Christianity and "Love"

reply to post by Rex282


Thanks for your post. Nowhere did you spew venom and hate at me,
for which I thank you.

I actually enjoy discussing issues relating to the Bible and have no
issue with someone drawing a lot from it and from Jesus, so long
as they are not just 'cruising for souls' rather than following the
example of their savior.

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by BDBinc

 

Naw.

Not close to accurate in terms of me.

But thanks for taking your personal time to write that post.

But I will agree, that the lie about a loving God throwing
people into hell, which is at the heart of Christianity
for a lot of Christians is without a doubt, the most
foul thing ever invented by a human mind and hidden
inside of "Love".

I'd say the exact same thing, no matter which religion
or spiritual system were the one committing that
obscenity. In fact there seem to be various religions
which are based on this lie. I can think of another
one with 1.5 billion worshippers. I'm sure there
are others.

Yes I agree.There is no doctrine of man that is more heinous.It not only falsely indicts the creator God as the most vile monster in existence it also colors everything those that those that believe it say and do.It is worse than the most insidious disease.Yahoshua said those that believe it cannot be freed from that state of bondage(the meaning of forgiveness) in this age nor the one to come ....that is how serious it is.

I have nothing but empathy for those infected while simultaneously loathing that doctrine.They literally don't know what they are doing(believing). Count yourself very fortunate to have been freed from it.The many are called that are in that state of bondage will eventually be freed also.

reply to post by Rex282

Count yourself very fortunate to have been freed from it

I am! I'm one of the very few it seems, who was ensnared by
the monstrous lies about a hateful god who destroys his
children, and somehow I found my past all that insanity
to 'hear the actual message' and to 'do the work in the
field'.

I love witnessing about love to even the most hateful persons.

KPB

there's more than one god in the bible. just so's ya know.

one hates humans and the other created them and has been actively defending them, ever since.

undo
there's more than one god in the bible. just so's ya know.

one hates humans and the other created them and has been actively defending them, ever since.

edit on 10-11-2013 by undo because: (no reason given)

Friend,

(i'd like that to be an accurate assessment by the way),

I'm not going to get into the god=evil and Lucifer=good
discussion. I know some people like to use those metaphors.
I don't find that helpful.

If you have to use a book written by thousands of confused
old dead dudes that hate love and life in the real world
(so much so that they create a vast, evil fantasy land),
then you have a problem.

Love is a real thing.. God is a real thing.. (the universe
is here..).. there's no need to turn ones head into mush.

KPB

start at the beginning:

the first adam were created males and females in the image of elohim. these were not human beings. they were elohim, second generation. the translators decided to change the word adam to the word man there, which is wrong. then later, female and male adam were given mammalian procreation by the serpent (dna). this is the fall narrative and these are the first humans. adam names the procreative female, eve, because it means mother (procreator), clearly a word he was already familiar with by seeing the same function in nature.

skip forward a bit, one of the elohim sees that the adam are procreating. since it was his planet, his real estate, he was angry, as procreating humans with eternal elohim bodies, would ruin his planet via over population and other environmental disasters. so he demanded before the heavenly court, as it were, that human dna be nerfed. the nerfed portion was called the tree of life, which was summarily blocked. the legs of the serpent(dna) were removed. the tree of life was that portion of dna responsible for full body regeneration. when dna unzips to make replications of itself it looks like a snake with legs. so the dna for full body regen, no longer unzipped or was simply removed entirely.

the guy who owns the place is intermittently portrayed as jehovah in the old testament. for example, he's the one that decrees the flood, however, now we introduce the god that created humans and gave them procreation, who is called "the serpent" which is a misunderstanding. he was a geneticist. he made the copies of elohim and other lifeforms from previous lifeforms. he created humans. he warned noah of the flood. he confused the languages at babel. the word for this creative scientist was sorcerer. a sorcerer was a doctor of medicine, found under the term, pharmacopeia in some places in the text. serpents wound around staffs? that's his symbol. jesus referred to himself as the serpent moses raised on the staff to bring healing to the people. the great physician and defender of human beings.

the guy who decreed the flood, tried to give the place to jesus in exchange for his fealty. jesus declined as he was going to win it in the heavenly court.

reply to post by undo


Friend,

I've read "Flying Serpents and Dragons" and various books like that.
They make a delightful story.

They just aren't true

(according to my observations)

so we will have to agree to disagree.

We don't need all that colorful but inaccurate story-telling
any more than we need the current codified inaccurate
but colorful story-telling.

Both are traps, which make one a prisoner; mere
distractions on the path of love, life and doing the
work of growing up to be a mature human.

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by undo

 

Friend,

I've read "Flying Serpents and Dragons" and various books like that.
They make a delightful story.

They just aren't true

(according to my observations)

so we will have to agree to disagree.

We don't need all that colorful but inaccurate story-telling
any more than we need the current codified inaccurate
but colorful story-telling.

Both are traps, which make one a prisoner; mere
distractions on the path of love, life and doing the
work of growing up to be a mature human.

KPB

moving the goal post doesn't work with me. when you decide to criticize the text in a way that is inapplicable to the text, whether the text is real or fictitious, expect to find me there correcting the premise upon which you have built your critique. there are actually 3 gods in the old testament, with many minor gods as well. for example, egyptian Amen is Anu (see sumerian father god of heaven). enki is jesus and enlil is the angry dude in the old testament that was killing people at the drop of a hat, cause he hates humans in the first place. he is the source of the firey punishment concept, the guy who decreed the flood and so on. perhaps if you have studied ancient sumerian texts this will make more sense.

in other words, jehovah is literally, 3 different gods who were all called jehovah in the old testament. i view it like a heavenly court room drama. one is the judge (anu), one is prosecuting attorney (enlil) and one is the defense attorney (enki who is jesus). roll into this the whole concept of planets as real estate and the rules governing the events that transpire on that real estate

Just FYI,

I'm stopping the tracking of this post, due to so little
on-topic discussion. However the responses that did
happen were very educational in terms of human
psychology.

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
Just FYI,

I'm stopping the tracking of this post, due to so little
on-topic discussion. However the responses that did
happen were very educational in terms of human
psychology.

KPB

how can you assume its off topic if its the foundation of christianity?

hell is not a firey lake. hell is the grave. the firey place is the lake of fire (look up the egyptian lake of fire). i have no idea why it was considered a place of punishment since you would need a physical body to feel pain and once you're dead, you have no physical body to feel pain with. therefore, i did an indepth study on what it was, and from what i can tell, it sounds like an interdimensional or intergalactic portal of a wormhole of some kind. in other words, it's not even the actual destination, just a description of the event horizon. the way hell became associated with the place of punishment is connected, etymologically, to the garbage heap (called gehenna) outside jewish cities, where the refuse was burned including the dead bodies of people who had died from infectious diseases.

so my final appraisal thus far, is that the old testament is interlaced with enlil moments, who is then assumed to be the creator god (which is incorrect, since even the word jehovah stems from Ea,who was enki) and jehovah as a word is then assigned all the activities of anu, enlil and enki. since only one of those actually created and defended human beings, i'm going to suggest that any concept that sounds like an angry dude who hates humans is behind it, is evidence that he isn't actually jehovah but was given that title by the writers, mistakenly, i do believe.

KellyPrettyBear
Hi,

This is a white elephant in the room that should be discussed.
Now I know a lot of 'haters' will use this thread to spread hate.
Some of those 'haters' will no doubt be Christians, some Atheists;
a large variety of perspectives no doubt. Others will just want
to discuss an important issue carefully.

Now a lot of people are initially attracted to Christianity by
love.. they want to be loved.. they want to be loved by God
and they want to be loved by other Christians. When I was
about 14 this described me. I was being abused and molested.
I was very open to being loved by a human being and/or by
God.

What I soon learned, is that all that 'love' in fact comes with
a mountain range of strings attached. There is nothing agape
(divine) about the love..in fact it's so laced with strings
attached, I cannot in good conscience call it love at all.

Let's change the subject for a minute, to dopey old human
love, without anything Christian about it, to examine the
issue.

If you have a friend who says that they love you, but oh
by the way --- here's a book with 250,000 words in it;
now memorize that book and follow what it says,
or you are 'straying away' (from the love), why then
your friend will think you are loveless and insane too.

That's just one example.

But any child knows, that if you load down 'love' with
all these 'strings' then it isn't love at all.

Now back to Christianity.

Jesus never said to any of the prostitutes, tax collectors
and other dregs of society that he hung out with,
"I'll love you, if you do what I say. Do what I say, or I
will cast you into a burning pit!"

Now, a lot of Christians will strongly state that Jesus
would have gotten around to 'business'. In fact
I hear a lot of Christians say that Christianity
is not about love.. not primarily.. its about
reciting that little magic spell "I believe in Jesus
the one and only Son of God; there is no other
way to the Father but by him. etc.".

Well whether Christianity IS or ISN'T about love..
I really think it's fair to say, that one of the major
reasons that Christians get so much disrespect,
is when some of them attach all those strings
to 'their love'.

No living human, even Christians, respect people
who put strings on their love.

Yet if anyone calls a Christian on this bad behavior,
then suddenly "Christians are being persecuted".

So many Christians think that their religion gives
them unlimited "cover" (if God is on your side
who can be against you?) and by "God" they
mean their fractional, partial knowledge of
a book written a hundred years after very
debatable facts.. but more than that.. most
Christians I've known quote stuff off the
internet, stuff written by Christian authors
and all sorts of stuff... nearly NONE of which
is something Jesus ever said at all.

The fact of the matter is, the most loving
people I've ever met have been atheists,
agnostics and humanists. Also have met
some very loving witches and a few loving
Satanists even.

But Christians? I've yet to meet a loving
Christian (loves without any strings
attached).

Now are there some loving Christians?
No doubt. Probably millions of them.

I wish Christians understood how much
I love them.. I wish Christians wouldn't
assume that I'm some horrible person,
because I have the audacity to love,
without forcing others to follow my
philosophy of life.

I'd say that this "Christian Love" phenomenon
is a conspiracy alright.. a conspiracy to
defraud genuine love.. to wheel in another
convert.

I'd say that's what it looks like to a lot of
people.

Love.... genuine no strings attached love,
no agenda, nothing to sell, no head trip..
actual love..

KPB

Hi,

there is something fundamentally wrong here, to experience christian love is to experience the love of Jesus Christ, not the love of christians.

reply to post by Ove38


boy you ain't just awhistlin' dixie. that was the whole point. we could follow the accuser and go around accusing each other of being human (doh) or we could just accept that we are humans and try to make the best of it. all of us struggle with that to one degree or another, no doubt.

undo
reply to post by Ove38

 

boy you ain't just a whistlin' dixie....

No, I really experience Christ's love, he suffered and died out of love for me

Ove38

undo
reply to post by Ove38

 

boy you ain't just a whistlin' dixie....

No, I really experience Christ's love

hehe, that's just a phrase that means, "exactly!"

undo

Ove38

undo
reply to post by Ove38

 

boy you ain't just a whistlin' dixie....

No, I really experience Christ's love

hehe, that's just a phrase that means, "exactly!"

www.urbandictionary.com...

Ove38

undo

Ove38

undo
reply to post by Ove38

 

boy you ain't just a whistlin' dixie....

No, I really experience Christ's love

hehe, that's just a phrase that means, "exactly!"

www.urbandictionary.com...

yeah but i said you AIN'T whistin dixie.

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Thank you for making this thread. This is exactly what I was trying to say.


Love has become a tool for manipulation. Love itself isn't "evil", nor is a supporter of Love (Jesus), but when that love is used to control people it quickly turns to anger or hatred when a person breaks free.

Feeling sorry for others is probably one of the strongest forms of Love because it inspires people to Forgive and Help without selfish interests to manipulate.

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


The type of love that Christianity has in mind of us exceeds our own capacity to love, so it cannot be a love with strings attached, a mercenary love.

It's by far a greater love than we can at present even imagine.

If we were to rely upon human love, whether atheist, agnostic or satanic, we would surely be sorely disappointed.