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Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by OneFreeMan
So you can't actually debunk any of my points?
Wouldn't it just be more honest to admit that?
It would also save you a lot of time and angst since you 'd no longer have to put up with debunkers showing why chemtrails are a hoax any more.
OneFreeMan
My last comment here. It seems no matter what I might say regarding my consistent
observations over the course of years now, I will be challenged and refuted.
I told you their have been no chemtrails here for the last month or so and that
today the chemtrails returned, with the number and frequency of planes flying
over increasing drastically, ALL leaving these trails that were completely absent
over the last month. The sky wert from blue to grey within an hour. And it was
being deliberately done and as clear as day.
You have no reason to doubt my word and I have no reason to lie.
If you continue
to doubt my word, then, to me, you are a plant, and you should be dealt with appropriately
by moderators, if this is an above board site.
That's all.
crankyoldman
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
why do you care at all?
“The chemtrail conspiracy theory posits that some trails left by aircraft are chemical or biological agents deliberately sprayed at high altitudes for purposes undisclosed to the general public and directed by various government officials.”
Contrail persistence is nothing new or abnormal - there is ample evidence of them in WW2, and some from before then.Text
But none of these are the chemtrails people are complaining about - long white lines in the sky at high altitude that can expand out into clouds, that come from airliners, that have a gap between them and the engines, etc.
not from airliners, not started in 1950, not for geoengineering, easily detected.....ticks none of the boxes for geoengineering/chemtrails at all!!
Geoengineering wouldn't take place at altitudes being seen - it would be in the stratosphere - airliners and contrails are only operating in the lower part of the stratosphere, and that not all the time. The aircraft being seen are not capable of accomplishing effective geoengineering at the sort of altitudes being proposed.
There is a distinct frequency of less "chemtrail" reports during the previously documented seasonal lull in summer timeText
Text- The rain, snow, dust, hair and blood samples show nothing unusual - dirt literally blows in the wind!
Historical records of aerosol, particulate, atmospheric solar transmission/dimming do not indicate perturbations which would be a sign of ongoing geoengineering. Cities around the world have publically available data on air pollution you can check!
Chaos is the science of surprises, of the nonlinear and the unpredictable. It teaches us to expect the unexpected. While most traditional science deals with supposedly predictable phenomena like gravity, electricity, or chemical reactions, Chaos Theory deals with nonlinear things that are effectively impossible to predict or control, like turbulence, weather, the stock market, our brain states, and so on. These phenomena are often described by fractal mathematics, which captures the infinite complexity of nature. Many natural objects exhibit fractal properties, including landscapes, clouds, trees, organs, rivers etc, and many of the systems in which we live exhibit complex, chaotic behavior. Recognizing the chaotic, fractal nature of our world can give us new insight, power, and wisdom. For example, by understanding the complex, chaotic dynamics of the atmosphere, a balloon pilot can “steer” a balloon to a desired location. By understanding that our ecosystems, our social systems, and our economic systems are interconnected, we can hope to avoid actions which may end up being detrimental to our long-term well-being.
The Butterfly Effect: This effect grants the power to cause a hurricane in China to a butterfly flapping its wings in New Mexico. It may take a very long time, but the connection is real.
- Patents are simply ideas and what is described in the patents being touted as evidence of geoengineering do not align with what is being seen and no evidence exists to indicate these patents are in use.Text
The ice budget argument - contrails contain massively more water than aircraft can actually carry, and water is lighter than any of the proposed substances, so there's no way any aircraft could actually carry enough of anything to make a trail that big in the first place!
. The fact that such a large-scale, multi-national operation has been kept secret, despite the fact that hundreds, if not thousands (or tens of thousands) of people would be required to implement such a programme. Contrary to popular belief, the Manhattan project was not kept secret - there were Soviet spies in it - and to the extent that it was kept secret it took wartime, physical isolation, and considerably less social media than exists right now.
From “The Manhattan-Rochester Coalition, research on the health effects of radioactive materials, and tests on vulnerable populations without consent in St. Louis”
Ethical autism is defined as the purposeful reduction, manipulation, or blockage of information inside an organization or group, intended to 1) distort reality 2) minimize awareness of collective illegal or unethical activity 3) create a false sense of security to members of the organization from outside threats due to illegal or unethical activity 4) to stifle opposition, open debate, and ensure conformity to the organizational goals. Ethical autism is a reflection of a systemic problem that allows unethical or criminal behavior within an organization to go unchecked, unchallenged, whereby the significance of events are underestimated or misinterpreted by an internal audience. e. It impairs the ability for those involved, to fully understand or appreciate their contribution towards unethical or illegal actions by the organization.
Similar to ethical autism, social autism also results from particular activities designed to engineer complacency. Targeting external audiences, the intention is to 1) distort reality2) minimize awareness of an entity’s illegal or unethical activity 3) create a false sense of security to the general public in an effort to hide illegal or unethical activity 4) to stifle opposition, open debate, and insure uninterrupted organizational goals in an external audience. A social autism will occur when political, military, and/or economic organizations systematically and purposefully impede meaningful information flow, which manifests as a public misunderstanding of reality and potential danger, and suppression of full and open debate related to particular organizational actions and their effects on society or groups.
The colours seen in some trails can only be made by refraction from ice crystals, and not from a powder. Look up Refraction.
The gap between engine and trails indicates they are JUST condensing water. Trails of anything else would not have any gap - water has it because it takes a small time to freeze, and until it does so it is invisible water vapour
- Grid patterns are the inevitable result of intersecting routes, and wind.
Everything that's been identified as a chemtrail has, IMO, looked, behaved and been generated exactly like a contrail. There is no evidence whatsoever to support the oft repeated idea that "contrails always dissipate quickly"
I've been working in civil aviation since 1976 - in various roles to do with aircraft maintenance for airlines including as a mechanic, as a maintenance planner, as a quality assurance engineer, and yes, for a national airworthiness authority.Text
taketheredpill
Oh dear, where to begin …So you are saying that contrails “contain massively more water than aircraft can actually carry…..so there’s no way any aircraft could actually carry enough of anything to make a trail that big in the first place”- So by your logic, contrails cannot exist as no aircraft could carry the water needed. Correct me if I am wrong with my analysis of your logic.
“Water is lighter than any of the proposed substances”
That all depends on the ratio of the proposed substances as opposed to the ratio of water. Let me put this another way… A kilogram of feathers weighs the same as a kilogram of stone.
Nanomaterials behave vastly different than bulk materials do.
But certain chemicals will either attract or repel that water.
mrthumpy
taketheredpill
Oh dear, where to begin …So you are saying that contrails “contain massively more water than aircraft can actually carry…..so there’s no way any aircraft could actually carry enough of anything to make a trail that big in the first place”- So by your logic, contrails cannot exist as no aircraft could carry the water needed. Correct me if I am wrong with my analysis of your logic.
“Water is lighter than any of the proposed substances”
That all depends on the ratio of the proposed substances as opposed to the ratio of water. Let me put this another way… A kilogram of feathers weighs the same as a kilogram of stone.
Nanomaterials behave vastly different than bulk materials do.
Yes your analysis is wrong. Virtually all of the water in a contrail is already in the atmosphere.
ciresweb.colorado.edu...
BTW. A kilo of nano particles weighs the same as a kilo of water.
taketheredpill
How would a grid pattern stay a grid pattern if the wind was blowing it – ALL - of the trails in the same direction? Think about it – the sky would be a big smudge of trails instead – not a checkerboard pattern as some people report.
WonderBoi
But certain chemicals will either attract or repel that water.
mrthumpy
taketheredpill
Oh dear, where to begin …So you are saying that contrails “contain massively more water than aircraft can actually carry…..so there’s no way any aircraft could actually carry enough of anything to make a trail that big in the first place”- So by your logic, contrails cannot exist as no aircraft could carry the water needed. Correct me if I am wrong with my analysis of your logic.
“Water is lighter than any of the proposed substances”
That all depends on the ratio of the proposed substances as opposed to the ratio of water. Let me put this another way… A kilogram of feathers weighs the same as a kilogram of stone.
Nanomaterials behave vastly different than bulk materials do.
Yes your analysis is wrong. Virtually all of the water in a contrail is already in the atmosphere.
ciresweb.colorado.edu...
BTW. A kilo of nano particles weighs the same as a kilo of water.
taketheredpill
Yes you are correct – in the case of ACTUAL contrails this is true. However, we are talking about CHEMTRAILS and as such, these facts do not apply. Are you telling me that you have never seen a video of a plane leaving a trail that has no gap between the engine and the trail? Or a photo?
Contrail – 2 engines = 2 trails with said distance between engine and trail
Chemtrail – 2 engines = More than 2 trails with no distance between trail and 2 engines
taketheredpill
reply to post by mrthumpy
I am addressing the fact that contrails are said to be the result of water from the exaust of the planes. So what exactly is it that the water from the atmosphere is condensing onto then?
And yes I know that a kilo of nano particles weighs the same as a kilo of water. You dont want to actually address the rest of my point in how nanoparticles behave in the atmosphere? Why? Did you actually read what comment I was answering? That Aloysius said that the proposed materials weigh more than water? What is your point exactly? Is the information I included too much to get your head around?
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taketheredpill
reply to post by mrthumpy
No, but they do change shape as the wind blows them.
taketheredpill
Maybe you need to consult your dictionary again. Refraction is when light bends because of the change in density of the transmission medium - like when you see a spoon in a glass of water bending as it travels first through air then into water. Refraction does not change the light into individual colour spectra, it just bends it. Dispersion is when white light travels through a prism and splits into the colours of the visible spectrum- red, yellow, orange, green, blue, indigo and violet. Each colour represents a distinct wave frequency. A rainbow is essentially white light refracted and dispersed through raindrops from the sun shining behind you. As you chose not to provide pictures of what you are referring to, I can only assume cloud iridescence is what you are talking about.
The Mk VII was a pressurised fighter. It had a more advanced pressurisation system than the Mk VI, using a sliding cockpit canopy, which was more popular than the locked cockpit on the Mk VI. The best high altitude version of the Mk VII was powered by the Merlin 71, and could reach 416mph at 44,000 ft.
There is a whole branch of science dedicated to geoengineering that includes many different methods.