Inmate's execution takes nearly TWO HOURS!

originally posted by: Kryties


So you know this for absolute certain do you?

Yup

Its medically documented opiate OD'd

originally posted by: Kryties

Can you provide a link to a source which states that this has been tested and proven?

Just google heroin or Opiate OD. Dont know if I can post as may break the T&C's on drugs.

But plenty of people who have OD on opiates and Benzo's have been saved and can tell there story's. Plus opiate and Benzo OD's are medically documented.

originally posted by: Kryties
Or perhaps are you speaking from personal experience of having been executed?

Actually I do.

Been given Morphine in high dose before (In a legal medical setting mods) and went off into fairy land. Wouldn't have known what was going on around me.

Ok It was not a over dose. But the fact is with opiates you dont know you have overdosed! It why heroin addicts die so dammed easily!

originally posted by: Kryties
Didn't think so.

Yes I do think so.

Id think twice on being so smug or know it all about medical issue you know nothing about.


PS
Im anti Death penalty. No this guy should not have been executed. But he did NOT suffer. He got off easy in my books.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Kryties
I know what the pain of a 1 inch kidney stone lodged in the renal pelvis is like, consequently, I know what it is like to be jacked up on Demerol. There's no pain. If they give you too much, you go night-night... a little more, dirt nap.

No pain... no consciousness.

Exactly

Opiates are good painkillers for a reason. They are also restricted for a dammed good reason, you can easily OD without knowing.

originally posted by: 3u40r15m

Don't worry about what I've done.

On the contrary, you publicly admitted to getting 'street justice' on someone by torturing and/or murdering them. I would say EVERYONE needs to worry about what you've done.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Fair enough. But I'm sure the family took pleasure

a reply to: lovebeck

These are pretty horrible.

I read one execution, after the traditional drugs were no longer available, was performed with hydromorphone (like a 200 mg dose or maybe less), and a benzo (maybe diazapam maybe a stronger more exotic one). It took that inmate a half an hour of choking and convulsing because he was overdosing (meaning likely died of respiratory depression or even choking on vomit as he was strapped to his back).

This was insane to me because, and I hate to admit knowing people capable, but I have known drug addicts and doing 100 or 200 mg of hydromorphone was a high to them (hydromorphone is dilaudid) and they often used benzodiazapenes with their intake.

I guess the difference is tolerance v.s. being clean on death row for so long, but if that inmate had been sneaking in a large amount of opiates somehow that attempt would have been survivable which would have been very interesting.

a reply to: lovebeck
EDIT: Oh wow. I posted this before I read the entire thread. I can't believe they are still using this method. These drugs aren't meant to kill and despite what people think aren't that effective. You'd think they would use something that couldn't be reversed with one naloxone shot. Also... it's probably a matter of time before they get someone on the table who has built up an opiate tolerance via illegal contraband (and trust me with the dosages they are giving it wouldn't be hard) and survives an attempt.


These are pretty horrible.

I read one execution, after the traditional drugs were no longer available, was performed with hydromorphone (like a 200 mg dose or maybe less), and a benzo (maybe diazapam maybe a stronger more exotic one). It took that inmate a half an hour of choking and convulsing because he was overdosing (meaning likely died of respiratory depression or even choking on vomit as he was strapped to his back).

This was insane to me because, and I hate to admit knowing people capable, but I have known drug addicts and doing 100 or 200 mg of hydromorphone was a high to them (hydromorphone is dilaudid) and they often used benzodiazapenes with their intake.

I guess the difference is tolerance v.s. being clean on death row for so long, but if that inmate had been sneaking in a large amount of opiates somehow that attempt would have been survivable which would have been very interesting.

originally posted by: 3u40r15m
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask



Fair enough. But I'm sure the family took pleasure

I bet not, i will try and find an actual answer on that..once again I say its very hard to keep up the kind of hate that requires..20 years..cmon man, you make peace with it at some point or likley you end up a miserable prick and maybee someone cant even make it 20 years carrying that kind of darkness..it eats your soul up
Perhaps you could but it think most at some point most people will come to terms.

a reply to: Kryties

Eh.. not being able to breath knocks the bliss out of any high.

They should NOT be using this combo of drugs. The reactions vary far too much and the doses are pretty low.
Despite no abuse my family has an unusual opiate tolerance. If they get someone on the table that has been getting heroin and or benzos as contraband this method would not work as both allow are quickly tolerated.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: Kryties

Eh.. not being able to breath knocks the bliss out of any high.

He wouldn't even know.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow

a reply to: Kryties



Eh.. not being able to breath knocks the bliss out of any high.

He wouldn't even know.

Well if it wasnt traumatizing to the inmate it surely was to all involved and whomever witnessed it.

a reply to: vonclod

I agree it was likely very unpleasant to watch.

James woods would not have known or cared but those seeing without any medical or scientific background would have felt diffrently.

Im anti death penalty by the way.

But I wont make statements up like his death was painful just to play on false emotional vibes.

Poor soul, may he rest in peace.
I'm strictly anti-death penalty for many a reasons, We aren't going to get into that right now.
But for those of you who say that he should have suffered longer are no better then him, or those who sat and watched this poor soul twitch for two hours and gasp SIX HUNDRED AND SIXTY TIMES.

I'm all for the death penalty. There are some evil humans who do not deserve to be on earth. However, it's unfortunate that liberals took control over how we get rid of them. Tree + rope = desired results - cheap and effective. Why we don't do hangings is beyond me. Think about that; Next time somebody thinks about killing someone else, they should know that they will be hung until dead. Maybe that would curb it a little?

This thread has gone about as I expected...

On one side we have the salivating psychopaths who gain some sort of dark pleasure from the thought of another human dying a horrible death and on the other side we have the voices of sanity.

For the record, I'm against the death penalty, but not for any particular moral reason though, just that you can't come back to life on appeal.
The real crime is that the US execution system appears too tight-fisted to spend the relatively small amount of cash for a few grams of heroin to make it quick, if only to save the time of the people who witness it.

I wouldn't care about being morally wrong in a philosophical debate about my possible actions if somebody murdered my son for example, and I don't really care about this guy taking ages being killed while off his head on an opiate, one guy in a country with border officials and police I never intend to meet.
US drones kill far more innocent people than its 'justice' execution system, this one guy is lucky he was off his head and didn't lose limbs or whatever only to die of a horrible infection some days later in a hospital that doesn't have the luxury of big morphine stocks.

a reply to: Kryties
Nope, I'm sort of indifferent to this guys death and how long it took.
I guess that means you need to add another 'side' to your assertion now.

a reply to: Kryties
Who gains pleasure from a killer being executed? The victims family and friends should if they want to, but for most other people, I think it's more of a sense of justice than pleasure. Some humans are evil and cannot be reformed and they aren't worth the money it takes to keep them in a cage. They by committing their crime they lost all rights to life. And I believe that public hangings would be a way to curb evil behavior. And again, hanging works. It is very cheap and effective.

a reply to: Fylgje

You could have fooled me by some of the responses in this thread. Some of the posts are practically dripping with blood-lust.

a reply to: Kryties
When you use overly dramatic terms such as 'blood lust' it tends to detract from your argument in my opinion.
Could you please indicate if my indifference to the circumstances of this guy's death is an example of blood lust or sanity, as per your earlier assertion regarding claimed polarised views in this topic?
I am interested in being enlightened by your wise moral opinion.

a reply to: lovebeck

I agree that it's cruel and inhumane. A bullet would have been better and more affordable.