Hating America! **On Fox Channel** over now

Well for you conspiracy folks, here is your show, look and then we can discuss!


911 a lie?

America is Evil?

Islam is peaceful towards America?


Check it out. This show is examining the anti-American bias in the world. The middle east, the BBC, the Canadians, the french, The Germans etc etc etc

It is showing how the war in Iraq is presented in the foreign countries that never show the new schools but just the civilian casulties etc.

It is an eye opener for sure...



[edit on 21-11-2004 by edsinger]

[edit on 22-11-2004 by edsinger]

Ed -

In case you just happened to forget - different areas of the the U.S. have different time zones, and different television schedules. You can also rest assured that our friends in Countries other that the U.S.A. probably do not have access to the TV Station/Channel/Programming that you are on about.
Please post links or substantiating information.

In other words - WTF are you talkin about?????

So it seems that what the professionals say is that there is so much anti-US feeling in Europe becuase of a lack of a rival power?

It has existed for 30 years!

The war in Iraq was NOT the cause of the this, the fall of the USSR was in European eyes.


They even disliked America during the Clinton years, albeit not as bad as now.



The show says that it is causing the unneeded deaths of Americans and Arabs.

What can the US do?

[edit on 21-11-2004 by edsinger]

So it seems that what the professionals say is that there is so much anti-US feeling in Europe becuase of a lack of a rival power?

Really? Here in Europe? News to me.....

Ed, your being programmed again, not surprisingly, by Fox.... Get a grip!!

Originally posted by stumason
Really? Here in Europe? News to me.....

Ed, your being programmed again, not surprisingly, by Fox.... Get a grip!!

Guess you are not watching it then...good show.

I am watching it and think it is a good show. a must see.

I was watching the show while snoopin here on ats.

Keep fighting ED.

Later,

Reason

now imagine you're an iraqi sheep herder....

you watch as the US dumps xmillion$ worth of bombs on your village, killing your wife's second cousin (who was a jerk but really not worth frying with a flame bomb), spending endless amounts of money just to blow stuff up. Then, they come back and spend not even 1/1000th of it to build things.

e.g. by August 2004, we'd spent upwards of $100billion dollars (conservative estimates) on the war.
Contrasting, we've spent approximately $20million on reconstruction. This includes ALL iraqi construction. i.e. power plants, water plants...and schools.

what would you be thinking? Personally, i'd be scratching my head trying to figure out just what that weird dude in that white house means with 'freedom.' cuz, those american sure have a funny way with words...

Before anyone turns this into a bash bush fest, the question was on the show and the show well showed the phenomenon has been here long before Bush in 2000.

To the Americans that think 911 was an inside job, you have been duped. The originator of this theory looked like an idiot.

This was a good show and showed just how this hate for America is bred, even from within.

Eye-opening to say the least.

Guess you are not watching it then...good show.

Er...no. In case it slipped by Ed, i am in the UK (currently doing a night shift fixing stuff).

I still must say though, that I don't see any Anti-american sentiment here, no matter who I speak too, be they English, Scots, Welsh or Tibetan monks....

However, what I do find, is dismay at the current US foreign policy, which has nothing to do with the US or its people, and which serves only to alienate and turn more people into terrorists willing to fight the US.

Originally posted by edsinger
To the Americans that think 911 was an inside job, you have been duped. The originator of this theory looked like an idiot.

One guy planted all that evidence! What a go-getter!

What you have to remember is that the majority of the American public have been duped by their administration on a number of occasions...not only in the past, but also, and importantly in this current war on terror..

Al Qaeeda does not exist! - It's only an idea, you can't kill an idea, but you guys must remember that the threat of terrorism is far lower than you think.. remember we have been living with a much more increased threat of terrorism here for years in terms of the IRA

Americans are being fed a constant barage of fear and consumerism so that Neo Fascist Evangelists like 'Bush' and Posse can control the minds of the masses... I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before the government here 'step up' their fear feeding to the public about the importance of 'preparing' for an attack..

I wish people would stop looking for an excuse to defend the blatant draconian foreign policy that the U.S administration has!

Originally posted by seriously111
now imagine you're an iraqi sheep herder....

you watch as the US dumps xmillion$ worth of bombs on your village, killing your wife's second cousin (who was a jerk but really not worth frying with a flame bomb), spending endless amounts of money just to blow stuff up. Then, they come back and spend not even 1/1000th of it to build things.

e.g. by August 2004, we'd spent upwards of $100billion dollars (conservative estimates) on the war.
Contrasting, we've spent approximately $20million on reconstruction. This includes ALL iraqi construction. i.e. power plants, water plants...and schools.

what would you be thinking? Personally, i'd be scratching my head trying to figure out just what that weird dude in that white house means with 'freedom.' cuz, those american sure have a funny way with words...

You are a typical stupid liberal. Jesus christ. It is amazing how people can make up random facts like only $20 million dollars being spent...I believe you meant to but a B...right?


It also amazes me how you tools supported the intervention by clinton or the war in Kosovo.....

It also amazes me how most of you have never even did research for yourself and are a walking sound bite of ________ (insert random liberal public figure here)


[edit on 22-11-2004 by sre2f]

Did it paint Australians as being anti-american? If it did it's an irony that fox is owned by a born and bred Australian. So it would be making a massive generalization if it said all or even the majority Australians are anti-american or whatever... even within groups that disagree with the current war.

Although now an American citizen (he made the change so he could buy American television stations in the 1980s), Murdoch was born in Australia and into the newspaper industry.

www.time.com...



[edit on 22-11-2004 by Trent]

Originally posted by edsinger
They even disliked America during the Clinton years, albeit not as bad as now.

- Ed matey, you have got to get a handle on this cos otherwise you are just not getting it at all.

(BTW most Europeans liked Bill Clinton.)

Most Europeans like America and Americans.
Many of you are our family for God's sake.

But it 100% true to say most Europeans can't stand the US 'right'.

We find the US political 'religious right' even more laughable.....and yes to a degree that included Clinton's showy acts of religious contrition when the Monica business surfaced.

(but then again many Europeans liked BC - in many of our eyes it was a case of 'so what' that a pretty young woman wanted to have sex with him and he agreed, that's between him, her and his and her family......just as it is across everywhere where it happens day in day out - he had genuine charm and warmth and was so obvious the target of a hounding campaign the like of which had never been seen before. Many Europeans felt great sympathy for him and great disgust at the manner in which that undemocratic opposition - no trick too low to pull! - was conducted).

Unfortunately the US has moved so far to the right that you think our 'centre and centre-right' politics 'socialist'.
To us that is just stupid and a clear indication Americans have invented a completely new meaning for the word 'socialist' utterly separate from what it really and actually means.....just like you guys have done with the word 'liberal'.

Unfortunately things are now getting so twisted that to be anti- the US 'right' or Bush or his neocon cronies is sufficient to get labelled 'un-American'.......and most hilariously of all is the labelling of foreigners as 'un-American!

But tune in Ed; it's not America we dislike (or hate) it's the tediously dangerous and aggressively domineering instincts of your 'right wing'.

Maybe it's because we (or most of us), sadly and to our shame, have been there ourselves and done (to some degree) that that we find it so contemptuously boring.....and why we have so little patience with how come you guys just don't get it.

But never mind 'America first' , right?



[edit on 22-11-2004 by sminkeypinkey]

I don't know about the Anti-American sentiment in Europe, but in South Korea, it definitely rose after Bush invaded Iraq. So much so, I started to wear a Canadian Flag lapel pin, so people wouldn't think I was the half who thought the whole Iraq invasion and occupation was neato.

It sounds like that show was just a tool to re-enforce a xenophobic agenda, to those who never lived anywhere else but the US.

Yeah, I saw that. Nice piece of propaganda for fox news. Honestly? Everything about that is trying to make people embrace an ideology, one that fox news incorporates into everything they do.

There is little hatrred towards Americans in Europe.

Originally posted by edsinger
It is showing how the war in Iraq is presented in the foreign countries that never show the new schools but just the civilian casulties etc.

What good is the school if you forgot to send crutches so this kids might limp to the class.

Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
and why we have so little patience with how come you guys just don't get it.
[edit on 22-11-2004 by sminkeypinkey]

It's not that we "don't get it", but that we can't control "it". The United States is controlled by media, politicians, and corporations. None of them want anyone to control "it" because if anyone controlled "it" then none of those three categories would benefit. Media controls the people, Politicians are controlled by coroporations, and in-turn Politicians get good media coverage to sway voters and they stay in power so that the corporations can get what they want. In all of this, nobody is looking out for us, the people.
--Trust me, I worked for a campaign. It was obvious.


[edit on 22-11-2004 by TheBigD]

Originally posted by curme
I started to wear a Canadian Flag lapel pin, so people wouldn't think I was the half who thought the whole Iraq invasion and occupation was neato.

Instead of trying to explain to people that everyone in the US did not agree with the invasion of Iraq, you just pretend you are Canadian

Originally posted by ShadowXIX

Originally posted by curme
I started to wear a Canadian Flag lapel pin, so people wouldn't think I was the half who thought the whole Iraq invasion and occupation was neato.

Instead of trying to explain to people that everyone in the US did not agree with the invasion of Iraq, you just pretend you are Canadian

Yeah I find that one funny also...



PS I know you Europeans loved CLinton, the show was just stating that anti-Americanism there preceded Bush. I can remember the same thing when Reagan wanted the Pershing II's in Europe.