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reply to post by BDBinc
Not close to accurate in terms of me.
But thanks for taking your personal time to write that post.
But I will agree, that the lie about a loving God throwing
people into hell, which is at the heart of Christianity
for a lot of Christians is without a doubt, the most
foul thing ever invented by a human mind and hidden
inside of "Love".
I'd say the exact same thing, no matter which religion
or spiritual system were the one committing that
obscenity. In fact there seem to be various religions
which are based on this lie. I can think of another
one with 1.5 billion worshippers. I'm sure there
Count yourself very fortunate to have been freed from it
there's more than one god in the bible. just so's ya know.
one hates humans and the other created them and has been actively defending them, ever since.edit on 10-11-2013 by undo because: (no reason given)
reply to post by undo
I've read "Flying Serpents and Dragons" and various books like that.
They make a delightful story.
They just aren't true
(according to my observations)
so we will have to agree to disagree.
We don't need all that colorful but inaccurate story-telling
any more than we need the current codified inaccurate
but colorful story-telling.
Both are traps, which make one a prisoner; mere
distractions on the path of love, life and doing the
work of growing up to be a mature human.
I'm stopping the tracking of this post, due to so little
on-topic discussion. However the responses that did
happen were very educational in terms of human
This is a white elephant in the room that should be discussed.
Now I know a lot of 'haters' will use this thread to spread hate.
Some of those 'haters' will no doubt be Christians, some Atheists;
a large variety of perspectives no doubt. Others will just want
to discuss an important issue carefully.
Now a lot of people are initially attracted to Christianity by
love.. they want to be loved.. they want to be loved by God
and they want to be loved by other Christians. When I was
about 14 this described me. I was being abused and molested.
I was very open to being loved by a human being and/or by
What I soon learned, is that all that 'love' in fact comes with
a mountain range of strings attached. There is nothing agape
(divine) about the love..in fact it's so laced with strings
attached, I cannot in good conscience call it love at all.
Let's change the subject for a minute, to dopey old human
love, without anything Christian about it, to examine the
If you have a friend who says that they love you, but oh
by the way --- here's a book with 250,000 words in it;
now memorize that book and follow what it says,
or you are 'straying away' (from the love), why then
your friend will think you are loveless and insane too.
That's just one example.
But any child knows, that if you load down 'love' with
all these 'strings' then it isn't love at all.
Now back to Christianity.
Jesus never said to any of the prostitutes, tax collectors
and other dregs of society that he hung out with,
"I'll love you, if you do what I say. Do what I say, or I
will cast you into a burning pit!"
Now, a lot of Christians will strongly state that Jesus
would have gotten around to 'business'. In fact
I hear a lot of Christians say that Christianity
is not about love.. not primarily.. its about
reciting that little magic spell "I believe in Jesus
the one and only Son of God; there is no other
way to the Father but by him. etc.".
Well whether Christianity IS or ISN'T about love..
I really think it's fair to say, that one of the major
reasons that Christians get so much disrespect,
is when some of them attach all those strings
to 'their love'.
No living human, even Christians, respect people
who put strings on their love.
Yet if anyone calls a Christian on this bad behavior,
then suddenly "Christians are being persecuted".
So many Christians think that their religion gives
them unlimited "cover" (if God is on your side
who can be against you?) and by "God" they
mean their fractional, partial knowledge of
a book written a hundred years after very
debatable facts.. but more than that.. most
Christians I've known quote stuff off the
internet, stuff written by Christian authors
and all sorts of stuff... nearly NONE of which
is something Jesus ever said at all.
The fact of the matter is, the most loving
people I've ever met have been atheists,
agnostics and humanists. Also have met
some very loving witches and a few loving
But Christians? I've yet to meet a loving
Christian (loves without any strings
Now are there some loving Christians?
No doubt. Probably millions of them.
I wish Christians understood how much
I love them.. I wish Christians wouldn't
assume that I'm some horrible person,
because I have the audacity to love,
without forcing others to follow my
philosophy of life.
I'd say that this "Christian Love" phenomenon
is a conspiracy alright.. a conspiracy to
defraud genuine love.. to wheel in another
I'd say that's what it looks like to a lot of
Love.... genuine no strings attached love,
no agenda, nothing to sell, no head trip..