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onequestion
reply to post by arpgme
When you set your alarm to wake up in the morning,
Explain the choice you make to either get out of bed or to go back to sleep.
onequestion
reply to post by arpgme
When you set your alarm to wake up in the morning,
Explain the choice you make to either get out of bed or to go back to sleep.
onequestion
reply to post by arpgme
How can it not be free will to choose?
You didnt explain it very well.
Cuervo
reply to post by arpgme
All forms of chaos have an implicit order to them if you zoom out far enough.
coolcatt
reply to post by arpgme
what if i am hungry and i go to a supermarket and CHOOSE what to eat is that freewill
I think you mite have to rethink this one fella.
Let's assume for a moment that you are correct and everything is happening randomly. Doesn't that mean that the thought "Everything is happening randomly" is just a random thought? A random collection of words with no particular reason to believe it's true? Of course, that means that my question, and what I believe is the "thought" behind it, is also just random. "That way madness lies."
We could all be slaves to Chaos, as life unfolds randomly. . . . Or it could even be, that there is Chaos, and everything is randomly happening including the 'chooses' that we think are ours.
It could be that there is Order, and everything follows this order and therefore with the right information anything can be predicted and everything is set in stone including the 'choices' that we think are ours.
charles1952
Dear arpgme,
In another example of the accuracy of my name, Mr. Confusion, allow me to ask a question or two.
charles1952
Doesn't that mean that the thought "Everything is happening randomly" is just a random thought?
charles1952
A random collection of words with no particular reason to believe it's true?
charles1952
"That way madness lies."
charles1952
Alternatively, you suggest that nothing is random, everything is eternally fixed.
charles1952
If that is true, why take any action or have any thought?
charles1952
Although, come to think of it, those positions imply that humans aren't responsible for anything. Neither war, nor global warming, nor brutality, or hatred, or crime. I think those positions are wrong, but I can see where they would be comforting.
onequestion
How can it not be free will to choose?
yeahright
onequestion
How can it not be free will to choose?
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Here's an example.
Computers make thousands of choices. In fact, that's what a computer does, it chooses. If A then B. Does a computer have free will?
Point being, the capacity to choose does not directly imply free will.
When you make a choice, do you know that you're making it by virtue of free will, or are you after the fact rationalizing a choice that was already made?
Free will? Free from what? You can't have degrees of free will in this context. It's either free, or it isn't. I've never found a compelling, believable, sustainable argument for the existence of true free will. But then maybe you don't think it means what I think it does.
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
what if i am hungry and i go to a supermarket and CHOOSE what to eat is that freewill
InhaleExhale
reply to post by coolcatt
what if i am hungry and i go to a supermarket and CHOOSE what to eat is that freewill
As long as you choose something the supermarket supplies,
When you became hungry was there a thought in mind as to what you might want eat or was there no thought and a choice was made when arriving to the shop and seeing what is available?
All forms of chaos have an implicit order to them if you zoom out far enough.