The Flood Controversy

the verse says the adam were created male and female. it is not a singular adam with 2 sexes in one body. it refers to them as THEM. that means more than one. and it also refers to the creators as a plural as well. this is because they are not the actual creators, they are the templates the created was re-created from. there are 3 adams at the very least.

the first adam were the elohim who created
the second adam were the elohim who were copied from the first adam
the third adam were the human beings who were part elohim and part mammal.

reply to post by Ismail

Plus the fact that if the earth had ever rotated that much faster, environnemental factors would heve been so different that life forms would have evolved in a radically different way.

Are we not "radically different" from what was here before?????

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The tree is in the seed, the Seed is in the tree.
Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, 36 and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels.66 They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection. 37 But in the account of the bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”
bible.org...
Now does this mean that the angels or at least some of them were indeed once human, and are the elohim (they whom come from heaven) angels, is this stage in our being merely a start of our energy based celestial life cycle that like an egg when used up we must leave.

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the verse says the adam were created male and female. it is not a singular adam with 2 sexes in one body. it refers to them as THEM. that means more than one. and it also refers to the creators as a plural as well. this is because they are not the actual creators, they are the templates the created was re-created from. there are 3 adams at the very least.

the first adam were the elohim who created
the second adam were the elohim who were copied from the first adam
the third adam were the human beings who were part elohim and part mammal.

well according to the Hebrew txt

there was woman before eve lithe ..

Adam a created being tho he wasn't the first his first Angels EL...ss

my guess is we are a very diluted version of the first original creation

as you see ... Humans if that what they were lived too close to 1000 years according to the bible from adam down to 120 years.. as our recorded history shows just one man and one woman living to be 122 years ... then we have Junk DNA and Unknown or Useless body parts from Evolution or Creation or both
and we have that 3 percent difference from apes of DNA.. and the 2nd chromosome Fusion from 48 to 46 difference from man and ape as on Scientist has said not much difference except on thing WE HAVE MORE NEURONS then APES in the BRAIN!! the more Mass Quantity means Quality if We could Manipulate An Apes Brain to go 3 more Wrap a Rounds of Neurons of division.. Would we have an A Human Brain ? Now We are close to the GODS NOW we can Genetically and Bio Engineer Manipulate alter Life Forms Fauna Flora !!

10 Useless Human Body Parts


but of what we became and How to be is the biggest question...

some Enity god or a type civ 3

we are so complex ... tho there is People out there with unusual unique ability's maybe from linking those junk dna in the right order aka Mutants See Stan lees Super Humans on you tube

What Separates Us from Chimps? As It Turns Out, Not Much



Ohh here is my Fav!! WE ARE THE GODS NOW! the fiction to that is close to reality !
DID we Clone yes we did DID we Alter Incest and Plant Life yes we did Animal LIfe yes we did Check Animal Farm BIO Engineering on You Tube .. Now Who or What had does this to US!! 250,000 years ago.. GOD!! or A TYPE CIV 3 Entity Sentient Being



modern experiment during WWII shows that how primitive people encounter advanced people and they create religion and god ( from the Early 1970s program Documentary Chariots of the gods )


and what does this have to do with the Flood ! ok GOD did not Dilute Humans Enough they were too Super Human didnt help Angels his first beings mingling in the Gene Pool either... Nephilium and Selected the Purest form of Humans Noahs Family well just maybe one of Noahs Sons Wives had a little Taint of Dirty DNA LOL!! that comes out once in a While !! you know Supernatural to Unique Physics to PSI

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oh no doubt. this is what i keep trying to explain to people who say the bible is full of unscientific fairy tales. when you point out that every impossible thing that was ruled mythos because it couldn't be done 300 years ago, is now scientifically possible and give examples, the skeptic tends to exit stage left. i mean how do you argue with logic if you're a proponent of logic?

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Well no...

There is coherent and steady trend in evolution. What do feel is different ?

ismail

so you don't think the black sea flood happened? or you don't think the biblical references to noah escaping the flood happened? let's narrow this down.

reply to post by Wolfenz


Careful, at the docks when Titanic sailed for america an old woman cried for the builders had said not even god could sink her, man can change a few chemicals but that is very far from godlike, the human race is a danger to itself until we mentaly mature.
The difference is more like 1.2 percent but comparative DNA analysis merely types the Strands for comparrison, this is mostly unused DNA that is similar so that 1.2 percent is actually active genetic material and if we exclude the inactive DNA then the difference is actually a hell of a lot higher if we just read the percentage of shared USED DNA then, we are of course at least fifty percent the same as a Banana if you take it that way, but because Chimps are so human like there has been a number of occasions when it was though about reclassifying them as a subspecies of humans.

The polynesian cannibals referred to humans as long pigs because the flesh tasted the same but here is one to throw a spanner in the works, the oldest domesticated living species after our dogs and held in much larger numbers for most of there domestication right among the people are Pig's. In other parts of the world humans lived in close proximity to wile apes, now Virus (those horrible little cell hijacking disease causing micro biological entity's) are essentially a strand of DNA in a Enzymatic protine shell.

A virus infects a pic then it's descendants take a small piece of the genetic material from the pig cell nucleus and go on to infect a human, the virus fails to replicate but doese intergrate it's DNA including that of the Pig into the human cell nucleus which come celular mitosis is passed on to the next generation of cell sometimes beneficial and sometimes not.
The same thing happens in reverse.
It happens in a jungle between humans and apes.

Genetic convergence through Viral propegation of DNA or RNA, it actually homogenises a host population and is usefull for the virus own survival as it makes the potential Host's more compatible with it.

I for one do not regard humans as monkeys but we integrate with the eco system and that includes genetic absorption through viral propegation of DNA and selective acceptance of beneficial traits to adapt to our environment.

Beautiful. I enjoyed this post more than some because of the introduction of a new way of seeing an old concept. It seems that we as humans are sometimes, okay most of the time accept that with which we are presented as "face value".

I recently made a post in which I claimed that the bible is a good resource into the window of humanity. Particularly the interpretation of many sacred texts, and how so many versions of events, such as the flood, are held important without investigation. Then again, some are told that investigating any such event is "questioning the lord", which is supposed to be a no-no, I think.

Either way, my point is that I don't believe that any sacred text that forbids its own examination can be correct.

I know I've gotten of point a little, but seriously, why would ANY creator say "Okay, here's how it is, and if you even think about questioning my word, well, you're just in trouble now."

If the Human was created, or RE-created by any god, then why instill the ability and desire to question it, if it's so wrong?

Sorry, I jumped around a bit, but at any rate, my belief is that whether fact or fiction, we can't know the entirety of the adaptation and RE-adaptation of events as they're outlined in the bible.

People are imperfect, so their works will reflect imperfections. If that's true, then why is it so taboo to assume that a creator may also have made mistakes in their creations?

labtech767

i have this wacky theory that people with savant syndrome have connected directly to their junk dna, which is theoretically, a recording device, that records every moment of your life, every respiration, every hair on your body, every thought, every experience, everything your eyes have seen, ears have heard, and even things they haven't. in effect, your junk dna is a giant library and it's connected interdimensionally to an even larger library,that spans space-time and thus makes information from various points in the timeline accessible. how i arrived at this conclusion is based on this video

this guy reads a landscape of shapes which he associates with numbers. when he draws a picture of the visualization of the landscape, it looks like cell tissues and he is moving across the surface of the cell, reading the shapes which equal numbers. freaked me out when i realized what it might be saying.

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The point of social stricture may have more to do with the controled evolution of a species undergoing intervention or re intervention and as such Tabboo subjects take on a whole new light, the clay of the earth could be allegorical for the pre human race before such an intervention and the creation in the image of may be a kind of indication of selective subjects given priority in there evolution, the flood or other cataclysms could relate to the need to selectively isolate the pocket population and give it breeding room to ensure its traits become established and dominant.
There was a great sci fi story were an alien race adapted the natural species through intervention to be more like them with the eventual goal of achieving mental convergence with there own species, one race many forms, many worlds.

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I like many see only the two dimensional view but if we take into account the unseen universe beyond our senses and only now being analysed by quantum theory then it is possible that there is more to that interesting little structure (the double helix) than we think such as the energy which may have caused it's unique form, it may be a three dimensional wave form that interacts at smaller scales and in that field it is concievable that some type of data may be stored through a bio energetic feed back were the field interacts and the physical structure interacts back each subtly changing one another (so the memory would not be stored like those in the brain but a genetic memory could be energy or wave form based and not chemical, the endrons are an interesting thing to think on, read up on the star child and pay attention to the endrons, here is a starter page that will intrigue but be warned this site uses cookies (most do and I always clean my computer after using the net - I dont use bitcoin so can freely clean my cache)
www.starchildproject.com...
starchildproject.com... .

Interesting thought.

Have just watched the video now, As a child I was unable to integrate and would stand wondering why the other children would not play with me, but then I was not mentaly like them, I could look at a jigsaw and put it together really quickly (like I could analyse the image) but I in part grew out of it and in most part lost it so whatever it was became lost to me, At about 3 years of age a number of odd things happened to me but one that stands out is I can remember being taken somewere dark and metalic, there was a female presence and it felt very old and dispassionate, I remember seeing small figures about the size of a child with oversized helmets in silver suits and there faces behind black visors so no features visible, a vehicle like a semi circular object with a entrance at the rear no larger than a small van, my mother talks of remembering feeling terrified and seeing three trails of fire shooting into the sky, she remembers holding me and trying to protect me but beyond that nothing except I used to be able to see thing's others could not (intrusions into our reality perhaps like a blue crystaline shard which was on the roof of a neighbours house (she died about a decade later with a very rare cancer), it faded and became transparrent over time, as we walked down the street to the shop I would say to my sister look frozen lightning, there was snow on the roof but around this thing it had melted, my sister and others seemed to be almost sleep walking but after two weeks it disappeared by fading more and more transparrent. I won't get into my experiences but I believe some of us are not in synch with the normal level of the universe as percieved by the majority, After this little sojourn I lost my abillit but never really integrated socialy.
However you have to survive in this world and if you can you have to try to integrate to the best of your own abilitys, I have never been diagnosed as autistic or aspergers but then I never was referred to any specialists and so my differences probably fall within the mainstream of human racial consciousness.
Still I can empathise with the first two but the poor lad at the end is tragic but so long as he has his mother and love he has a life.

Why would an all powerful God flood the Earth and create suffering? If he is all-powerful couldn't he just snap his fingers and poof there its fixed. Just shows you how sadistic your christian god is. Sounds to me from the Bible that God loves to murder humans. Once again if he is all powerful wouldn't he of known that he would of had to flood the Earth at a certain point? Yeah...looks like he was looking forward to murdering millions of people....if you believe in such nonsense.

Evanzsayz
Why would an all powerful God flood the Earth and create suffering? If he is all-powerful couldn't he just snap his fingers and poof there its fixed. Just shows you how sadistic your christian god is. Sounds to me from the Bible that God loves to murder humans. Once again if he is all powerful wouldn't he of known that he would of had to flood the Earth at a certain point? Yeah...looks like he was looking forward to murdering millions of people....if you believe in such nonsense.

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well you're barking up the wrong tree with that one. as i tried to establish in this thread, although i admit i didn't put much time into it, there are 3 gods in the old testament who have all been called jehovah. one of those owned the planet, like a piece of real estate, and didn't want humans on it. he decreed the flood and demanded that human dna be downgraded. he is the equivalent of the moon god, enlil. the other, created humans and defended them, repeatedly i might add, including warning the noah guy about the impending flood and so on. he is the equivalent of the god of creation, enki. the other, was the father god of enki and enlil. he is the equivalent of the god of heaven, anu. you can find him mentioned in the old testament as father in heaven, heavenly father, and of course, amen.

so i don't adhere to the traditional interpretation of the old testament jehovah.

Hi!

I'm surprised that no-one seems to have mentioned this yet:

Laurentide Ice Flood

Antarctic ice melted too,it seems.

I've also read that it may have been caused by a meteorite strike,I'll just check...

No more Saber-Tooth pussycats

It wasn't all that long ago,either.

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Could it be that we are not understanding ? I am not saying that I know the answer but here is my understanding of the plurality of the Creator as is written in the Genesis account.

Thats very possible. I enjoyed your view of the dual nature which makes sense using the information we have. Although most would say there are 3. Might I pose another possibility. Could it be that it inadvertently refers to a pantheon/polytheistic stance of controlling powers that we know existed in very early history in that time? Even excluding archeological evidence the bible itself makes it clear that it wasn't uncommon. Throughout the ot there is plural references to the biblical god as well as singular which again I find odd. It would seem that one would want to be consistent when wanting to relay a message considered holy. But that is purely my opinion of course.

The thread itself addresses the idea of plurals and replenishing. The only problem with that is those ideas are speculative as to the interpretation of certain words. While its very possible the op is correct in his ideas I don't see it.

1Cr 14:33

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

I would have to argue the above point as the bible is extremely confusing if you are one to actually question it.

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oh no doubt. this is what i keep trying to explain to people who say the bible is full of unscientific fairy tales. when you point out that every impossible thing that was ruled mythos because it couldn't be done 300 years ago, is now scientifically possible and give examples, the skeptic tends to exit stage left. i mean how do you argue with logic if you're a proponent of logic?

MY Point Exactly!! With all the Wonders in the World Especially Ruins that ((( HAVEN'T ))) Been explained to Modern Science of Engineering ... as Puma Punku and Most of Pre Columbia , Cairo Egypt, Axon Ethiopia, Baalbek Lebanon, IRAN IRAQ Babylonian etc..

Here some Pics that People here on ATS Need to have some Deep Thought in

Pre Colombia


Puma Punku ( claimed to some 17,000 years old ) before Flood


note... angels winged beings

H Blocks ( like Legos ) Seriously From Primitive Native MAN??
that Worshiped a Serpent/White bearded man God>?


Sumerian Assyrian Babylonia ( Flying Machine )


Turkey 12,000 year old


Sumerian God aka Angel, aka Annunaki



So how did the big Change Come About !!


I Guess we will Never will know the Truth .. as how it was before the Flood.. yet there little traces of evidence that it did happen From legends in each Continent minus Antarctica.. lol yet it may reveal secrets
We just hear.. Tales of places using High Technology using Flying Machines and Use of Beams of Light aka Lazers >>? before the flood Too Bad ( OP ) that the Library of Alexandria was Destroyed & the Ancinet library's of IRAN and IRAQ as at one time believe it or not the Middle east was The Center Of Knowledge and Historic Records Destroyed all because of Religion of Course... Tho Some TXT Literature did Escape
like the Piri Reis MAP made from Ancient Maps claimed to be from the Library of Alexandria.. I would Loved to see what These Librarys has Had ... the secrets we need to solved those unexplained riddles

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Interesting the first image is of TeoTihuacan outside mexico city, the Aztec called it the city of the ancient's and copyed the architecture as best they could but there have been human remains found there suggesting like many meso american cultures the builders of TeoTihuacan were offering regular human sacrifice though the site is marvelous but I would not have wanted to live there in it's heyday when humans were offered as appeasement sacrifice to there god's.
It has been reliably dated due to extensive organic evidence and is not really that old according to the ORTHODOX science applied.
However Puma Punku and TiaHuanaco (Tiwanaku on google earth) are more problematic as though there have been many excavations (including by some whom post on this site) they have used organic finds beneath stones without adequately taking into account the fact it is on a high platau yet the stones (especially at Puma Punku) are tossed about so may have fallen on the later organic debris and therefore may be far older, also humans try to rebuild sacred sites to appease there gods so later humans may also be responsible for that Organic Debris which they based there carbon dating on, the sites also show extensive flood damage and are mostly buried in a thick layer of silt, now water can also deposit later organic debris beneath stones.
I read somewhere concerning that pyramid at TioTihuacan that though it is only half as tall as the great pyramid at giza and inferior in it's construction it has a base almost identical in size and overlaying the two sites reveals many other intriguing similaritys though TioTihuacan is definetly thousands of years younger than Giza.
Still Puma Punku and Tihuanaco may suggest a more ancient source of knowledge in south america and maybe the south americans discovered us before we did them, there are hints of ancient trade as well as the african faces of the lost Olmec culture which may indicate contact, trade and trans migration of people.
Before the Conquisatdore when on there merry rampage of destruction including the burning of all texts in the Aztec empire under the orders of Bishop De'Landa the south americans are estimated to have produced sixty percent more produce and food than today, that is more than twice as much food.

Here is a good page on TioTihuacan that indulges in some of its mystery as it is mysterious no matter when it was built (no monument of that scale would arise from nowhere so were they using more ancient knowledge) www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

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That is a good video that explains part of the science behind the flood, and where the water went.

Genesis 7:11

In the 600th year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the 17th day of the month, on that day all the springs of the vast watery deep burst open and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.

The flood happened as stated in the bible, and we still don't fully understand exactly what happened from a scientific view. But video's like this make sense to me.

The amazing part is that the water from the flood is still with us.

Water Stats

The total volume of the world's oceans is 1.3 to 1.5 billion cubic kilometers, which comes out to 310 to 360 million cubic miles. The surface area of the Earth is about 200 million square miles. So if the Earth was a perfect sphere, with no mountains, no valleys, no ocean trenches, the water would cover the surface about 1.7 miles deep.

In the end these massive amounts of water naturally terraformed the planet.

Can anyone answer me this; when was the moon first made mention of in the bible?
I suspect that the biblical flood may have been caused by the moon suddenly appearing
on the scene. I also suspect (strange as it may sound) that the moon we now see
is a projection and the original moon has gone on it's merry way.

Thanks.