posted on May, 26 2003 @ 07:03 PM
"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." - Albert Einstein
Anyway, I don't quite think I said I hated America, though there are many things I dislike about how America has turned out since we stole the land
from the Native-Americans.
It's great that people decided that America was worth their life. Yet it's pretty darn sad that each and everyday we add new laws and remove our own
freedoms. We should have just stuck with the basics as:
"That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves." - Thomas Jefferson
You know, it's when the country starts making laws for everything that peoples freedoms slowly decline and this leads to the destruction of the
government through revolution. And we continue to repeat history over and over again.
dragonrider - It looks like dom already took care of the list of countries for you
Tell me, what is the point of immigrating if everywhere you go there is government with the same problems..? Why would I need to immigrate when
everywhere is just as good as here?
Ninjaofthenight -If you havent noticed, I think there is only one inhabitable planet in our solar system, the polution we put out through use of cars
on other such techno-plagues is reaking havoc on our world (yes our world, every human has a right to live as they wish in this world that they were
placed on by god or pure evolutionary luck). But back to the point SUV's are pretty dang unefficient, meaning they get less mileage for the pollution
they put out, its kind of ironic dontcha think, how we "love our nation" yet love it enough to pollute it to all hell.
Leveller - Unfortunately I think I am being less short-sighted than yourself, whereas you only consider your life in America, I consider the world as
a whole. We're all the same, except for the boundaries put up by politics.
"You seek to free yourself yet you mock people who practice the right of freedom that they have!!!! " - Leveller
Like we sought to free ourselves from Iraqi oppression! Assuming that is why these people decided to paint their car like that (which does seem
logical, as that is the most recent war - which patriots just love; lets protect our own freedom while taking away other peoples! woohoo!!!) Cletus
get mah shotgun!
Patriotism is a bad thing because it leads to nationalism, which leads to blindness, which leads to you allowing the people who rule you to do
whatever they like (including: war, genocide, economic genocide, trading freedom for security (goooo patriot act/s, lets keep this up, etc.).
Do you think I really care how you perceive my ideas, remember that almost everybody in America lives their life selling theirselves into the
governments economic slave-system. Most people are completely oblivious to the issues involving the entire planet. That government cures nothing as
its supposed to, but is an illusion of security and freedom. Yet being the weak followers that most people on the planet are, they wouldnt dare to
oppose anothers ideas for fear of being isolated. Everybody just wants to be accepted into the collective.
Leveller - It's too bad you shrug of the downsides off patriotism which xaos listed. But as it says in the film that parallels life perfectly (The
Matrix) "Ignorance is bliss". Enjoy it!!
Patriotism is fanaticism. Patriotism is just the fanatic support for ones nation.
"Patriotism, Dom, I mean real patriotism, can help maintain the culture and integrity of a nation. It gives a collective sense of pride and
kinsmanship among the inhabitants of the nation." - Thomas Crowne
In my opinion (which undoubtedly doesnt matter on this site anymore), collectivism is exactly what is wrong with humanity. If everybody would just be
themselves and think for themselves life would be peachy keen. Yet this can never occur since if the U.S.A. just decided to disband, we would be
conquered by another collective government. Therefore, as long as government exists (forever), we must continue to function as scattered collectives
(instead of one collective).
"Beware the leader who bangs the drum of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor. For patriotism is indeed a double edged sword.
It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the
mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and patriotism, will
offer up all of their rights to the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Julius Caesar." - Julius Caesar
But, lets not learn from the past! Let's repeat history into infinity!!
[Edited on 27-5-2003 by Attero Auctorita]