E-Cigarettes and the FDA conspiracy to stop them.

I bet some Billionaire is losing a few million from e-cigs so no wonder the government wants it gone. The Tobacco company has been handing out money like candy to stay in business.

originally posted by: BanTv

originally posted by: Miccey
Been tobacofree since oct last year.
It works..
As for the teeth, yea ive noticed.
Gumbleeds alot.

Interesting. What is the PG/VG ratio of your juice? It might be a PG sensitivity/allergy or a flavoring.

Whaaaat...
I use Nordic E-Juice
USA LIGHT 30ml
6mg nic
Glycol 42%
Glycerin 41%
Demineralized water 9%
Aroma 8%
Ethyl Maltol < 1%
Nicotine 6mg/ml

a reply to: flyingfish

Great post, Sir! Starred and flagged, as well. As a former smoker of over 30 years and the father of a 27 year-old Son who just made the switch to E-Cigs from a 2 pack a day habit, I applaud your drawing attention to this important subject. If there is a true options for cigarette smokers to wean themselves from tobacco to an electronic substitute that allows them the experience, feel & most importantly, taste of real smoking without exposing themselves to the tars, gasses and other toxic substances contained in tobacco cigarettes, it can only be a good thing. I quit smoking cold turkey but most smokers find that very difficult, if not impossible. The new generation of E-Cigs are a clear and obvious way for smokers who are ready to quit.

S+F.

I was a two pack a day smoker at my heaviest, but have been more than a pack a day since I was 16, I'm in my 30's now. I bought a couple Evods almost a year ago, and haven't had a cigarette since. I'm currently using an Innokin MVP, but I'm looking at getting a better mod. I'm coming up on 1 year without smoking a few weeks away (so I figure I should treat myself). I really only had cravings for the first couple weeks when I had my morning coffee, or after a meal, but after a few weeks, they wen't away. Now I can't stand the smell of cigarettes. Now I'd choose a vape than a cigarette all day long.

I spend about $30 a month vaping. Compared to the $150-175 a month I was spending on cigarettes. So yes, companies are losing out on HUGE amounts of Money. Tobacco is BIG BIG industry, and people are making billions off killing other humans.

But after reading this thread as well as following some other vape sites and blogs. I've started to learn how to re-wick my coils, and as soon as I get some extra cash I'm gonna buy some of my favorite e-liquid in bulk.

Really I don't trust any of these claims coming from the government that vaping is harmful to you. What's laughable is the ones who say it's more harmful than smoking regular cigs. I just don't think there's a large enough study to really say what the long term effects are, seeing as vaping has only been mainstream for what a decade at most? Nope, not buying it. I feel 100 x's better and I'm saving a ton of money.

As for the e-liquid flavors targetting kids. Look at alcohol, and all the berry flavored hard liquors, or lemon flavored beer ect. Not to mention all the different flavored coffee's out there. I see young kids ordering coffee or similiar drinks in Dunkin Donut's all the time now. Your child doesn't have ADD, they are amped up on the caffeine from Iced Coffee and Energy drinks like Red Bull ect.

Anyway Congrats to everyone who has quit smoking! Enjoy a vape.., I'm about to.

The problem with these things is that kids are using them instead of taking up smoking, because it is fashionable. I think for as many people who use them to quit smoking, twice as many will start because of these. Call me old-fashioned, but there should be age restrictions and taxes imposed to discourage their use.

Going for 2 years vaping now and thank god i can definitely say i'm in a much more better health now. No more panting taking the stairs 3 levels up!
Oh, for those with bleeding gums, just take lots of vitamin C.

originally posted by: ScientiaFortisDefendit
The problem with these things is that kids are using them instead of taking up smoking, because it is fashionable. I think for as many people who use them to quit smoking, twice as many will start because of these. Call me old-fashioned, but there should be age restrictions and taxes imposed to discourage their use.

In many places there are already laws set-up that make it illegal for minors. Even in places where it's legal for minors, most if not all vape shops will not sell to minors. These upcoming regulations will make it illegal for minors across the board. No one really disagrees with that.

There is no reason for these to have a sin tax though. There is enough evidence to prove ecigs are safe, you just have to find it yourself because the FDA and other groups are not telling people the truth for financial reasons.

Here's a compilation of E-cig studies:
Are they safe?

A very true quote from the American Council on Science and Health: "Governments looking to recoup future excise losses on declining tobacco sales could be tempted to tax e-cigarettes. This would make electronic cigarettes less price-competitive and would have the unwanted side effect of protecting tobacco sales."

A smoke-free world is now possible, why not embrace it? Is that not an amazing thing? E-cigs are a public health miracle that must remain cheaper than cigarettes and must remain easily available to all adults. I would completely understand the skepticism if there was no real data about their safety, but there is. The public is just being lied to by "health" organizations. It's really sickening.

a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

So considering that E-ciggs could improve the health and save lives of thousands if not MILLIONS of lives by helping smokers switch to a safer alternative/quit ......is just insignificant? How many kids who would have started smoking cigarettes in the first place will start smoking with an E-cigg instead... and potentially saving that kids life in the long run?

I'm tired of people running with the fallacious logic that every kid is going to run out and pick up a smoking habit instead of looking at the potential of SAVING LIVES !!!! Almost every argument made against E-ciggs could be made about flavored nicorette gum .....but surprise surprise ..it's the same pharmaceutical companies that made nicotine gum and patches that are fighting against e-ciggs. Utterly and disgusting that our lives mean so little.

If you assumed concerned doctors or “consumer-rights advocates” are the driving force for regulation in Europe and the U.S., then you haven’t been paying attention to way profit and politics interact. If you said Big Tobacco, close, but no cigar. Philip Morris, R.J. Reynolds, and Lorrillard all jumped in the e-cig game in the past two years. They’re not opposing regulation (the big guys rarely do), but they’re pushing back on the most onerous rules. Big Pharma is the real foe of e-cigs, and Big Government is their weapon of choice — on both sides of the pond. This fall, the European Parliament considered new rules regulating e-cigs. E-cigarette manufacturers, of course, lobbied like crazy to block the proposal, and it seems they won. But the drugmakers fought for stricter regulations, for obvious reasons: E-cigarettes compete with prescription drugs that are supposed to help people stop smoking.

Link

Pfizer's E-cigg exposed

TextSo… Pfizer’s nicotine suspended in propylene glycol is good. But my nicotine suspended in propylene glycol is bad. Mine tastes like watermelon and honeydew and is delicious and doesn’t cause me to cough or have burning in my throat, while Pfizer’s admittedly does: “Side Effects: Many people experience mild irritation of the mouth or throat and cough when they first use the Nicotrol Inhaler. Most people get used to these effects in a short time. Stomach upset may also occur.”

There is a good advocacy groups for those that aren't brainwashed. CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

originally posted by: CoherentlyConfused
a reply to: Miccey

That's actually a symptom of quitting smoking, I believe, not due to using ecigs. I had "quit" smoking cold-turkey many times over the past few decades and each time, my teeth got sensitive and my gums would bleed.

I'm positive that smoking cigarettes is bad for your teeth and gums, but I personally have not seen any clear evidence that vaping is bad for your teeth. However, there are some people that are highly sensitive to propylene glycol and this could be a symptomatic reaction, who knows it could be the flavors causing the reaction. The best thing to do is stop and see if it clears up , or change flavors at the very least. It's also known that vaping dehydrates you, pulling moister from your body, this is why it's important to drink plenty of fluids while vaping.

a reply to: Nola213
Good post! -Thanks for sharing your story.

The only thing I could add is to encourage you to review some of the links in the OP, BanTv and others. You will see that there are in fact long term studies that have been, and are being done.

a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

The problem with these things is that kids are using them instead of taking up smoking, because it is fashionable.

Really? this is news to me, do you have any evidence for this assertion, or are you just making stuff up? Citations please.
Would you seriously rather have them smoke cigarettes?

I think for as many people who use them to quit smoking, twice as many will start because of these.

Again, are you just making stuff up or do have any evidence this is the case?

Call me old-fashioned, but there should be age restrictions and taxes imposed to discourage their use.

I don't know, nor have I heard anyone suggest that there should be no age restrictions or there should not be some sort of regulation. But that's not what we are talking about, please try and keep up.

I don't trust the word of the FDA anymore after being sold many food products in the past 6 months that were contaminated with harmful and inedible chemicals. The FDA doesn't have anything worth listening to to say. Their word is about reliable as a wild amazon jungle villager.
That's all I've got to say about that.

E-Cigarettes are harmless. They only contain one ingredient:

NICOTEIN

Cigarettes like the Winston's I smoke contain a list of chemicals that reaches the 1000s.

www.quitsmokingcounter.com...

It's all about money. Also, it's all about death. These CEOs are death mongers. They wouldn't have it any other way.

originally posted by: Asynchrony
E-Cigarettes are harmless. They only contain one ingredient:

NICOTEIN

Cigarettes like the Winston's I smoke contain a list of chemicals that reaches the 1000s.

www.quitsmokingcounter.com...

Not entirely accurate, E-Cigarettes contain in addition to nicotine, vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol and flavorings. That's if there is nicotine added at all, you can choose to vape 0mg e-liquid if you choose.
I would also say unless your breathing clean air from the Fjords of Greenland.. nothing else is completely "harmless".

Vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol are both "generally recognized as safe" by the FDA. I used to dip and smoke cigs and switched to an e-cig. Regardless of the nonsense federally/tobacco funded research studies, I know e-cigs are pretty harmless. Unless you manage to get tainted juice or too much nicotine, vaping won't have any side effects.

Oh and Hawk Sauce E-juice. 16 mg/ml. Months of satisfaction.

I have some questions. I'm 41 and I've smoked almost all my life and I can't get myself to quitting, despite the way I feel about my health sometimes and the fact that I know that's I'm endangering myself. I guess that's what an addiction is all about.

However, do you guys think I could quit smoking easily by using a vaporizer or e-cigarette (what's the difference anyway)?

I come from a family of smokers and everyone around me smokes, but I would really like to quit and use a harmless substitute like this.

a reply to: flyingfish

WIll this finally prove to anybody who doesn't already know it, that the government doesn't care about you, they only care about your money.

a reply to: RationalDespair

Personal vaporizer/PV/e-cig=Same thing.

To answer your question: Absolutely no doubt in my mind. There are so many people who smoked for 20, 30, 40+ years and quit over night with ecigs.

Funny story. My friend smokes but not like I used to. Mainly when he's drinking (which is every day). I think he was addicted to smoking, but didn't need one every 15 min like I used to smoke. Let's say he smoked half a pack a day max. A week or two ago he started warming up to the idea. At first he thought my gear was huge/weird/possibly stupid/etc. Curiosity got the better of him though.

About 4-5 days ago he showed me a new device he got. Even though he said he likes it/enjoys it, I think he still had some reservations about it because he said "yeah I just like it for the novelty factor etc etc". As if he was trying to convince himself he didn't love it as much as he really did. Maybe nervous about the potential for turning into a...GASP...non-smoker?

Well, I saw him yesterday and he said something I thought was humorous. He said, "you know, I wasn't planning on quitting smoking, but I haven't smoked a cig since I got this thing". I got a big grin on my face, pointed my finger at him and laughed HA-HA-HA! Why? He started out thinking ecigs were pretty stupid, ended up trying them, and quit smoking literally without trying or even WANTING to...and I knew it would happen eventually.

I'll tell you specifics on what gear you should look at if you want. Just give me the word and I'll be back later tonight.

a reply to: flyingfish

i have seen high school and college kids with these things all over the place. More than I see the same demographic with cigarettes. *snip*





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