Israel set to make Arabs second class citizens

a reply to: buster2010

When India was part of the British Empire did they still think of themselves as Indians or Brits?

Most of them didn't speak English, so they probably referred to themselves by tribe or caste.

Israel is a Jewish state, for and about Jews? Well, I'm glad we cleared that up! What is the point of this statement? It simply reaffirms the law as it is. As far as the Arabs are concerned, Israel is a Crusader State, in that it represents the latest Western takeover of Palestine. I'm not against Israel, but this pointless flag-waving just antagonizes the Palestinians.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: daaskapital

Well,

My give a crap meter on "offending" muslims is at an all time low today.

Show me one place in a Muslim country which tolerates other religions as well as Israel tolerates theirs and then I might care once that miracle happens.


Hippocrates will be Hippocrates.

Ok here's a few. Syria, Malaysia, Bangladesh and Indonesia.

You need a new avatar because YOU really don't know what you are talking about:

SYRIA - Ha! That is like saying Nazi Germany was a great place for Jewish religious tolerance in the early 1940's.

www.opendoorsuk.org...

Population: 21.8 million (1.3 million Christians)

Source of Persecution: Islamic extremism

As the civil conflict inside Syria becomes more and more sectarian, targeted violence against Christians has escalated. The Syrian opposition is increasingly 'Islamising' and Christians are becoming more vulnerable in all spheres of life. Many Christians were reported to have been abducted, physically harmed or killed, and many churches damaged or destroyed. On 21 October, Islamist militias invaded the ancient Christian settlement of Sadad, killing at least 45 people and injuring many more.

It will come as no surprise that Syria continues to rise on the World Watch List. In the context of the civil war, violence has increased in general, and the rise of extremist Islamist elements has put greater pressure on Christians.

Last year, Open Doors received many reports of Christians being abducted, physically harmed and killed. Many churches are damaged or destroyed, in many cases deliberately.

The massacre of Christians in the Christian settlement of Sada was described by Archbishop Selwanos of the Syriac Orthodox Metropolitan of Homs and Hama as "the largest massacre of Christians in Syria and the second in the Middle East after the one in the Church of Our Lady of Salvation in Iraq in 2010. We have shouted out to the world, but no-one has listened to us. Where is the Christian conscience? Where is human consciousness? Where are my brothers?"



MALAYSIA

Population: 30.2 million (2.9 million Christians)
Main Religion: Islam

Source of Persecution: Islamic extremism/organized corruption

Officially, Malaysia's constitution protects religious freedom, but the Prime Minister's support for human rights is limited to rights which fall 'within the boundaries set by Islam'. It is almost impossible for a Malay Muslim to convert to Christianity. All conversions must be affirmed by a Sharia court, and the process requires converts to spend three months in a re-education centre for reconsideration. Evangelising Muslims is forbidden. In five states conversion is a criminal offence punishable by a fine or jail term.

Believers of a Malay (and therefore Muslim) background face far more difficulties. They not only face pressure from family, neighbourhood and friends, but also from the state. Once a convert is found, he can be sent to a re-education centre and held until he agrees to reconvert. Several Muslim-background believers have had to leave their families and communities. Some have even been forced to leave the country in order to escape re-education. Despite the harsh rules on conversion, there are few reports on violence against Christians. Violence occurs, but is not a necessary means in a society where pressure is so high.

BANGLADESH

Population: 156.4 million (1.2 million Christians)
Main Religion: Islam
Source of Persecution: Islamic extremism

Bangladesh has a secular government and a constitution that provides for religious freedom, yet it is officially an Islamic state. The country does not have blasphemy laws or an anti-conversion bill, but Islamic extremist groups use political means such as strikes and rallies to try to push the government to modify the constitution and establish Islamic law. As the Christian minority grows, it faces more restrictions and challenges. Imams and influential Muslims persecute Christian believers, especially converts from Islam. Christians also face persecution from family and neighbors.

In July 2013, a pastor was killed and at least five churches and two Bible schools destroyed, damaged or closed. There have been several cases of Christian women and girls being raped. Converts face the additional danger of forced marriages.

INDONESIA
Population: 249.6 million (35.5 million Christians)
Main Religion: Islam
Source of Persecution: Islamic extremism

There are a significant number of extremist Islamic organisations operating here that use strict religious interpretations to justify the implementation of Islamic law and the infringement of the rights of religious minorities. Though they do not have strong political representation, their influence is widespread as they take to the streets and steer public opinion. The level of violence against Christians is quite high, especially compared to other countries in south-east Asia. More than ten churches were attacked or closed last year.

Some Christians have been detained on false charges of proselytising and blasphemy. Muslim-background believers often face physical abuse, and sometimes have to flee their homes and relocate elsewhere. Many churches find it extremely difficult to obtain a permit, even if they have met all the necessary requirements.

Well, any other shining examples of that wonderful Islamic tolerance for other religions or are these the best?

What do you think all you Infidels are to the Muslin world?


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originally posted by: Xtrozero
What do you think all you Infidels are to the Muslin world?


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Well we are not infidels. I work in the Muslim world and they are nice people. Only ignorant Muslims portrayed by the media call us Infidels. The run of the mill Muslim does not.

People are too easily manipulated by the Media into thinking Muslims are Terrorists and or hate people from the West. Nothing could be farther from the truth!

a reply to: daaskapital

The truth is Arabs have ALWAYS been second, third and fourth class citizens in their own country since the Zionists took root and stole their country from under them.

Come to that, pretty much every non-Israeli or Jew, Arab or not everywhere in the world is a second class citizen in the eyes of Israelis, they really are that arrogant and deluded.

Now the relationship between Israelis and Palestinians gets worse!

Relations between Israelis and Palestinians have descended into a dangerous melee of tit-for-tat attacks and killings, with the violence of the past few weeks centred on Jerusalem. The city, claimed by Israel as its “undivided capital”, has been torn apart by clashes between Israeli police and Palestinian residents since the summer, when 16-year-old Mohammed Abu Khdeir was burnt alive by Jewish extremists.

Subsequent attacks by Palestinians culminated last week in a shooting and stabbing spree by two cousins at a synagogue that killed four Jews and an Israeli policeman. In this atmosphere, both sides have warned that the political conflict is mutating into a religious one.

The Israeli filth are doing everything they can to get violence to escalate! They need another excuse to bombard Gaza again!

Palestinians, not Israelis, are again the ones suffering, this time after last week’s synagogue attack.

Israel has begun demolishing the homes of those involved in recent attacks, and is drafting laws to jail stone-throwers for up to 20 years and harshly penalise the parents of those too young to be jailed themselves.

Palestinians always suffer at the hands of Israelis. It's an all too telling confrontation being supported and manipulated by Israel. From relaxing Gun laws so Extremist Jews can carry guns and shoot Palestinians to people getting their homes bulldozed, Palestinian kids being raped by the Israeli IDF Filth and if you read this article there was an innocent Bus driver lynched by Jews just because he was a Palestinian!

Disgusting Jews of Israel give Jews worldwide a bad name!

Israel's Model Of Political Dispair In Jerusalem!

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: daaskapital

The truth is Arabs have ALWAYS been second, third and fourth class citizens in their own country since the Zionists took root and stole their country from under them.

Come to that, pretty much every non-Israeli or Jew, Arab or not everywhere in the world is a second class citizen in the eyes of Israelis, they really are that arrogant and deluded.

How much time have you spent visiting Israel that you can make this statement?

a reply to: Tedgoat

The Israeli filth are doing everything they can to get violence to escalate!

Yeah, like those commuters who deliberately ran in front of that car last week.You need to get out of whatever Muslim country you are living in and spend a week visiting Israel. See what it's like trying to eat at a falafel stand wondering if some lunatic is going to blow himself up next to you. The circle of violence is a circle. If the Palestinians want to build their country in peace, they will need to practice peace, just as the Israelis need to offer peace to the Palestinians. Neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians are going anywhere, so the hate speech needs to stop and the "love talk" needs to start.

originally posted by: Tedgoat
People are too easily manipulated by the Media into thinking Muslims are Terrorists and or hate people from the West. Nothing could be farther from the truth!

I spent years over there too and in many countries, The Saudis and Kuwaitis see anyone else as inferior to them, so do the Japanese. Try become a citizen of any of those countries...hehe

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
Exactly what here do you disagree with and find offensive?

How about this for starters.

the State of Israel is democratic

It seems that both you and the nation of Israel needs to learn what makes a Democracy. In a Democracy everyone is equal and certainly no one group is above all others. Every time Israel calls itself a Democracy they dirty the word. If you want to know what else is offensive when it comes to Israel just ask.

So there is no problem. Your definition provided is just that, yours. It is not the definition.


democracy
[dih-mok-ruh-see]
noun, plural democracies.

government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

originally posted by: Tedgoat

The Israeli filth are doing everything they can to get violence to escalate! They need another excuse to bombard Gaza again!

Palestinians, not Israelis, are again the ones suffering, this time after last week’s synagogue attack.

Israel has begun demolishing the homes of those involved in recent attacks, and is drafting laws to jail stone-throwers for up to 20 years and harshly penalise the parents of those too young to be jailed themselves.

So Palestinians attack and suffer for it and that makes Israel bad? Hilarious. How about they stop the violence.

a reply to: infolurker

SYRIA - Ha! That is like saying Nazi Germany was a great place for Jewish religious tolerance in the early 1940's.

The Christians that actually live in Syria say the president protects Christians and it a safe place for them to live unlike your little Christians are being prosecuted propaganda site. Christians never had any problems there until the Western backed rebels started the war.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Tedgoat

The Israeli filth are doing everything they can to get violence to escalate! They need another excuse to bombard Gaza again!

Palestinians, not Israelis, are again the ones suffering, this time after last week’s synagogue attack.

Israel has begun demolishing the homes of those involved in recent attacks, and is drafting laws to jail stone-throwers for up to 20 years and harshly penalise the parents of those too young to be jailed themselves.

So Palestinians attack and suffer for it and that makes Israel bad? Hilarious. How about they stop the violence.

Think you can give that advice to Israel? Or are you one of these people that thinks Israel does no wrong.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Tedgoat

The Israeli filth are doing everything they can to get violence to escalate! They need another excuse to bombard Gaza again!

Palestinians, not Israelis, are again the ones suffering, this time after last week’s synagogue attack.

Israel has begun demolishing the homes of those involved in recent attacks, and is drafting laws to jail stone-throwers for up to 20 years and harshly penalise the parents of those too young to be jailed themselves.

So Palestinians attack and suffer for it and that makes Israel bad? Hilarious. How about they stop the violence.

Think you can give that advice to Israel? Or are you one of these people that thinks Israel does no wrong.

Maybe Palestinians should stop attacking and Israel will stop retaliating. Of course Israel does wrong, but there is only one side that has NEVER agreed to peace, until they do I can empathize with Israel.

Go read some history, Palestinians started the conflict and have kept it going ever since, they are the only group to refuse peace with Israel (and Iraq, but they had a defacto peace).

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: daaskapital

The truth is Arabs have ALWAYS been second, third and fourth class citizens in their own country since the Zionists took root and stole their country from under them.

Come to that, pretty much every non-Israeli or Jew, Arab or not everywhere in the world is a second class citizen in the eyes of Israelis, they really are that arrogant and deluded.

You are completely uninformed. Palestinians were offered a 2 state solution, they refused and invaded Israel to create 1 state under Islamic rule. Israel won and again asked for peace, Palestinians refused peace again, refused a 2 state solution, and have opted for war ever since. Learn history before you speak.

originally posted by: teamcommander
a reply to: CommandoJoe

From reading your reply I don't think you are grasping my point.
The simple recognition of the rights of others, as citizens of a country, is a large step ahead of what is being proposed in this bill.

To your other piont, I have heard very little about rock or bottle throwing in Israel, except by Israeli settlers at Palesintians.
From what I read and hear the main places where this happens is in the occupied areas which are not yet recognized as part of Israel.

ON second thought, maybe you are making this statement from the Palestinian point of view.

The Arab citizens of Israel already have all the same civil rights... One difference that I do know of, is they are not required to serve in the IDF (but they can if they want to), many would consider that a benefit that the rest of the population of Israel doesn't enjoy. I still haven't seen anyone post how this law would make them second class citizens. As I said before, other than reaffirming Israel as a Jewish state, the only thing I see proposed is revocation of citizenship/government benefits if they take action against Israel or support terrorism - for which many other countries already have punishments in place... For those that live peacefully there is no change (That I know of).
In the US it can result in execution:

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

In the West Bank, the PA can give Palestinians the death penalty for treason... In most countries the maximum penalty is life in prison - I would say the proposed Israeli legislation is pretty tame in comparison.

en.wikipedia.org...


As to stone throwing by Palestinians, I hear about it all the time, but then again I live here. There is quite a bit of it going on in Jerusalem lately, so much so that the US State Dept has issued warnings related to Jerusalem. A police officer was recently injured when they shot fireworks (A new trend) at him.

Jerusalem

U.S. citizens visiting and living in Jerusalem should be aware of the numerous political, cultural, and religious tensions that permeate the city. These sensitivities have the potential to fuel protest-related activities, clashes, and civil unrest. Protest activities have occurred within the Old City and areas around Salah Ed-Din Street, Damascus Gate, Silwan, and the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhoods. Recently, demonstrations and clashes have occurred in several East Jerusalem areas, such as Shufat, Beit Hanina, Mt. of Olives, As Suwaneh, Abu Deis, Silwan, Shuafat Refugee Camp, inside the Old City (near Lions Gate), Issawiyeh, and Tsur Baher. Such events have recently resulted in violence between protesters and Israeli National Police (INP). The intensity of these violent clashes appears to have diminished, although the possibility of renewed clashes remains, mainly during evening hours. The INP continues to deploy a heavy presence in many of the neighborhoods that have seen clashes and may restrict vehicular traffic to some of these neighborhoods without notice. The clashes and demonstrations have not been anti-American in nature to date, but U.S. citizens are advised not to enter any neighborhoods restricted by the INP and to avoid any locations with active clashes. Since June 2014, Jerusalem has seen a marked increase in random violent activities. These random acts of violence have not been anti-American in nature, yet underscore the sometimes volatile nature of the current local security environment.

Travelers are reminded to exercise caution at Muslim religious sites on Fridays and on holy days, particularly during the holy month of Ramadan. There has recently been an increased police presence near the Damascus Gate, particularly on Fridays. The INP often imposes restrictions on visitors to the Old City’s Temple Mount/ Haram al-Sharif. Travelers should be aware that the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif is often closed without warning by the INP. Additionally, sporadic demonstrations can lead to violent clashes. U.S. government employees are prohibited from entering the Old City on Fridays during Ramadan due to congestion and security-related access restrictions.

U.S. citizens are advised to avoid open air public parks after dark as they are poorly lit and policed. There have been numerous reports received of after dark criminal activity associated with these parks.

While U.S. government employees are authorized to use the light rail system in Jerusalem, there has been an increase in individuals throwing stones at light rail trains, particularly near Shufat and along the northern end of the route.

a reply to: CommandoJoe

I asked that earlier, no one can answer. It's just an excuse to bash Israel.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Just an excuse to bash Israel?

Why would people want to do that? Israel is a peace loving country that accepts all different people from different religions and cultures.

Ha ha! Yeah right!!

A country that shouldn't actually exist. Built upon the suffering and death of Jews, Christians and Muslims. A country with an ideology that has managed to convince the very people they persecuted and slaughtered in WW2 that they are the Chosen People, chosen by God to take back their land and quash any dissidents that are not Jewish. Of course this is just the excuse!

Israel is a Zionist stronghold. Created so they can take over the Middle East. To create their "Greater Israel" expansion. The creation of this "Greater Israel" has caused the war on Iraq, the 2006 war on Lebanon, the 2011 war on Libya, the ongoing war on Syria and the process of regime change in Egypt.

"Greater Israel" consists of an area extending from the Nile Valley to the Euphrates. Their so called Promised Land!

Palestine is of no consequence to the Zionists who will eventually eradicate the Palestinian people either by expelling them from Gaza and or as usual finding an excuse to murder them. This is why Netanyahu is throwing his dummy out of his pram every time a country votes to recognize a Palestinian State! This is why they keep coming up with new laws and bills that persecute the Palestinians even more and make it even more difficult for them to survive!

Ever heard of the Yinon Plan? This is a British design for the Colonization of the Middle East! The Zionists are using this plan for the take over and control of Middle Eastern States Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, the Sinai and parts of Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

This is why Israel along with it's minions, the US, UK, EU, Turkey, Saudi Arabia etc are busy breaking up these countries and causing chaos and dividing the people according to sect and religion.

Israel and the US along with their Warmongering allies created ISIS so they can achieve this.

And Palestine? Well that will soon never be. The Promised Land of Israel will be in it's place.

That's if the people of the Western World let the Fascist Nazi Israeli's get away with it!

originally posted by: Tedgoat

A country that shouldn't actually exist.

Thanks for proving my point!