God is Love... Except when he's committing genocide...

a reply to: Prezbo369

Once again you cannot be serious here.

No you said:

"Biblical Love is obedience to God..not to man's logic and reason...not to men's feelings and sentiments. But to God and His Word."

So logic and reason are thrown out of the window and replaced with a vague 2000 year old book of stories about stories, and all of a sudden you want to reason? hmm. You should get you're beliefs and superstitions straight before attempting to argue their veracity.

I did say not to mans logic and reason. Simply because much of history and what it tells is missing from our understanding and knowledge today. You need to get your history straight before trying to pass this off as logic and reason ..enlightenment...Illumination. And it does say to reason together. But be very careful of what is attempted to pass for reason and logic today.

For most of the history of men...there have been wars and turmoil...among feudal nations. The standard form of government is Feudalism. With a priest Kings relationship. The crowns of the kings were often put on their head by the current priesthood and a single priesthood leader. This is called absolute power...Divine right of kings. Unlimited power to extract from the people. In every major nation and among the people there was only a feudal class/royalty, the serfs and the priesthood. There were also a limited class of craftsmen but they were not royalty.

This is the condition of men everywhere you looked among the major nations on this earth. This only began to change historically after 1519 AD in Germany.
Within two hundred years people began to notice that there was a difference in the standard of living between north Germany ..the lowland nations, and England.

For the northern Germany peoples had broken away from Rome and gone separate. So too with the lowland nations and also so too with England..broken away from Rome. People were able to keep more of their production and for what they worked and as a result their production and ideas around production increased rapidly and in a way it did not in the areas under Rome.

Todays education tries to play this off as race...when it was no such thing. For the white mans race profited him nothing before 1519..and white men everywhere lived as poorly as anywhere else white men or any other men were to be found. His Race profited him nothing.

This is the secret that public education and politics of this same god of public education are trying to hide and conceal from people while attributing everything to race. They are the racists today.

The white mans race profited him nothing....it was his religion which changed him .not his race.

And yet I watch you two on this thread and realize how pitiful you are for playing mostly to the flesh. You have no idea how much of the apple you have eaten. The flesh is the very best you have or ever will.

You tell on your own self .the very name of your god and religion...and know it not.

The Word does not speak of race as does man's logic and reason. The Word speaks of running a race or winning a race..not in terms of the flesh. People are referred to as nations.

This is also how I know how many racists are in government today...for race is all they have to prey on the peoples ignorance and ability to be intimidated by those having graduated with degrees from Public Education.

The very best you two will ever have is the flesh and the fruits of the flesh. NO problem by me. I just put Light on it verses what you call light...reason and logic.

Whatever changed the white man was never his race..for he always had that ..and it profited him nothing.

The white men were so stupid they ran around killing each other, often having human sacrifices, and painting themselves blue. This is the great historical white man??? Wow!! and I am talking some 1500 to 2000 years ago...Olde Testament times.

So too were many other of the most noted kingdoms and religions. This is recorded history.

In like manner ..todays men of logic and reason..the best they have Is race, sex, and sexuality. Astonishing. Not a big improvement from the Pagan nations recorded ...In the Roman rites of Venus, Demeter, and other religions.

You can find some of this history and informations on other religions and customs/traditions in

Alexander Hislop's "The Two Babylons" circa 1912.


I don't call that progress. You call it whatever you want but I don't call it progress.
I prefer to think that people can be much much more than race, sex, and sexuality.

I don't call it progress and greatness when you have a people out here in government teaching our children all about sex and sexuality before they know how to earn a living for themselves. I call that putting the cart before the horse.
I call it de evolution. And it is not smart.

I don't want to spend or waste my every waking moment worried about the sex, sexuality, or race of other people.
I don't want to waste my time and efforts viewing the world through these prisms. It is a guaranteed way to become the very thing that someone wants to brand or label you for power and control over us.

An apparent god that loves and hates, it's almost asthough it's just a mere human....

LOL LOL LOL...I keep telling you that you have the cart before the horse....and are obviously of that pattern. For the Word also teaches us to observe for patterns.

Know you not that man is created in Gods Image..not the other way around as you try to display.
Once again you tell of your religion and your god." The good god."

Thanks Obama....right? you can't help yourself can you?

Actually I was not going to go here..but since you brought this up and seem to think this is "peak performance" a real apogee...out there in orbit.

What do you think it means when people are telling this President that he is not a King??? Numerous people have made this point in the news of late. Most of the media try to avoid it..but I understood it the very first time I heard it. As a Scotsman ..you of all people should know this history...for some of it involved Scotland.

I don't believe this is any longer taught in public schools..even in college level today.

Anyone that has to describe themselves as 'the Salt of the earth' is anything but. However salted fish were often kept in barrels.

LOL LOL LOL...more flesh...no problem Bon Appetit.

Thanks,
Orangetom

a reply to: Entreri06

Yea because governments haven't built every single piece of infer structure period. Every road, every light pole , every everything. Before governments there were no roads even!!

There is no society that has come anywhere near being modern without a government. There is no economy without roads !!!!


Please name one society that has been sucessful without a government???

Good grief..Entreri 06. You are seriously kidding here right?? Again!!??

People who know..also know that government does not build anything ..ever...except more government.

What government does is borrow or print the monies and then go to civilian industries to get things built. What on earth are you possibly thinking. Anyone with any skills and abilities does not go to work for government ...they go into private industries where the rewards for having skills and abilities are better than in government.

Anything built by government itself is going to cost ten to twenty times as much and most likely be much less dependable than anything built by private industry...and take ten to twenty times as long.

What are you thinking here??

Wow!!!


Orangetom

a reply to: Entreri06

Let's not forget that Muslims are responsible for the actions of other Muslims but it is 100% fair for Christians to not be responsible for Christian actions of the past.

Of what past actions are you speaking here...]Entreri06??

Orangetom

originally posted by: orangetom1999
a reply to: Entreri06

Yea because governments haven't built every single piece of infer structure period. Every road, every light pole , every everything. Before governments there were no roads even!!

There is no society that has come anywhere near being modern without a government. There is no economy without roads !!!!


Please name one society that has been sucessful without a government???

Good grief..Entreri 06. You are seriously kidding here right?? Again!!??

People who know..also know that government does not build anything ..ever...except more government.

What government does is borrow or print the monies and then go to civilian industries to get things built. What on earth are you possibly thinking. Anyone with any skills and abilities does not go to work for government ...they go into private industries where the rewards for having skills and abilities are better than in government.

Anything built by government itself is going to cost ten to twenty times as much and most likely be much less dependable than anything built by private industry...and take ten to twenty times as long.

What are you thinking here??

Wow!!!


Orangetom

What society was successful without a government??

originally posted by: orangetom1999
a reply to: Entreri06

Let's not forget that Muslims are responsible for the actions of other Muslims but it is 100% fair for Christians to not be responsible for Christian actions of the past.

Of what past actions are you speaking here...]Entreri06??

Orangetom

Sarcasm

originally posted by: Entreri06

originally posted by: orangetom1999
a reply to: Entreri06

Yea because governments haven't built every single piece of infer structure period. Every road, every light pole , every everything. Before governments there were no roads even!!

There is no society that has come anywhere near being modern without a government. There is no economy without roads !!!!


Please name one society that has been sucessful without a government???

Good grief..Entreri 06. You are seriously kidding here right?? Again!!??

People who know..also know that government does not build anything ..ever...except more government.

What government does is borrow or print the monies and then go to civilian industries to get things built. What on earth are you possibly thinking. Anyone with any skills and abilities does not go to work for government ...they go into private industries where the rewards for having skills and abilities are better than in government.

Anything built by government itself is going to cost ten to twenty times as much and most likely be much less dependable than anything built by private industry...and take ten to twenty times as long.

What are you thinking here??

Wow!!!


Orangetom

What society was successful without a government??

Native Americans?

originally posted by: Eunuchorn

originally posted by: Entreri06

originally posted by: orangetom1999
a reply to: Entreri06

Yea because governments haven't built every single piece of infer structure period. Every road, every light pole , every everything. Before governments there were no roads even!!

There is no society that has come anywhere near being modern without a government. There is no economy without roads !!!!


Please name one society that has been sucessful without a government???

Good grief..Entreri 06. You are seriously kidding here right?? Again!!??

People who know..also know that government does not build anything ..ever...except more government.

What government does is borrow or print the monies and then go to civilian industries to get things built. What on earth are you possibly thinking. Anyone with any skills and abilities does not go to work for government ...they go into private industries where the rewards for having skills and abilities are better than in government.

Anything built by government itself is going to cost ten to twenty times as much and most likely be much less dependable than anything built by private industry...and take ten to twenty times as long.

What are you thinking here??

Wow!!!


Orangetom

What society was successful without a government??

Native Americans?

First off they were socialists, the opposite from what orange is pushing.


Secondly they did have tribal councils who governed the tribe. So I'm not sure that Indians would qualify.

Lastly, can they be considered successful if they were wiped out by the First Nation they encountered.

They are a good example of what militias vs a military gets ya...


There have been no governmentless nations or regions who flourished.


Capitolism only works if government provides and maintains an infer structure.

originally posted by: FathersGrace
a reply to: NOTurTypical

Thank you, my friend, and this time, I did intend to reply to you!


Blessings!

No problem, welcome to ATS. I love your user name.

a reply to: Entreri06

do you understand the word internal and external? Is the human brain external or internal of the human body or head?

Who cares about your or others drug habits and what and how certain substances effect them, they have no place in this discussion.

Certain emotions trigger certain chemicals in the brain but so do foods and other substances like you said so love has no measure but the reactions it causes in the brain does.

You might need to experience it without substances to know what some call love.

originally posted by: orangetom1999
a reply to: Prezbo369
I did say not to mans logic and reason. Simply because much of history and what it tells is missing from our understanding and knowledge today.

Lol why do people like you always attempt to claim to hold information that the rest of the world is blind to?

Is it because you're very special?

You need to get your history straight before trying to pass this off as logic and reason ..enlightenment...Illumination. And it does say to reason together. But be very careful of what is attempted to pass for reason and logic today.

For most of the history of men...there have been wars and turmoil...among feudal nations. The standard form of government is Feudalism. With a priest Kings relationship. The crowns of the kings were often put on their head by the current priesthood and a single priesthood leader. This is called absolute power...Divine right of kings. Unlimited power to extract from the people. In every major nation and among the people there was only a feudal class/royalty, the serfs and the priesthood.

What does the class system have to do with the tools of logic and reason?

Seems like you're rambling already...

This is the condition of men everywhere you looked among the major nations on this earth. This only began to change historically after 1519 AD in Germany.
Within two hundred years people began to notice that there was a difference in the standard of living between north Germany ..the lowland nations, and England.

Yes we've had a class system for a long time, we had one even before we climbed down from the trees......so what?

It has nothing to do with the fact that logic and reason has helped push mankind higher than any old book of superstitions, that we shouldve grown out of around 1900 years ago, ever could.

For the northern Germany peoples had broken away from Rome and gone separate. So too with the lowland nations and also so too with England..broken away from Rome. People were able to keep more of their production and for what they worked and as a result their production and ideas around production increased rapidly and in a way it did not in the areas under Rome.

Ah so youre not fond of Catholics, ok....so what?

Todays education tries to play this off as race...when it was no such thing. For the white mans race profited him nothing before 1519..and white men everywhere lived as poorly as anywhere else white men or any other men were to be found. His Race profited him nothing.

And here you are bringing white privilege into the mix, not really surprising though lol

This is the secret that public education and politics of this same god of public education are trying to hide and conceal from people while attributing everything to race. They are the racists today.

You keep mentioning 'public education' and yet you give the impression haven't got a clue what that entails. But you do have another secret, hidden from the rest of the world.....because you're so very special.

The white mans race profited him nothing....it was his religion which changed him .not his race.

And not the areas and climates said folk migrated to......lol

Yep you need some 'public education'...or just any for that matter....

And yet I watch you two on this thread and realize how pitiful you are for playing mostly to the flesh. You have no idea how much of the apple you have eaten. The flesh is the very best you have or ever will.

You tell on your own self .the very name of your god and religion...and know it not.

Attempting to talk like an apostle just comes across as desperate.

I'll take the flesh, you can have 'the spirit' whatever that is to you....

The Word does not speak of race as does man's logic and reason. The Word speaks of running a race or winning a race..not in terms of the flesh. People are referred to as nations.

You forget (unsurprisingly and conveniently) that your god chose to endorse slavery and the owning of our fellow human beings as property, which led directly to slavery in the Americas and all the horrors therein, and that is how the bible has been detrimental in that respect. (and your god's apparent favoritism of the Israelites is a form of racism, btw).

This is also how I know how many racists are in government today...for race is all they have to prey on the peoples ignorance and ability to be intimidated by those having graduated with degrees from Public Education.

This is mere projection....if those with degrees gained via public education (the horror!...) intimidate you then you should look into why that is, as the vast majority of people are not intimidated by a degree...and im 100% certain you are the last person to ask on what is and what isn't racist...

The very best you two will ever have is the flesh and the fruits of the flesh. NO problem by me. I just put Light on it verses what you call light...reason and logic.

Yes the very best we have is cold hard reality, whereas you will always have your fantasies.

Whatever changed the white man was never his race..for he always had that ..and it profited him nothing.

This crap again? did Cliven Bundy call you?

The white men were so stupid they ran around killing each other, often having human sacrifices, and painting themselves blue. This is the great historical white man??? Wow!! and I am talking some 1500 to 2000 years ago...Olde Testament times.

Whoever said the white man was great? oh and BTW 1500 years ago was not OT times or even close, but the fact you got it incorrect is again, unsurprisingly.

[quote don't call that progress. You call it whatever you want but I don't call it progress.
I prefer to think that people can be much much more than race, sex, and sexuality.

They are, who said they were not? more ramblings...

I don't call it progress and greatness when you have a people out here in government teaching our children all about sex and sexuality before they know how to earn a living for themselves. I call that putting the cart before the horse.
I call it de evolution. And it is not smart.

They need to learn both, to leave one out would be neglectful of our youth.

I keep telling you that you have the cart before the horse....and are obviously of that pattern. For the Word also teaches us to observe for patterns.

'for the word'......lol....do you think your god is reading this thread or something?

Know you not that man is created in Gods Image..not the other way around as you try to display.
Once again you tell of your religion and your god." The good god."

Yep I think you actually do think your god is reading this thread lol hilarious.

Your god is just a desert superstition, made by a man and like all previous gods, it acts like a man too. *shocking*

Actually I was not going to go here..but since you brought this up......

....your a walking talking caricature? I was right about evolution and climate change wasn't I? lol

White privalidge exists, and so does the fact that Obama was voted into office twice.....deal with it.

originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: greyer

. . . the bible does not say God is love . . .

2 Corinthians 13:11 Then the God of love and peace will be with you . . .
1 John 4:8 But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love. ...
1 John 4:16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

I answered this in my post. Yes, you have your teachings from Paul and the Greek. I have my teachings from Jesus and from the Jews. My teachings are lost to history. Your teachings have brainwashed the whole world. John is the least creditable gospel, written at the latest time form the time of Jesus. And Paul is just not creditable. Do you remember that Peter discredited Paul in his teachings?

But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.

That is the man who you are listening to, that is his version, and here is Peter's version:

How did Jesus appear to you when you entertain opinions contrary to his teachings?

I have read from Peter, and I have read from Paul. It is obvious only when you study in depth that Paul's teachings are incorrect. So let us ask like Peter, why do You entertain opinions contrary to the teachings of Jesus?

a reply to: greyer

Do you remember that Peter discredited Paul in his teachings?

Have you ever heard of 2 Peter? Written by his own hand close to the time of his death?

15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

Don't be ignorant and unstable.

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: Entreri06

do you understand the word internal and external? Is the human brain external or internal of the human body or head?

Who cares about your or others drug habits and what and how certain substances effect them, they have no place in this discussion.

Certain emotions trigger certain chemicals in the brain but so do foods and other substances like you said so love has no measure but the reactions it causes in the brain does.

You might need to experience it without substances to know what some call love.

You have it backwards.... Love is the way your body precieved the chemical reactions in the brain. Not love causes the reactions.... Love is the effect not the cause. As proof of that I gave an example of how you can experience love chemically no matter how much your "soul" doesn't want you to. Aka loving your worst enemy because your on MDMA.

You classified live as some intangible thing that exists with or with out a brain. So I showed how love is really just a chemical reaction. So yea my response was at least as on topic as yours.... Plus I'm the OP, so house rules lol.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: greyer

Do you remember that Peter discredited Paul in his teachings?

Have you ever heard of 2 Peter? Written by his own hand close to the time of his death?

15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

Don't be ignorant and unstable.

Off topic but how can anyone buy into ANY of Paul's teachings when he never even met Jesus.... His unique take on Christianity comes 100% from voices in his head....

a reply to: Entreri06

Off topic but how can anyone buy into ANY of Paul's teachings when he never even met Jesus.... His unique take on Christianity comes 100% from voices in his head....

Read Acts 15.

originally posted by: orangetom1999
a reply to: Entreri06

Let's not forget that Muslims are responsible for the actions of other Muslims but it is 100% fair for Christians to not be responsible for Christian actions of the past.

Of what past actions are you speaking here...]Entreri06??

Orangetom

Faith healers who with hold anti biotics, snake handlers, segregation, South Africa apartide, hitler and most of the German people were Christian, KKK , exc exc exc..

Acts 15 is. About circumsistion???

originally posted by: Entreri06

Acts 15 is. About circumsistion???

No, Acts 15 is the first Jerusalem Council called to address the heresy by some Judaizers that Gentile Christians were bound to follow the Mosaic Law. And all the apostles were present for it, even Paul. He was accounted as one of them by the rest of them.

originally posted by: Entreri06

originally posted by: orangetom1999
a reply to: Entreri06

Let's not forget that Muslims are responsible for the actions of other Muslims but it is 100% fair for Christians to not be responsible for Christian actions of the past.

Of what past actions are you speaking here...]Entreri06??

Orangetom

Faith healers who with hold anti biotics, snake handlers, segregation, South Africa apartide, hitler and most of the German people were Christian, KKK , exc exc exc..

Well Hell, if we are going to include apostates and cults let's add Jim Jones, David Koresh and Fred Phelps!

originally posted by: NOTurTypical

originally posted by: Entreri06

Acts 15 is. About circumsistion???

No, Acts 15 is the first Jerusalem Council called to address the heresy by some Judaizers that Gentile Christians were bound to follow the Mosaic Law. And all the apostles were present for it, even Paul. He was accounted as one of them by the rest of them.

But he still never met Jesus right??


That explaines why I googled "acts 15" summary" and got circumsistion debate.