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Sremmos80
reply to post by NewAgeMan
I only found 1 recording of ceecee on the wiki page and i couldn't make out much, is that the one you are referencing too?
Zaphod58
reply to post by Sremmos80
The KC-767 (now the KC-46) is not, and never has been a drone. It's a tanker, and the RFP wasn't issued until after 9/11.
Why would you bother developing a tanker/transport as a black project? Aircraft that fly in combat zones are the black projects, not aircraft based on commercial aircraft.
Zaphod58
reply to post by Sremmos80
In some cases you are right. I know of planes that flew in the 80s that are still black. In this case though, no. Transports (especially this fiasco) are developed in the "white world". There is no reason to have a classified development.
This particular program has been quite open, and a total fiasco. The original contract put three people in jail.
Zaphod58
reply to post by Sremmos80
There will be a black tanker/transport as part of the third tanker replacement program, but that will be a military airframe from the start, not a modification of an existing civilian airframe. You won't see a modification program in the black world.
As for the FAA rules, the military can modify the aircraft somewhat, but the FAA enforces all the rules on the aircraft. They have special ways around black projects without giving away the project.
Zaphod58
If it was it would look nothing like a 767.
KC-767 Common Widebody Tanker & Transport
www.globalsecurity.org...
The Boeing 767 family of aircraft, specifically the –200C/F, 300C/F and –400C/F models, have been proposed by Boeing as a replacement for the KC-135 family of aircraft, and have been vigorously marketed by Boeing. In terms of offload performance, the proposed Boeing KC-767 modestly outperforms the standard KC-135R. Costs for used 767-300ER aircraft vary between $51M and $88M, depending on the age and condition of the aircraft. In terms of speed its Mach 0.8 performance compares to the Mach 0.85 or better performance of the KC-135 aircraft.
KC-767 aerial refuelling tanker design
The structure incorporates new materials such as improved aluminium alloys, graphite composites and hybrid Kevlar graphite composites, which give enhanced strength, durability and longevity.
Standard Military 463-L Fuel Cargo Pallet
"In the cargo configuration, the aircraft can transport 19 standard military 463-L pallets; in the passenger configuration, 200 passengers can be accommodated; and in the Combi configuration ten cargo pallets and 100 passengers can be carried."
www.inetres.com...
Pallet Dimensions
Width: 108 inches. Length: 88 inches.
Height: 2 1/4 inches.
Pallet Usable Dimensions
Width: 104 inches. Length: 84 inches.
Pallet Weight, Empty 290 lbs
Weight of Nets (side and top) 65 lbs
Maximum Cargo Weight 10,000 lbs
Desired Load Capacity 7,500 lbs
Maximum Gross Weight 10,355 lbs
The United Airlines Flight 175 aircraft was a Boeing 767-222 that had been built in 1983, registration number N612UA
en.wikipedia.org...
"During the descent from 12,000 feet to 6,000 feet, the aircraft groundspeed remained between 500 - 520 knots. After the aircraft made it's descent to 1000 feet, it accelerated, until it impacted World Trade Center tower #2 at approximately 510 knots groundspeed."
NTSB Radar_Data_Impact_Speed_Study--AA11,_UA175