Sources: Sandy Hook 911 tapes reveal cops told to 'wait.

Ok Here is the latest news on Sandy Hook. I am posting 2 links from our local paper.

NEWTOWN -- There are no anguished cries of children in the controversial 911 telephone recordings of the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.

www.ctpost.com...

Newtown schools prepare for Sandy Hook report.

NEWTOWN -- School administrators are preparing parents and staff members for the release of the Sandy Hook investigation report expected on Monday and the media onslaught that will surely follow.

In a letter sent to parents Wednesday, School Superintendent John Reed said that he has been informed that the long-awaited report will be released to the public Monday.

www.ctpost.com...

OOPS! And one more.

Newtown massacre-inspired game sparks outcry!

The perpetrator of the worst grade-school shooting in U.S. history is getting posthumous, and, many say, unwarranted recognition from the very source of his blood lust -- a video game.

To the shock of the families of the 26 victims -- 20 of whom were first-graders -- gamers can re-enact Adam Lanza's rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School in a controversial new online gam

www.ctpost.com...

edit on 21-11-2013 by nighthawk1954 because: (no reason given)

Maybe they were waiting for more backup or to get a better understanding what they were up against.

reply to post by PhoenixOD

It reads that the order was directed at ambulance personnel.

nighthawk1954
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It reads that the order was directed at ambulance personnel.

Perhaps, but this is the problem.

A Newtown law enforcement source who was at the scene, however, said the order to wait was directed at ambulance personnel, and that police entered the school as soon as they arrived.

The law enforcement source, who declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak about the investigation, said officers in the building told dispatchers they had not yet located the shooter, so sending in medical personnel would have put more lives in danger.

A Newtown law enforcement source? What does that even mean? After all of the erroneous, false and disingenuous reporting that was done in Newtown, I'm not confident in trusting unnamed, generic "law enforcement authorities" as quoted by the media.

The law enforcement source, who declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak about the investigation

Well then, whatever that "source" has to say carries absolutely no merit whatsoever. When people can put their name and their reputation behind their statements, then it matters.

The call from janitor Rick Thorne who reportedly shouted at the gunman to put down his weapon was actually disconnected by 911 dispatch. Thorne stated the shootings happened "5 minutes ago". If police had not yet found Thorne it might indicate that indeed they did wait before entering the building. This is also inferred by firsthand accounts from Newtown PD who said they got in to positions around the building to enter simultaneously. Here is where several crucial minutes may have been lost.

I had always believed something was being covered up at Sandy Hook or that the weapons at the scene were swapped to help fit a political agenda on order of higher authorities. Remember initial reports stated only handguns were used then it was changed to an AR15 later in the day after Federal authorities arrived on scene.

The questions I would like to have answered are:
Who made the decision that only police could enter the building and why?
Who ascertained that all the children were dead on scene and beyond medical help (we know it had to be police but who among them?)
Why was the usual mass casualty incident protocol cast aside in this particular event and only this event?
Why did it take nearly an hour for the first victims to reach Danbury Hospital only 12 miles away?
What was the final disposition and make of all the weapons said to brought to the school by Adam Lanza?
What did Medical examiner Carver mean when he said that "he hoped this wouldn't crashing down around the heads of Newtown later" ?
Besides Noah Pozner did any of the parents see the bodies of their children after they were murdered?
Why would they arrest a fellow officer in the woods who showed up?

Eta:

Danbury State's Attorney Stephen Sedensky will release his summary on that date and a full state police report, which sources said will be thousands of pages, will be released at a date yet to be determined.

www.policeone.com...

Don't get your hopes up for answers. Only a summary is being released. Yet another delay, another change from normal procedure in regards to Sandy Hook. How long does it take to put together the information, I mean c'mon it's been nearly a year and we will not see a full report until 2014? Maybe?

This also struck me as odd - is it common practice to show crime reports to the families of victims before being released to the public?

Last week, Gov. Dannel P. Malloy said it was time to release the report so that the families had time to review it well before the one-year anniversary of the shooting.

reply to post by nighthawk1954


well as far as i know ambulances are not allowed into a live fire zone. Ive seen it happen before where they are told to wait. Sometimes they are not sure if there is more than one shooter so ambulances have to wait until it is confirmed that the area is totally safe.

Its standard procedure not conspiracy.

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The police make the decision to not let anyone enter the scene. It is their call. It is their scene. They will not let anyone in until the scene is deemed secure for obvious reasons. That includes paramedics.

In our county paramedics will tell our dispatch that they are staging near the scene, waiting for the all clear from the police.

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Once the scene is declared inactive paramedics should have been able to attend the victims. So far as I know police cannot make final determinations of death which is why even patients dead for several minutes will be airlifted to the nearest hospital to make efforts at reviving them. What happened at Sandy Hook was not standard protocol.
The only victims to arrive at Danbury hospital did not do so until 10:30 - a full 45 minutes after the shooting was over. Nobody was "rushed " anywhere despite the hyperbole inserted in news articles.

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You are correct in the fact that paramedics and doctors pronounce people dead, not the police.

The only logical explanation I can think in that situation is that when a small child is shot multiple times in the head, especially with an AR, it is quite obvious they are dead. However, there have been numerous cases where a person has been shot in the head/vitals and survived.

But you are correct, standard protocol is for paramedics and doctors to announce death.

couldn't find the audio files on that article, were they not included? kind of odd to have an article abount 9/11 calls without them giving them to be listened to

nothing at sandy hook adds up and shame on ats for censorship of this issue!

bluestorm
nothing at sandy hook adds up and shame on ats for censorship of this issue!

I tend to agree whats wrong with debating Sandy Hook?

The official account definitely has some timeline problems. I for one don't believe anything coming from the 'authorities.'

www.cnn.com...
Authorities say the first emergency call about the shooting came in at "approximately" 9:30 a.m.
Police and other first responders arrived on scene about 20 minutes after the first calls

www.youtube.com...
Earwitness Shari Burton says shooting went on for 20-25 minutes

www.courant.com...
(Newtown schools Superintendent Janet)Robinson said first responders arrived in three minutes,

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they cried in a sh thread.

christ almighty...

bluestorm
nothing at sandy hook adds up and shame on ats for censorship of this issue!

What do you mean censorship? How is ATS censoring this issue?

even if the victims were all ready deceased, it should not matter in a situation supposedly like sandy hook . the police as well as the paramedics should have entered as soon as they arrived on the scene . if there is a cop available to stop people from going in , there is a cop available to at the very least escort a paramedic in . i know a bunch of people who would have charged in un armed just to try and help the victims .

IsawWHATtheyDID
... if there is a cop available to stop people from going in , there is a cop available to at the very least escort a paramedic in . i know a bunch of people who would have charged in un armed just to try and help the victims .

The same thing happened at Columbine(4-20-99), where the cops stood around outside while the shots were heard inside the school. Cops physically prevented parents from entering the school to save their kids.

IsawWHATtheyDID
even if the victims were all ready deceased, it should not matter in a situation supposedly like sandy hook . the police as well as the paramedics should have entered as soon as they arrived on the scene . if there is a cop available to stop people from going in , there is a cop available to at the very least escort a paramedic in . i know a bunch of people who would have charged in un armed just to try and help the victims .

Well..yeah, that is my thinking too.

I mean, in a situation that is vastly more life threatening, like a war zone for example..the medic doesn't wait around for the enemy to get bored and go away before they try and treat someone who's been shot do they...so why would the police not risk themselves to potentially save the lives of up to hundreds of children and staff?

OK..be careful obviously, but confronting those who are busy killing women and children is actually part of their remit...if they don't have the courage (and that's OK, many people don't) to actually carry out their job, they ought to think about a career with less risk.

They didn't know if kids were dead, dying, about to be killed or tortured, raped or other horrors perpetrated upon them...if they had entered they would have found out no?

Risk is part of the job description for a police constable, as it is for paramedics. And when there are many, many lives of children at risk, taking zero immediate action is unforgivable IMO.

Every life has intrinsic worth it's true, but on the other hand, hundreds of kids are frankly worth more than the danger facing a policeman or woman in such a stituation, which they have voluntarily signed up for by wearing the police uniform.

They ought to have gone in immediately and taken the paramedics with them, no excuses.

starviego

IsawWHATtheyDID
... if there is a cop available to stop people from going in , there is a cop available to at the very least escort a paramedic in . i know a bunch of people who would have charged in un armed just to try and help the victims .

The same thing happened at Columbine(4-20-99), where the cops stood around outside while the shots were heard inside the school. Cops physically prevented parents from entering the school to save their kids.

And if my kids were in such a danger, the cops would have had to have shot me to keep me from going in.

Nothing of Earth short of that would have stopped me.