Watch as Self-Described ‘Normal’ Muslims Show Support for Stoning Adulterers and Other ‘Punish

reply to post by Vortiki



The dictum is originally from the bible to stone people that’s were the Muslims who do this get it from.

It is NOT in the Quran!

Points:
The Jews largely have become secularized

The vast majority of Muslims don’t practice stoning

It’s rare

And so what, on one level they still execute people in the world and many people believe all executions are barbaric.

So therefore because a very small percentage of Muslims have stoned the whole religious body is evil.

What about the Catholic Church in medieval times when they burned people alive.

Were all of the Catholics in the world evil and should we blame all of Catholicism for that

ST Thomas Anginas and all those saints are evil

The law is from the Jewish bible should we condemn all Jews in history up until they stopped the practices?

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on stoning

Willtell
reply to post by Vortiki

 

The dictum is originally from the bible to stone people that’s were the Muslims who do this get it from.

It is NOT in the Quran!

Points:
The Jews largely have become secularized

The vast majority of Muslims don’t practice stoning

It’s rare

And so what, on one level they still execute people in the world and many people believe all executions are barbaric.

So therefore because a very small percentage of Muslims have stoned the whole religious body is evil.

What about the Catholic Church in medieval times when they burned people alive.

Were all of the Catholics in the world evil and should we blame all of Catholicism for that

ST Thomas Anginas and all those saints are evil

The law is from the Jewish bible should we condemn all Jews in history up until they stopped the practices?

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Yeah they did that in MEDIEVAL times man, they aren't STILL doing it like muslims STILL stone and behead people.

Civilized cultures don't behead people, or stone them. Civilized cultures have courts, and jails, fines. They can live in the past if they want, I'll have no part of it. Religions are stupid and everyone who follows them to the extent of stoning someone to death is a moron. Period.

It made me weep to see it on a youtube video.. as much for the townspeople as for the pair caught in adultery, and who knows the real circumstances, maybe her husband might have been an ugly brute, even abusive, they were young, good looking, the man and the woman, murdered by their own friends and relatives, first one and then the other, it was THE most heart wrenching thing I've EVER seen.


IMHO, and perhaps I might have a bias as you can see from my avatar, but imho, I think that Jesus' use of human violence, and mercy - first, in relation to the women who was brought before him who was caught in adultery, so as to place him in a bind and try to trick him in relation to the OT reference to stoning ie: "it's the law" to whom he asked "has no one condemned you?" after suggesting to the crowd who were wanting to stone her that the first person among them who is without sin should throw the first stone.. (what a way to handle it!) - and then, in relation to himself, as an atonement and as a demonstration of the twin pillars of justice and mercy..

was by far far and away an infinitely more ingenious resolution to the problem of human sin and evil, than that of Mohammed's use of violence, and "justice" on the other hand. Maybe it's just me, I don't know..


Islam must be cleaved in two and inverted where Mecca precedes and trumps Medina, or it's in big big trouble, as seen in the video in the OP.

And they're just going along with the few guys the "clerics" or "scholars" at the front of the room with everyone generally afraid to stand out when they are asked to put up their hands, how absurd and sad is that, especially when it leads to the next "planting" in the ground of a son, a daughter, a sister a mother, a friend, who might even have made a mistake, who sinned.

"The heart of the law is mercy"

We all know this at the most fundamental level.

Jesus understood it clearly and distinctly.

And no this isn't a "my God is better than your God" issue, because it goes to the heart of the deepest human problems and dilemmas involving our friends and family and the larger community within which we find ourselves, and if adultery is an intolerable sin, then learn how to kick people out and down along the road, don't KILL THEM by digging a hole, "planting" them, and then collectively stoning them as a group, that isn't of God, but the devil. God doesn't condone that kind of thing, most certainly not any MORE!

the enlightening and beautiful aspects of the time in Mecca is the Muslim's NEW Testament, and the other, the war lord period might as well be discarded as completely outmoded, if not morally reprehensible.

Willtell
reply to post by Vortiki

 

The dictum is originally from the bible to stone people that’s were the Muslims who do this get it from.

It is NOT in the Quran!

11:91-They said: �O Shu�ayb, we do not understand most of what you say, and we see you as weak among us; and if it were not for who your family is, we would have stoned you, and you would not be proud against us.�
18:20-�If they discover you, they will stone you or return you to their creed. Then you will never be successful.�
19:46-He said: �Have you abandoned my gods O Abraham? If you do not stop this, I will stone you; and let me be.�
26:116-They said: �If you do not cease, O Noah, you will be of those who are stoned.
44:20-And I seek refuge with my Lord and your Lord, should you stone me.(Moses)
THE ONLY ONES WHO WERE THREATENED WITH STONING AS PUNISHMENT WAS The Believers, Prophets, messengers NEVER was there a decreed punishment by our God to stone any ins.

That is out of the Quran. Why is it every time someone brings up FACT about this damned book they always say "thats not in there" THe hell it isnt

Vortiki

Willtell
reply to post by Vortiki

 

The dictum is originally from the bible to stone people that’s were the Muslims who do this get it from.

It is NOT in the Quran!

11:91-They said: �O Shu�ayb, we do not understand most of what you say, and we see you as weak among us; and if it were not for who your family is, we would have stoned you, and you would not be proud against us.�
18:20-�If they discover you, they will stone you or return you to their creed. Then you will never be successful.�
19:46-He said: �Have you abandoned my gods O Abraham? If you do not stop this, I will stone you; and let me be.�
26:116-They said: �If you do not cease, O Noah, you will be of those who are stoned.
44:20-And I seek refuge with my Lord and your Lord, should you stone me.(Moses)
THE ONLY ONES WHO WERE THREATENED WITH STONING AS PUNISHMENT WAS The Believers, Prophets, messengers NEVER was there a decreed punishment by our God to stone any ins.

That is out of the Quran. Why is it every time someone brings up FACT about this damned book they always say "thats not in there" THe hell it isnt

Well you seem to support his point, the quran never asked the believers to stone as a form of punishment.
These muslims seem to be caught up with man made hadiths/sunna/sharia (created 200 yrs after the quran) and forgotten the word of God.

I just sometimes think the Islamic culture has been put on a pedestal, and Westerners and Africans are supposed to crawl around it apologetically.
Just don't upset or be rude to these people at all costs...

Just a small example: on this week's Come Dine With Me (South Africa) it kicked off with a lady with totally New Age beliefs (she kept talking to some invisible being called "Michael").
Yet, when it came to alcohol she claimed to be a Muslim, and nobody was allowed to drink booze at her house.

Two unwitting guests actually brought wine, which she kept!
She should have at least not have accepted it, or given it back.
In what must have been a three hour ordeal, two guests tried to reason with her about drinking the wine they brought.
But oh no, she said the alcohol would besmirch her "holy" glasses.
One guest even offered to drink out of the bottle, but this was dismissed.

She didn't win (no surprises there), but other guests went out of their way for her, including making a wine-free sauce just for her.

She was shown total tolerance, yet she returned no tolerance whatsoever.

OK, some guests are also vegan and vegetarian, and have different requirements.
But usually they don't force their requirements down the throats of everybody else!

It's not the first example either.

Now I see St. Martin's Day has been renamed in a part of Germany, so as not to upset "the other cultures".
Hello, if you don't like German customs then go to a country with your own customs.
europenews.dk...
Apparently Muslims were never offended by St. Martin's Day - it seems to be some ultra-leftists who start these things, but it's an open invitation for extremists, because a people without their own culture are easily conquered.

Now where do these leftists come from, and where do they get their radical ideas from?
I suspect Saudi and other Islamist money is indirectly funding many university departments.
This results in giving a very slanted view of history, or a social science that prefers the deconstruction of Western culture as nonviable and chauvinist (an evil hegemony over the "poor Muslim countries").
Students may be told all kinds of good things about Islamic history - how it gave rights to women or saved the ancient Greek texts.
All nonsense.

Slowly but surely a cultural vacuum is being manufactured, and a constant implied stream from academia is that we are "evil people" if we don't bend over backwards to accommodate their Islamic culture.

I watched a long program on people in Germany converting to Islam, which seemed like so much Benny Hinn hot air after a while.

But I feel nothing at their conversions, and I will never submit.
If I'm going via invitation to a house with my wine, I will drink my wine, and the New Age Muslim will have to physically stop me, because that's MY culture and she must also be tolerant of her guests!

reply to post by NewAgeMan


""The heart of the law is mercy"
bingo
and guess who understood that message,?, and had the floors of the Temple in Jerusalem,
srubbed with rose petals,,
after all the blood splilled there.,,

Suliman the Mganificent.

After he said,, no more blood, neither Christian nor Muslim.! and return too your homes,,with your precious Christian Relics,,
and he gave, the Holy Relics too,, Richard.
Salom
"but there be no peace,untill Shilo, comes,, for the passing of the",,etc,,,

a lot of people are scared of sharia law because if it was ever enacted locally that might mean no more liquor stores

not so bad though if one is a hashassin

reply to post by Danbones

Well that depends, unless it's medicine they might just break your legs for having either.
There's no drug toleration in a legal sense in any hard-core Islamic country, and where it exists it is probably due to corruption (which the hardliners have a way of dealing with once they gain power).
There's certainly no Islamic "Amsterdam".

reply to post by halfoldman


lol good points
suspiciously just like the BATF and the DEA
me i think both teams gotta go

Vortiki
Yeah they did that in MEDIEVAL times man, they aren't STILL doing it like muslims STILL stone and behead people.

Civilized cultures don't behead people, or stone them. Civilized cultures have courts, and jails, fines. They can live in the past if they want, I'll have no part of it. Religions are stupid and everyone who follows them to the extent of stoning someone to death is a moron. Period.

Civilized cultures are helping those animals to kill and oppress muslims and then say see muslims are killing themselves !
moreover stoning is just for public adultery and no difference between man and woman. if the adulterer regrets court can forgive him. it was law of Judaism.
moreover men can have other wives temporary or not temporary one night or 99 years ! by permission of their wife if necessary and it is not regarded adultery.
and women can complain in court and divorce !
still why public adultery !!? so that there are eyewitnesses.
such laws are for preventing public disorders like pornography of cross sex !!!.
they are preventive more than implementing !
however, I do not ignore the corruptness of clerics and what you mean by religion.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

If you don't follow muslim beliefs you're supposed to get your fingertips and head chopped off. Directly from the Quran.

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

In other words, "Go out and kill your neighbors that don't follow your religion.

This is their scriptures in their "holy" book. They're all Bat-S$%^ crazy.

reply to post by Vortiki

Vortiki

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

If you don't follow muslim beliefs you're supposed to get your fingertips and head chopped off. Directly from the Quran.

Errr..no. Why don't you try reading it in the context of the verses it is written, instead of plucking out a passage from its surrounding text without even noticing where it came from? If you had even read one or two lines above what you just quoted (instead of pasting it from some anti-islam site, probably), you'd notice it was talking about a battle the Muslims participated in, where God sent angels to their assistance, with that command.

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

In other words, "Go out and kill your neighbors that don't follow your religion.
Again, try reading it in context instead. Your "summary" doesn't work at all. I'm not sure who exactly is
"Bat-S$%^" anything in this case.

I'm from India and ive got muslims as neighbours. Please cut out the stoning videos. Just like you have the fundies baptist preachers doing their stuff, same with the muslims. There's the radical bunch.

Regarding the crusades, you can thank zionist propaganda shills for blaming the muslims. In reality it was just DICK fear, either the christians or the muslims had the bigger dick (you can make out from the rape statistics for both sides, incl. Links wud be unnecessary do a google).

Muslims are really are a goddess-worshipping society. Protecting the women n veiling them is the priority. Convicted rapists are castrated (physically) in most arab countries. The women are given goddess status. A woman body face are considered sacred
So they use veils or burqas to honour the womans body. Western society conditioned on hugh hefners ideology take it backwards. Regarding the caliphs/sultans/emperors having many wives. Hey those guys had money just like King Solomon. Still happens today.

In Islam, which is goddess centric. Its the men who have to sacrifice for their families n community. The goddess demands male blood for the advancement of islamic society unlike western society where females are encouraged to sacrifice their lives for the nation. In islam only men can do this. Females are revered and protected as much as possible. The festival of ASHURA is a good annual reminder.

Regarding muslim women being prohibited from studying/school/college. Its western propaganda. Visit some arab nations n do ur research. The room full of guys claiming to be extremists (similar to any conditioned bunch of sheep to be used by some high ranking judas goat employed by a western propagandist). After all, some are predicting world war 3 between the muslims arabs n the western zionist shills.

pixelbob
Muslims are really are a goddess-worshipping society. Protecting the women n veiling them is the priority.

Yet in reality, Muslim countries restrict and repress the freedom and equality of women. This is manifest in the inequality of the education system (if it exists at all), the restrictions in working (women's place is in the home), the lack of suffrage and the basic lack of access to equal human rights. You name it, women have less of it in all Muslim countries. In the way Islam is practiced it is blatantly a male benefitting ideology.

Regards

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Thank you for your comments. But id like to recommend you visit some arab countries. Or if not befriend some arab ladies on facebook, twitter, etc and discuss this issue. You'd be amazed. The women-oppression is part of the western media propagandist agenda. After all u need a mini-false flag idealogy. Since arabs are the terrorists. Where do you get your news from?

reply to post by halfoldman


Actually, the Muslim prophet OK'd the use of medicine. Remember what they found in Bin Ladens garden?

Back on topic, like someone stated before, Islam is not a religion per sé. It is a way of life, government, laws, and religious beliefs.

reply to post by Vortiki

Civilized cultures don't behead people, or stone them.

Yeah

they do much much worse,

reply to post by Vortiki

In other words, "Go out and kill your neighbors that don't follow your religion.

Not really,

but you wont understand even if a picture is painted for you.

Do you enjoy your hate?