It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Hobby Lobby May Close All 500+ Stores in 41 States

page: 5
48
<< 2  3  4    6  7  8 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 07:51 PM
link   
reply to post by alienreality
 


No point.
edit on 3-2-2014 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)




posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 08:16 PM
link   
reply to post by Kali74
 


Has it already been established if their previous health benefits covered or could even distinguish this specific gynecological care from other gynecological care? I bet it couldn't - I bet it was doctor/patient privilege.

Just a guess.

But, if so, it would prove this is simply political grandstanding.

Don't get me wrong ACA isn't perfect and I don't care for how the U.S. is incrementally implementing what will eventually be single payer/universal care but I do like that direction because we are only as strong as our weakest link and health care in the U.S. has long been broken. For profit is not compatible with optimal health.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 08:43 PM
link   
Ouch, hobby lobby closings its doors.

I wonder if there any other christian businesses closing down with HL over the mandate.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 08:43 PM
link   

Bone75
reply to post by MrSpad
 

The title may be misleading (or not), but the statement itself is not a HOAX.
From your link...


Green reaffirmed his stance on the matter in front of the ceremony’s hundreds of attendees.

“There’s one thing we will not do, and that’s paying for aborting unborn fetuses,” Green said.



“We’ve got a battle to fight, and it may take years, but we feel like in the end we will win.”


If you'll notice he didn't mention what they're going to do if they lose.


He said that letter is not from and they are not closing store, the opposite in fact and goes on to list how many. So yes the letter in the OP is a hoax.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 08:43 PM
link   
reply to post by kosmicjack
 


I honestly don't remember. There's been so many twists and turns, this State does this and that State does that... it's hard to keep up with. I'm not happy with ACA at all and I don't know that it's the best path for single payer as it seems to the root of so much anger. I don't know. I'm ready to give up on this country and it's people.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:10 PM
link   

... I'll fight for your wife's right to kill her fetus!


Damn.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:11 PM
link   

MrSpad

Bone75
reply to post by MrSpad
 

The title may be misleading (or not), but the statement itself is not a HOAX.
From your link...


Green reaffirmed his stance on the matter in front of the ceremony’s hundreds of attendees.

“There’s one thing we will not do, and that’s paying for aborting unborn fetuses,” Green said.



“We’ve got a battle to fight, and it may take years, but we feel like in the end we will win.”


If you'll notice he didn't mention what they're going to do if they lose.


He said that letter is not from and they are not closing store, the opposite in fact and goes on to list how many. So yes the letter in the OP is a hoax.


Yea another source says two parts were deleted and were part of an email.
$1.3 million PER DAY though man. Who could pay that and continue to operate if the courts rule against?



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:27 PM
link   
reply to post by MrSpad
 

Again, the letter is not a HOAX. If your source is even correct, he can only be referring to the claim that he may close the stores.

Snopes

There's a lot more details in that article. One of particular interest is this...


The Green family and Hobby Lobby do not have any religious objection to birth control per se. Their plans have covered preventive contraceptives and will continue to do so," Duncan said.

"What Hobby Lobby objects to and the reason they sued is because the HHS mandate forces Hobby Lobby to include a specific kind of drug," he explained.

The drugs are called Plan B and Levonelle, otherwise known as "the morning-after pill" and "the week-after pill."

"For many people, [the pills] are not even considered birth control because the way they operate is to prevent the implantation of an egg in the womb. For millions of Americans that take the traditional Christian view that life begins at conception, that amounts to an early abortion," Duncan said.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:31 PM
link   

Bone75

buster2010
Do you support Christians paying for Viagra seeing how many insurance companies will pay for it? Funny how you don't hear these "Christians" complaining about that.


Personally, I don’t support any policy that forces people to purchase a corporate product. But since you brought it up, Viagra doesn't kill fertilized eggs. You seem to be under the impression that this is about sex when it's not.


How do you think eggs get fertilized? If you are old enough to get on this forum then you should know that sex is involved.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:33 PM
link   

Flatfish
reply to post by Bone75
 


I totally disagree with you.


Screw em! For a party that advocates for getting government out of our business, they sure as hell are interested in retaining their own perceived right to get into our business.

Let them close their doors, I'm sure the other hobby stores around America will be more than happy to fill the gap.


1. They aren't government.
2. They aren't getting into anyone's business. Unless you can show me where they ask such questions of people. Their employees can do whatever they want, they just don't want to pay for it.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:34 PM
link   
I'm sure if they are stupid enough to close all of their stores over this, then another business will replace them.




posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:37 PM
link   
reply to post by Bone75
 




Should an Islamic restaurant owner be forced to serve pork?

Islam like the Jewish faith says you shouldn't eat pork but it says nothing about selling pork to others.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:44 PM
link   

grey580
reply to post by Bone75
 


Oh my brain.



There's a zillion other regulations on the books in this country for businesses but somehow this one here is a deal breaker? BS.

And they are basing their decision on an assumption that someone "MIGHT" take one of these pills.

I find it highly ironic that these guys are using their first amendment right to take away the right of someone else to make a choice about their life.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Your rights do not give you the right to take away the rights of others. That your rights begin where my rights end and vice versa.

And this sets a precedent. Christians can say no to contraceptives. Now can Jews refuse to employ people because they aren't circumcised?
edit on 3-2-2014 by grey580 because: (no reason given)

Please show me where they are refusing to employ people who have an abortion. Since you can't, your analogy is pretty worthless.

No one's rights are being taken away. They aren't preventing abortions. They just won't pay for them.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:45 PM
link   

OccamsRazor04

Flatfish
reply to post by Bone75
 


I totally disagree with you.


Screw em! For a party that advocates for getting government out of our business, they sure as hell are interested in retaining their own perceived right to get into our business.

Let them close their doors, I'm sure the other hobby stores around America will be more than happy to fill the gap.


1. They aren't government.
2. They aren't getting into anyone's business. Unless you can show me where they ask such questions of people. Their employees can do whatever they want, they just don't want to pay for it.


Of course they are getting into peoples business if they weren't then they would just pay the insurance without asking what is covered. Just the act of saying we won't cover this part of the insurance just shows they want to control their employees lives.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:47 PM
link   

buster2010
reply to post by Bone75
 



No Christian should be forced to pay for someone's contraception. Period.


But it's ok for an employer to force their religious beliefs on their employees huh? Do you support Christians paying for Viagra seeing how many insurance companies will pay for it? Funny how you don't hear these "Christians" complaining about that.

Please explain to me how Viagra has anything to do with abortions.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:47 PM
link   
reply to post by Bone75
 




"What Hobby Lobby objects to and the reason they sued is because the HHS mandate forces Hobby Lobby to include a specific kind of drug," he explained.

The drugs are called Plan B and Levonelle, otherwise known as "the morning-after pill" and "the week-after pill."

"For many people, [the pills] are not even considered birth control because the way they operate is to prevent the implantation of an egg in the womb. For millions of Americans that take the traditional Christian view that life begins at conception, that amounts to an early abortion," Duncan said.


Don't kid yourself! Other birth control methods that employ this preventative backstop that inhibits implantation are IUD's, The Pill, The Patch, Depo Provera and NuvaRing. So, yeah, Hobby Lobby and the pro-life movement are against most types of birth control methods that women today are using.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:48 PM
link   

buster2010

Hoosierdaddy71
This is also a man that closes his stores on Sunday so that the employees can go to church with their families. Good for him for sticking to his beliefs.


Don't you mean lack of beliefs? His religion tells him he is not allowed to use contraceptives no where in the bible does it say he is not allowed to pay for someone else's contraceptives.

So then murder is wrong, but since the Bible doesn't say you can't buy murder it's clearly ok to hire a hitman by your warped logic.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:48 PM
link   
reply to post by buster2010
 

Miracle Grow... DUH!
You implied Christians should be against Viagra because it enables men to have sex. Having sex and killing babies are 2 separate issues.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:48 PM
link   

kosmicjack
reply to post by Flatfish
 


Agreed.

They aren't about liberty or morality..just politics and publicity . Do they care if their cash paying customers have had an abortion? I doubt it.

Close I say...put up or shut up.

They wouldn't pay for their customers to have an abortion either. So I guess they put up.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:53 PM
link   
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
 





They aren't preventing abortions. They just won't pay for them.


Hobby Lobby is NOT being asked to pay for abortion. They are, however, required to provide "pregnancy preventing" contraception coverage.



new topics

top topics



 
48
<< 2  3  4    6  7  8 >>

log in

join