have ghost ring sights? Most people I know have scopes or EOTechs on their AR's.

250 meters is childs play, even with 62gr..

Using only an EOTech sight and magnifier, I shoot out to 400 yards all day with v-max.

I'm guessing you just did a quick copy and paste job their with no real knowledge?

I fired quite a lot of 5.56 and .223 in my military career. I have also been exposed to larger calibers quite frequently. i suppose it is possible i qualified on the range twice a year with the very weapon and caliber in question and underwent other training for twenty years and yet know less than you on the subject but i kind of doubt it.

Acording to Fox News they have a manhunt out for the Gunman. As in One guy only.

They also say they think he used a hand gun from 125 yards away. No Rifle.

Hell of a shooter for a handgun hitting at 125 yards at night hitting 2 targets with 3 or maybe 4 shots total.

I'm calling BS on that report, No way a hand gun at 125 yards in the dark with multiple targets hit (One in the face). Yeah Right! Arjunanda a reply to: mOjOm

originally posted by: mOjOm
Acording to Fox News they have a manhunt out for the Gunman. As in One guy only.

They also say they think he used a hand gun from 125 yards away. No Rifle.

Hell of a shooter for a handgun hitting at 125 yards at night hitting 2 targets with 3 or maybe 4 shots total.

Ummm....yeah....that would be an insane shot to actually hit someone at night with a handgun. 125 yds with a pistol and actually hit the target? That sounds more like a professional shooter if true. I mean the drop at 125 years....that guy had to have been aiming more than a foot above the target and that doesn't even account for any windage.....crazy.

originally posted by: mOjOm
Acording to Fox News they have a manhunt out for the Gunman. As in One guy only.

They also say they think he used a hand gun from 125 yards away. No Rifle.

Hell of a shooter for a handgun hitting at 125 yards at night hitting 2 targets with 3 or maybe 4 shots total.

yeah. it can be done, mind you, not with most handguns though. professional trick shooters (cowboy entertainment circuit) can do it amazingly fast and people with a large caliber scoped handgun with slow careful aim. but other than the pro trick shooters no one does it and fires that fast. if it was a handgun i would really like to know make and model and kit. i was just saying your typical handgun and typical lowlife cannot hit anything more than 40 feet away. I know for sure that Army officers qualify at no more than that with their sidearm. I am not sure but i think LEOs also don't qualify at any more than that with thier handguns either. That said:

a scoped large caliber handgun (revolver) is precise enough to be used for hunting big game. and those cowboy trick shooters shoot lots of stuff with antique revolvers or replicas at unbelievable range with unbelievable speed.

a semi automatic pistol barrel when broken down is typically a very short unrifled pipe. typically about 3 inches long. sometimes less. (thinking about my glock here) there is nothing to stabilize the round and very little tube to constrain/establish the round on the gun target line. The revolvers have a longer barrel and sometimes rifled.