I was a believer, now skeptic. Believers are wrong.

Hi all,

I try to make this short


I was a ufo/alien etc. researcher for many years. I did a lot of research in Russia/U.S since i can speak both the languages.

Long time ago i was just like you believers, i found the whole alien/ufo idea interesting so i started researching. At first i believed in almost everything since i didn't have had much knowledge. I watched documentaries/photos/videos/ etc. etc. And if it looked good enough i believed in it. After many years i gained a huge amount of knowledge in this topic , and i became a CGI/pixel codes/photoshop expert. So i can easily see if somthing is real or faked etc.

Just reading the comments you guys post on certain video/photo topics that are CGI'D make me think about me a long time ago when i had no knowledge. Just realizing how foolish and stupid i was back then.

I gained so much knowledge about everything even about the "famous ufo events". The videos are not fake but there are stories behind these videos and there were no "aliens" like some of you believe.
For example: Do you all know the video where you could see a flashing ufo on the ground and the men who recorded it claimed they were real aliens. And others were saying it is a helicopter. I say what really happend.

Intelligence stated that the soviets had gathered
details of a classified plane from infrared satellites.
To confuse the satellites, area 51 crew built decoys
from cardboard.

As you can see, there is a story for every case out there that you don't know. So because you have no knowledge
you become a believer.
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I know pretty much all the stories behind these cases and history behind it and it is very hard to find the real evidence/explanations on the internet. Because the believers give false information for each other, it is very simple to make up a story and give it out to other believers.

Remember there is a reason why there is no proof of aliens visiting us from 100+ countries.
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Remember this famous witch video? from 0:39?
Read all the comments and look at video likes, if you're smart you would realize how many ignorant people there are. Every video like= ignorant person. Now look at the comments, do you see how many people are believing in this? Even though this video has been debunked on television and a ufo/hoax group came out forward who specializes in ufo/hoaxes . They showed how to do this, and they also showed how they fake ufo's etc.
As you can see for everything there is evidence, stop being ignorant and stop yelling to everything aliens! If you do not understand or have no knowledge just be quiet.

I think some people are going to take this thread hot and cold.

You seem with all your knowledge, to have forgotten to take in account the people that Know what they saw.

Granted most do have a reasonable explanations, but you can't rule them all out with 100 percent assurance either. There are just too many photos and videos for them All to be wrong or fall under the catagory of just plain non existence.

You might do better here, telling us about what you do know, and let the others struggle on with what you call ignorance. Perhaps they can learn some more if you share more about things you do know for a fact.

Btw, your video is not available

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I fix your video


Mexico?

Surely you jest.

reply to post by Keylogger


I lol'd

I've been through a similar process myself. When I was younger I wanted to believe in most of the conspiracies out there, but as the years go on and I learn more about the history of certain conspiracies I've realized how much of it has no basis in reality.

However, when it comes to UFO's I still tend to remain quite open minded because there are just so many, really I mean there are a lot, of amazing encounters by very credible people and they cannot be explained by any typical explanation.

What has changed over time though, is my perspective about where these crafts actually come from. I'm growing ever more skeptical of the idea that aliens are secretly visiting Earth. I think most of these UFO's are just man made secret projects.

That to me is even scarier though imo, because clearly these craft have the ability to manipulate gravity and/or space-time, and they are making use of some highly advanced scientific principles which are not strongly established within mainstream science.

If the government or secret compartments of the government really have such technology it's scary to think what they are doing with it and it's extremely annoying to know that here in the mainstream world we are stuck travelling to space in chemical tin can death traps.

Err....is it a flying chupacabra??

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What a persuasive article you made so many good points and eloquently backed them up with specific, relevant case studies! You must be incredibly intelligent, and the believers so very stupid.

Actually, you didn't really make any argument at all other than the fact that videos can indeed be faked. While you may have researched many cases over the years and learned about cgi and the like, you should have invested a little more time in writing this article or learning how to speak coherently. That is if you hope to convince anyone you know what you're talking about.

WOW...Having pronounced that you claim to have been intellectually on both sides of the issue and have been
studying modern videos and claim to have an "educated" opinion on the subject is admirable..

You have not taken into account the VAST historical data on the subject...

IMO,...Look into it...

So then you're saying there is nothing out there, correct? I could concur. William Cooper had stated the whole "ufoology" movement was made up by the government. But then he says in Behold a Pale Horse that we have had alien contact, which confused me.

Keylogger
I know pretty much all the stories behind these cases and history behind it and it is very hard to find the real evidence/explanations on the internet. Because the believers give false information for each other, it is very simple to make up a story and give it out to other believers.

Nail on the head.
Actually, a person who is most concerned about the truth about potential aliens are also the most skeptical. There is a good possibility that the truth is covered up by the 30 tons of horse manure shoveled on by the "believers"...perhaps intentional, perhaps just them being overly excited about their religion. Either way, the people who are the most devout to the ufo faith are the ones that should be shunned by those whom would like to find the facts out. If your not a skeptic, then you have no interest in the alien hypothesis.

Remember this famous witch video? from 0:39?

Famous? well, I remember the ridiculous "witch" video, sure.
People are dumb. keep in mind, 50% of the population of humanity barely has the IQ to pop popcorn in a microwave...which typically has a big button for popcorn.
They made computers a bit too easy to use unfortunately, so you got the mindless masses smacking their hairy knuckles on the keyboards.

If you do not understand or have no knowledge just be quiet.

Spot on.
Sometimes simply saying "I don't know" is the wisest thing you can say...no adding on what you think, speculation, etc.

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Imo Cooper was inside the system and was exposed to the real deal, whatever that was, and he went through bouts of clarity and confusion, maybe he was a tool that started thinking for himself more than not and stopped being useful...

Even though I've seen a couple things I can't explain, I never have believed in aliens or ufo's.

KeyloggerIf you do not understand or have no knowledge just be quiet.

I'm glad you have reached the pinnacle of understanding and knowledge so you can tell us all to be quiet and deliver the answers to us

Have a lovely day.

Keylogger
Remember there is a reason why there is no proof of aliens visiting us from 100+ countries.

That reason is because they are NOT UFO's...

Instead, there is a massive amount of undeniable evidence that shows that these things are extremely skilled at PRETENDING to be "aliens".

The below evidence supports the theory that the UFO phenomena are manifestations of living beings:

John Keel, one of the most respected researchers in this field, noted that “over and over again, witnesses have told me in hushed tones, ‘you know, I don’t think that thing I saw was mechanical at all. I got the distinct impression it was alive.’” thestrongdelusion.com...

Consider what a physicist and specialist in relativity theory noted:

Drawing from what we know can happen in séances and poltergeist activity, it seems that these supernatural forces can manipulate matter and energy, extracting energy from the atmosphere, for example (which manifests as a local temperature change), to manipulate matter and produce an apparent violation of the second law [of thermodynamics], and I guess my feeling is that on a larger scale this is what a UFO could be. It seems to me likely that UFOs are large-scale violations of the second law in which energy is arranged to take on enough of a force field appearance so that it appears to look like matter, yet it’s really just energy concentration – it’s not really solid matter in the usual sense.

The point to all of this is that a spiritual explanation fits entirely with the UFO effects. Beings from a higher dimensional plane than our own, who are able to manipulate energy, could generate an appearance of mass, speed, and physical effects. Given the ability of deceptive manipulation of the minds of people, they could also give an impression of alien entities, actual physical contact, and what their ships look like on the inside. The ability of Satan to manipulate the minds of people, especially those who reject the Creator, is documented not only in the Bible, but in actual case histories. This is why we have come to the firm conclusion that UFOs are manifestations of deceptive spiritual beings.

The UFO phenomena are manifestations of living beings that are here to deceive mankind. They appear in their UFO form because they wish to change our perception of reality. That they are alive rather than mechanical is not our only conclusion.

thestrongdelusion.com...

"We got a coverup among the researchers themselves that people are relying on for the truth" ~ Joe Jordan

"Joe is obviously not popular with many UFO believers for ‘blowing the whistle’ and revealing the deception behind it all..."

Lifting the veil on the UFO phenomenon

They are inveterate liars and deceivers, and delight in bamboozling and misleading mankind with all manner of nonsense. They are addicted to the abduction or kidnapping of humans.

The True Nature Of The 'UFO Entities'

“They are messengers of deception” ~ Jacques Vallee

The thousands of contacts with the entities indicate that they are liars and put-on artists.

www.scribd.com...

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Nice...

The arrogance of some christians is impressive...

I can't believe how many people are so convinced that aliens exist. I will not go so far as to say they don't exist, but everything I have seen can be easily explained away. Start by recognizing that the major governments of the world have already admitted to possessing technology many decades ahead of what they let "the people" be aware of. Every time we see evidence for their experiments they of course would spread alien propoganda, to throw you off the scent of what they are building or trying to do. They simply redirect the curious energy to aliens or what have you, and ignore or deny any involvement or knowledge of anything at all.

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Mood: was ignorant ..

Yet, still not arrogant enough to stick THAT on a profile...

I can understand not being able to back up your argument with any evidence.

Pretty tough finding evidence that doesn't exist.

Not to many options left besides attacking a persons beliefs and ideologies instead.

Being a "coastlinekid" and all I understand.

There have been UFO sightings long before the first airoplane was even built. There have been astronauts, airoplane pilots, police officers and people from all walks of life and from all over the world who have seen UFOS. They can't all be liars or mistaken.

AliceBleachWhite
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Mexico?

Surely you jest.

Best soap operas in the world. Like porn on channel 40, no cable required in the Southwest.

All kidding aside and to address the original poster, or OP as he shall be referred to from here on out, not everyone here is a believer. Faith has escaped me for my entire life, I was raised on "show me." People need evidence, you can't take them at their word. Even if you like, or love them. They can make mistakes, not understood what they saw or simply get caught in a momentary hallucination.

I've seen things I couldn't explain. Flying things. Unidentified Flying things. Or objects, if you will.

I didn't run up to the first person I saw and declare I had seen aliens...I blamed years of drug and alcohol abuse and had to suck up the fact that because I had made those choices in my life anything I ever see from here on out, the more fantastic is it, will be easily debunked simply because of my past. And that even makes me doubt what I've seen.

But I still SAW IT. And I can swear to my sobriety at the time of observance. But I accept that as a witness, I have no credibility. But to simply declare that every thing having a story means it must obviously be the best and only true explanation offered is just as absurd had I insisted everyone take my sighting seriously after a decade of chasing the dragon, and then become offended when they don't. Now you come here, and maybe it's a language thing....you're suggesting stupidity of the "believers" and probably that they're fat, and their mothers are fat. Anything else or what?...you all out of productive dialog here? Whatever school they taught you English in, they didn't teach you manners, that's for sure.

Then again, I shouldn't be one to talk. But if you're going to talk like a scumbag then you should have to talk TO a scumbag and yay...here I be.

There are too many reliable sources for the phenomena to be dismissed. Yes, there are far more hoaxes, especially in 2014 AI (After internet) but there are still legitimate eyewitness accounts from men of rank and honor, who are trustworthy...at least to certain groups. Forget the government witnesses then, completely. There are doctors, professors, artists, great intellectuals and others from all walks of life, whichever one you find to be the most trustworthy, who have seen these things. And let's say some of them are lying, that doesn't mean they all are. Why risk ridicule? Why risk jobless in the cases of cops and others that need to be thought of as "sane and reliable?"

Is it all really just about a conference hop? Making money telling stories? All that tells me is that humans are doing what they've always done, getting into the racket while the getting's good. While it's popular and while so many "want to believe."

Still doesn't prove anything. For either side. Think about it. Be an atheist for a moment and look around at all the crazy things people believe in. And have believed in. You can say "No, I'm a Christian" and you can STILL look around and, to you, see all the crazy things people believe and have believed. There's still at least a couple billion nonchristians and their religion isn't going to become any less foreign to you anytime soon. So my point stands.

People are like hopeless romantics for this kind of stuff. But at the same time, they're using what we know scientifically to back up, or at least attempt to, these beliefs. And if anything, in my opinion, it's anything but stupid. It's the most logical direction for us to go in at this point in our evolution. So don't be so hard on people, and don't be so hard on yourself. This stuff is fun to think about. To discuss. And there are those on both sides who will swear up and down what's right and what's wrong and guess what? It all revolves around something VERY IMPORTANT. Not the belief in life elsewhere, coming to visit us or not, it opens us up to the possibility of space exploration. Serious space exploration. Privatized. And just as our beliefs have taken a productive turn, so will these long term goals. Maybe we can outlive the Earth, maybe even the Solar System. But we have to get off our asses and do it while we still can. You never know, maybe one winter just won't end. Or summer. We're not too hot or too cold, we're just right. But that doesn't last forever.

I was a skeptic, now believer. Skeptics are wrong.

Years ago, I have spoken with four NATO Tornado's Pilots (Gioia del Colle) and a couple of Radar (ROC NATO Martina Franca) employees and they told me that they scramble an try to intercept more than a dozen of UFOs per year and detect more than 50 Ufos on Military Radar Installations per year.

A couple of them told me they have had a Close Encounter on the Tyrrhenian Sea with an object of roughly 30 meters in diameter.

reply to post by Keylogger

I'm glad you have found a perception of reality you're comfortable with, and works for you. Bravo!
However, you're going to have to let us ignorants and stupids fend for ourselves, and learn the hard way. It's very unfortunate, but there are just too many members here who have a bad habit of thinking for themselves. I know. Fools we are, but until we learn better, you'll just have to forgive our penchant for weighing the evidence, and making up our own mind.