Abducted by Uncle Sam - Coming To A Bedroom Near You?

Caver78
...Now I have a few questions, since this is indeed a pet-subject with TG may I ask are you looking for any information specifically? I noticed you don't have an aversion to the council of nine material or even the RA material. I personally find this curious, since IMO it plays precisely into both MILAB operations & Neg entity manipulations.

The dancing around possibly looking at who you will flush out of the woodwork with these threads has been interesting, but really isn't it time to get to the point?

I appreciate your input and I gave 'em a 'once-over' but I'll dig deeper into your links and see if they hit me.

I am interested in The Nine and the Ra material, but not because I believe they are truth. I see them more as clues and indicators of the gubmint/occult iceberg just below the surface.

Dancing? Get to the point you say? Doing my best, brudda...and just maybe making some progress, but it's a tough row to hoe.

Maybe you feel like you have a ready-for-primetime clear-cut answer? I look forward to you sharing it here or in a thread.

reply to post by nugget1


You are 100% correct from my perspective.

Now are there super advanced friendly and helpful aliens? Almost certainly. Probably not in this galaxy though or they are letting us clean up our own crap.

Look into it this way; I'm reluctant to say too much about kundalini due to what effect it might have.

If good aliens stepped in and saved us and we didn't change our fundamental nature; they might accidentally create an interstellar hitler. No matter how advanced a species is its playing with fire arming chimps with advanced tech and knowing that will absolutely be for the best for all involved.

Dancing? Get to the point you say? Doing my best, brudda...and just maybe making some progress, but it's a tough row to hoe.



In dancing I was referring to specifically what answers are you looking for for yourself? Since these topics are a reoccurring theme of yours. Hard to assist if the question is never specifically answered, no?

Personally I found the e-book link as being on the right track since it factors in multiple phenom ins tea of things being segmented.

en.wikipedia.org...

The recorded abduction of Antonio Vilas Boas in Brazil in 1957, one of the earlier cases reported, was the one I referred to on an earlier post of an abduction that I thought was a Government operation.

In reading Timothy Goods new book he goes in-depth into this case and it records an after period where the abducted Boas was visited by US NASA or other officials.

The case recorded in Wiki though has important differences from the Good narration.
But this case to my eye is a government op. This being done in Brazil in 1957 may be the beginning, or a test case, of the US government Army operations of abductions later carried out more frequently and adroitly in the USA.


en.wikipedia.org...

At the time of his alleged abduction, Antonio Vilas-Boas was a 23-year-old Brazilian farmer who was working at night to avoid the hot temperatures of the day. On October 16, 1957, he was ploughing fields near São Francisco de Sales when he saw what he described as a "red star" in the night sky. According to his story, this "star" approached his position, growing in size until it became recognizable as a roughly circular or egg-shaped aerial craft, with a red light at its front and a rotating cupola on top. The craft began descending to land in the field, extending three "legs" as it did so. At that point, Boas decided to run from the scene. According to Boas, he first attempted to leave the scene on his tractor, but when its lights and engine died after traveling only a short distance, he decided to continue on foot. However, he was seized by a 1.5 m (five-foot) tall humanoid, who was wearing grey coveralls and a helmet. Its eyes were small and blue, and instead of speech it made noises like barks or yelps. Three similar beings then joined the first in subduing Boas, and they dragged him inside their craft. ext

Once inside the craft, Boas said that he was stripped of his clothes and covered from head-to-toe with a strange gel. He was then led into a large semicircular room, through a doorway that had strange red symbols written over it. (Boas claimed that he was able to memorize these symbols and later reproduced them for investigators.) In this room the beings took samples of Boas' blood from his chin. After this he was then taken to a third room and left alone for around half an hour. During this time, some kind of gas was pumped into the room, which made Boas become violently ill. Shortly after this, Boas claimed that he was joined in the room by another humanoid. This one, however, was female, very attractive, and naked. She was the same height as the other beings he had encountered, with a small, pointed chin and large, blue catlike eyes. The hair on her head was long and white (somewhat like platinum blonde) but her underarm and pubic hair were bright red. Boas said he was strongly attracted to the woman, and the two had sexual intercourse. During this act, Boas noted that the female did not kiss him but instead nipped him on the chin. When it was all over, the female smiled at Boas, rubbing her belly and gestured upwards. Boas took this to mean that she was going to raise their child in space. The female seemed relieved that their "task" was over, and Boas himself said that he felt angered by the situation, because he felt as though he had been little more than "a good stallion" for the humanoids. Boas said that he was then given back his clothing and taken on a tour of the ship by the humanoids. During this tour he said that he attempted to take a clock-like device as proof of his encounter, but was caught by the humanoids and prevented from doing so. He was then escorted off the ship and watched as it took off, glowing brightly. When Boas returned home, he discovered that four hours had passed. Antonio Vilas Boas later became a lawyer, married and had four children. He died in 1992, and stuck to the story of his alleged abduction for his entire life.xt

reply to post by Willtell


Why do you think that this case of a farmer being 'studded out'
was a military abduction?

KPB

Voulez vous coucher avec ET?!?

Jacque Vallee, in his book "Revelations", discloses a case of French abduction 'psyops'! He documents it in detail right from the first report by 'witnesses' to the final conclusions of his own investigations…

Here's a link to a free online copy of the book: Revelations by Jacque Vallee

I haven't yet read the whole book as I had been trying to find the particular case (after seeing a mention in an interview) to link in this thread, but it looks like a good read - as is everything I've read by Vallee so far.

Anyway, if you are interested in the 'abduction' story of Franck Fontaine, you want -

Chapter 5, "Purple Justice"...

reply to post by lostgirl


Thanks!

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


The case seems so different from the later cases that it seems to me this may be the USA beginning their operations and doing this as a try out.

Later they became more adept in this and the scenarios were more technical utilizing more hypnoses and or drugs

This guy could have been all drugged up and hallucinatory as well inundated with radiation and later the people sent to him to check out how he is doing since their abduction and tests they did to him.

That seems a logical possibility to me.

reply to post by Willtell


Your point is valid, thanks.

KPB

reply to post by lostgirl


Thanks lost and found girl!

reply to post by lostgirl


That PDF was excellent. Now I know why people
talk about the author.!

Thanks.

reply to post by Willtell


Well, and somewhere (maybe an interview) Vallee pointed out how similar the Fontaine case was to Travis Walton's, which was just four years earlier...

lostgirl
reply to post by Willtell

 

Well, and somewhere (maybe an interview) Vallee pointed out how similar the Fontaine case was to Travis Walton's, which was just four years earlier...

Spooky stuff. I just haven't picked up the reasoning behind these actions. What are they getting out of these 'field studies' that makes it so important to dedicate the time and money towards faking abductions?

Maybe this is part of Vallee's plan to monkey with the control system by inserting a new narrative? I have no idea.

reply to post by 1ofthe9

Maybe this is part of Vallee's plan to monkey with the control system by inserting a new narrative? I have no idea

Have you considered that Vallee is being honest? Have you considered
that some of these other 'characters' are in fact being honest about
the spooky nature of UFOs at least?

(I agree that they are quite possibly being less than honest about
Military abductions?)

Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if the military was being made to look
like a fool too, and that's the thing that they don't want to admit?

I'm basically 100% certain this is the case.

Now, are a few people in the military or out of the military possibly
'in on the joke'? Yep. I'm pretty sure of that. But for the most part?
No.

I'm pretty much waiting to be contacted by someone, to admit that
is true. Of course if I was contacted I'm sure they'd stress that
I better not tell anyone..

1ofthe9
Spooky stuff. I just haven't picked up the reasoning behind these actions. What are they getting out of these 'field studies' that makes it so important to dedicate the time and money towards faking abductions?

Maybe this is part of Vallee's plan to monkey with the control system by inserting a new narrative? I have no idea.

No, I think that Vallee is very sincere in wanting to improve the science/professionalism of UFO research. Being absolutely diligent in using the most stringent of scientific protocols in his investigations in order to keep the wheat separated from the chaff, he wants to get the waters clear - not muddy them….

Here's a link to a really great interview published in "FATE magazine" in 1978:

www.ufoevidence.org...

It's an incredibly informative article and includes outlining some of his 'personal' methods of research. My take on Vallee's idea of 'testing' the "control system", is that even he isn't quite clear on how this might be done - but he does give a brief example (non-UFO related) of the type of 'monkey-ing' that he thinks could work…

lostgirl

1ofthe9
Spooky stuff. I just haven't picked up the reasoning behind these actions. What are they getting out of these 'field studies' that makes it so important to dedicate the time and money towards faking abductions?

Maybe this is part of Vallee's plan to monkey with the control system by inserting a new narrative? I have no idea.

No, I think that Vallee is very sincere in wanting to improve the science/professionalism of UFO research. Being absolutely diligent in using the most stringent of scientific protocols in his investigations in order to keep the wheat separated from the chaff, he wants to get the waters clear - not muddy them….

Here's a link to a really great interview published in "FATE magazine" in 1978:

www.ufoevidence.org...

It's an incredibly informative article and includes outlining some of his 'personal' methods of research. My take on Vallee's idea of 'testing' the "control system", is that even he isn't quite clear on how this might be done - but he does give a brief example (non-UFO related) of the type of 'monkey-ing' that he thinks could work…

Yes, but who's to say his idea didn't strike the fancy of folks in the crowd he was running with in the 70's and 80's.

"When I speak of a control system for planet earth," he says, " I do not want my words to be misunderstood: I do not mean that some higher order of beings has locked us inside the constraints of a space-bound jail, closely monitored by psychic entities we might call angels or demons. I do not propose to redefine God. What I do mean is that mythology rules at a level of our social reality over which normal political and intellectual action has no power…."

Oh man. I know what The GUT means when he talks about Vallee hinting at things. That's some straight up Gnostic stuff right there. Hello Demiurge...

reply to post by 1ofthe9

Hello Demiurge...

Yah -- but for a mystic --- you keep peeling the onion..
keep peeling the onion -- keep discarding delusion and
illusion and partial understanding.. you look until you
hit the end of all reality..

and at the last you see the back of a stranger looking
into the distance

and of course it's your own back.

Ultimately, if there is a demiurge... there is a place
in awareness.. like a mousepointer hovering above
the map of everything.. there is a place where a
really good mystic can drop into it, and become
the demiurge too..

So the mystics challenge; if you can be anywhere,
anywhen, and limit yourself as much or as little
as you wish..

where do YOU decide to draw the boundaries?

I keep asking myself that..

Right now I'm in this place where Ra and the
Collective and the Human Group Soul and
some in the military, some in the evil
organizations.. some amoung even the
few 'good' guys.. are talking shop about
all this..

I get bits and pieces every day..

But this is an illusion / delusion too..

but do I really want to be a 'worm'
living in a black hole and imagining
this entire world in concert with
others?

Do I really want that to be the truth?

Not really.

Is there a deeper reality than that?
You bet.

But maybe I don't want that reality
etiher... that's why I'm here right
now.

I know I sound utterly mad. But
this is what it's REALLY like to
be a mystic.. this much mental
freedom.. all the while desiring
to interact with regular people
and to do regular logic and science
as well.

Some might say it's an overabundance
of imagination.

But if it's madness; it's a very creative
and intuitive madness that leads to
wonderful creative thought and sometimes
actual discoveries.

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by 1ofthe9

 

Hello Demiurge...

Yah -- but for a mystic --- you keep peeling the onion..
keep peeling the onion -- keep discarding delusion and
illusion and partial understanding.. you look until you
hit the end of all reality..

and at the last you see the back of a stranger looking
into the distance

and of course it's your own back.

Ultimately, if there is a demiurge... there is a place
in awareness.. like a mousepointer hovering above
the map of everything.. there is a place where a
really good mystic can drop into it, and become
the demiurge too..

So the mystics challenge; if you can be anywhere,
anywhen, and limit yourself as much or as little
as you wish..

where do YOU decide to draw the boundaries?

I keep asking myself that..

Right now I'm in this place where Ra and the
Collective and the Human Group Soul and
some in the military, some in the evil
organizations.. some amoung even the
few 'good' guys.. are talking shop about
all this..

I get bits and pieces every day..

But this is an illusion / delusion too..

but do I really want to be a 'worm'
living in a black hole and imagining
this entire world in concert with
others?

Do I really want that to be the truth?

Not really.

Is there a deeper reality than that?
You bet.

But maybe I don't want that reality
etiher... that's why I'm here right
now.

I know I sound utterly mad. But
this is what it's REALLY like to
be a mystic.. this much mental
freedom.. all the while desiring
to interact with regular people
and to do regular logic and science
as well.

Some might say it's an overabundance
of imagination.

But if it's madness; it's a very creative
and intuitive madness that leads to
wonderful creative thought and sometimes
actual discoveries.

KPB

I actually have developed a deeper appreciation of how spirituality and such fit into human psychology if nothing else. This is coming from a otherwise hardcore atheist. Taking on the role of the mystic puts one in a very liminal state. Its also what I think is at the heart of John Alexander's interest in shamanism... I have a friend who has been teaching English in Mongolia. He hangs out and drinks with the local Shamans; they apparently regard UFOs as just another spiritual phenomena and don't pay them much mind. Raises two questions right off the bat I'll try to answer when hes online again:

1) What are the sighting rates in Mongolia? Thats ideal country for running something like Project Identification in.

2) How much are we seeing and disregarding?

reply to post by 1ofthe9

1) What are the sighting rates in Mongolia? Thats ideal country for running something like Project Identification in.
2) How much are we seeing and disregarding?

That would be utterly fascinating! I would LOVE to get this info!

I wouldn't be surprised if the sightings were very low in Mongolia
(as a Sioux I might have Mongolian DNA - isn't that cool?).

Do you know why? It's part of my theory about PSP.

The reason or sightings?

Two-fold.

1) To do the magician's trick to divert attention away from the 'REAL'
reality.. the 'awful truth' we dare not let ourselves know.

2) To excite people and to 'farm' for people who will get obsessed
with the experience and reach out with an 'energy link' and make
contact. Then, if the candidate is suitable, a LONE light globe will
come to investigate.. the one that got the actual 'link'; the one
most suitable with the candidate.

I'd say that real shaman's have their own 'spirits' they do business
with 7 days a week, 365 days per year.. they don't need to be
'farmed'.

But it would be delightful to be either right or wrong on this
prediction.. and even if I'm wrong on the prediction.. I might
still learn from the data and fine tune the hypothesis.

I'd sure love to chat with General Alexander.. I doubt THAT
would happen..

About the "Liminal" ---- fascinating word. I'd never used it
myself.

The reason for the 'Liminality' is quite obvious.. if you define
yourself with symbols, you suffer and are powerless in many
ways.. this is both Shamanism and old style Buddhism. And
if you play with Kundalini this sort of purification is necessary.
as EVERTY thought and EVERY hunger in your mind becomes
magnified 10 fold during the physical process.. so it's best
to be 'lean and mean' so that "The Forbidden Planet effect"
doesn't tear you apart.

Also, you don't have a chance of 'tuning into something else'
if you are full of your own delusions and symbols.

Now, I have no idea if you were interested in all that.. but
the subject is on-topic In my opinion anyway.

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by 1ofthe9

 

1) What are the sighting rates in Mongolia? Thats ideal country for running something like Project Identification in.
2) How much are we seeing and disregarding?

That would be utterly fascinating! I would LOVE to get this info!

I wouldn't be surprised if the sightings were very low in Mongolia
(as a Sioux I might have Mongolian DNA - isn't that cool?).

Do you know why? It's part of my theory about PSP.

The reason or sightings?

Two-fold.

1) To do the magician's trick to divert attention away from the 'REAL'
reality.. the 'awful truth' we dare not let ourselves know.

2) To excite people and to 'farm' for people who will get obsessed
with the experience and reach out with an 'energy link' and make
contact. Then, if the candidate is suitable, a LONE light globe will
come to investigate.. the one that got the actual 'link'; the one
most suitable with the candidate.

I'd say that real shaman's have their own 'spirits' they do business
with 7 days a week, 365 days per year.. they don't need to be
'farmed'.

But it would be delightful to be either right or wrong on this
prediction.. and even if I'm wrong on the prediction.. I might
still learn from the data and fine tune the hypothesis.

I'd sure love to chat with General Alexander.. I doubt THAT
would happen..

About the "Liminal" ---- fascinating word. I'd never used it
myself.

The reason for the 'Liminality' is quite obvious.. if you define
yourself with symbols, you suffer and are powerless in many
ways.. this is both Shamanism and old style Buddhism. And
if you play with Kundalini this sort of purification is necessary.
as EVERTY thought and EVERY hunger in your mind becomes
magnified 10 fold during the physical process.. so it's best
to be 'lean and mean' so that "The Forbidden Planet effect"
doesn't tear you apart.

Also, you don't have a chance of 'tuning into something else'
if you are full of your own delusions and symbols.

Now, I have no idea if you were interested in all that.. but
the subject is on-topic In my opinion anyway.

KPB

edit on 24-11-2013 by KellyPrettyBear because: (no reason given)

Its right in line with my readings on occultism actually. You might be interested in the Chaos Magick writings on servitors and egregores...