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Food Stamp Cuts Starting NOV 1 Will Leave 47 Million Families Hungrier

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posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 04:24 PM
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posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 04:26 PM
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Welcome to our world daryllyn......

I bet you are much more caring and sympathetic than the posters that are sorta bashing you. I would venture to say you might even been Centrist or at least more Center/Left leaning than some of us other posters on this thread, yet you get painted with that same broad brush as us "EVIL" people.

You could be very wealthy and give all your money away every year and people would STILL find fault with you. Personally, I'll stack my own Charity, Community service and help to others against anyone else out here. I won't be found lacking in any of those. Still I am EVIL for wanting people to wanting people to stand on their own two feet after they have been helped up.

I'll help you get off the ground, dust you off, even give you things......just don't fall down continually.

I'll await the bashing ...............bring it on, but you better be able to tell me all the good works you do for your fellow man.



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 04:28 PM
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Since you went there, what exactly are your credentials in that matter Angiedoll? Lets hear.



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 04:36 PM
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The amount doesn't matter as much as the fact that they go after those programs yet do not curb spending money on weapons. You give an inch here a yard there in social programs yet military industrial complex spending never slows.

Why do so many Americans not see this? Why? I really want to know.

If we spent that money on job creation our economy would improve vastly.



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 04:36 PM
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Since I went where? What are my credentials..........you mean in humanity? Sorry, but sometimes it gets to be a bit much when the same people drone on and on saying "stop it", "deal with it", and blah blah with all the charm, caring and understanding of the human condition of a rattlesnake.

Guess I've had enough of the meanness and nastiness. We, who are supposed to be world leaders, suddenly can't feed our poor. And then say it's because of the "obesity epidemic". It's appalling, and people who support this cut back appall me. Simple as that.



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 04:39 PM
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LoneGunMan

If we spent that money on job creation our economy would improve vastly.


But given the Presidents great Job Record, aren't more Americans now working and shouldn't LESS Government Assistance be needed?? The Stock Market is up, Deficit is down, Jobs are being created, right?

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around that?



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 04:42 PM
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Cutting food stamps is barbarian when we spend so much on the war machine.

Before the cuts food stamps paid what about $7.00 bucks a day per person? The average American spends that on just lunch. What do you spend a day to feed yourself.



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 04:50 PM
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You cannot wrap you head around that because the corporate machine has brainwashed you and most others. Job creation? More minimum wage jobs?

We just sold the Forestall Aircraft carrier for a penny. You can scrap a car and get about $400 bucks. How much do you think that aircraft carrier was worth? Do you know how many are being built right now. How many other extremely expensive machines are being built?

Why don't we build better schools, build a green energy system, fix the bridges and have good jobs for Americans?

Before you make the blunder of stating Americans have jobs building those war machines, remember the $600 dollar hammer? The military industrial complex is a scam to funnel money into the pockets of the rich.
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posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 05:02 PM
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angeldoll
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Since I went where? What are my credentials..........you mean in humanity? Sorry, but sometimes it gets to be a bit much when the same people drone on and on saying "stop it", "deal with it", and blah blah with all the charm, caring and understanding of the human condition of a rattlesnake.

Guess I've had enough of the meanness and nastiness. We, who are supposed to be world leaders, suddenly can't feed our poor. And then say it's because of the "obesity epidemic". It's appalling, and people who support this cut back appall me. Simple as that.


My point is that I get to speak my mind, as do you. I think an ever expanding Government assistance mentality, in of itself, perpetuates a continual underclass. Why should I do anything? The Government will take care of me. This is what many in America have become.

Just because I speak out against Government forced poverty and assistance, doesn't mean I don't practice personal Charity, the two are not the same. I, however can back up that I'm not a heartless bastard. I do LOTS to help people in my Community. Far more, than dare I say, most here do.

I just disagree that doling out more and more assistance is the answer. It's plainly not working. If people get things handed to them all the time, eventually they lose the desire of doing things for themselves. Things lose their value when they are not earned. When entitlements become lifelong rights, I have major issues with it.

It all comes down to employment....... The more people you have working, the better everything in society goes. I agree with others here, but in a different way. If Government gets out of the way of the private sector and lets them develop, create and innovate jobs, that does a heck of a lot more good than handing out more assistance. Once you given out that assistance, there is just the other hand asking for more. There is a place for assistance, but is should NEVER become a lifestyle. For far too many, that is what it has become.

I'm mean and nasty and evil and appalling and whatever other epitaphs people hurl because I want to wean people off the Government Teat and get them being personally productive in society and in their family again? What the heck is wrong with me?



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 05:21 PM
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LoneGunMan

We just sold the Forestall Aircraft carrier for a penny. You can scrap a car and get about $400 bucks. How much do you think that aircraft carrier was worth?


When you look at the regulations that will have to be followed to scrap that in America, it makes it cost prohibitive for the Government itself to even scrap it. You have chemicals, Asbestos, ect that have to be taken into consideration. I'm sure the Texas company will make money off of it, but probably not as much as you think. Of course, it would be interesting to see the political connections behind that company......



Why don't we build better schools, build a green energy system, fix the bridges and have good jobs for Americans?


Like we haven't spent more than enough to "fix" our Schools if it were a money issue??? It's not a money issue. People always seem to think the solution to a problem is "Throw more money at it". If that were the case we would have the BEST Education and Health Care Systems in the whole world, do we?

Green energy? Great, but we haven't really prioritized ANYTHING, just "Thrown a lot of money" at it. How's that been working out so far? Are your yearly energy costs down? Truth be told, we should do a Manhattan Project or Apollo style effort on getting Fusion to work as an energy source. What we are doing now is far too scattered to reap benefits, at least so far in a real game changing way. Yeaah, I can buy $15-$25 LED Bulbs to replace my incandescent lights. Bet there will be Government assistance to get those too.



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 05:38 PM
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America to many is a wilderness. It is far from a place where government is taking care of people…that’s a lie and a myth.

Those kinds of places, where the government actually takes care of people, like in Scandinavian countries, the “socialist places where taxes are so high….
According to surveys ARE THE HAPPIEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.

People, who run this myth about government dependence don’t really know this country at all.
They go for the stuff from Fox news and lies and distortions from people who talk about welfare Queens who don’t really exist in any significant numbers.

They still believe in Leave it to Beaver and Andy Griffith and Barney.
That America is gone. Dead and buried like the rest of the American dream. Murdered by the people you support like the Koch brothers and policies like NAFTA, privatization and welfare reform.
You may think you are secure now in your good job and nice neighborhood but what you don’t understand, while you look down on the poor and downtrodden as some kind of scum, is that YOUR NEXT for the great sacrifice of Austerity

And all the millionaires and billionaires you love so much aren’t going to come to your rescue WHEN YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR FOOD STAMPS.



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 05:40 PM
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We spend 52% of the Federal Budget on the big three entitlements, and 25% is spent on security spending, all security spending that is, including the black budget. Military spending is not the problem when we've been spending more on entitlements than security since the mid 60's. Now, I am NOT saying that entitlements should be cut, far from it, but I do think its time to stop acting like the Military budget is some big monster eating into entitlements or education, when that is in fact not the truth. What really needs to happen is that entitlements need to be reformed so that the tax payer gets more bang for his/her buck. Here's an example: Suppose we take all the money that is put into SNAP and other food assistance programs, as well as the money we spend on farm subsidies (which in my opinion are wholly unnecessary in the modern age and actually seem to hurt small farmers) and, instead of giving the poor carte blanche to buy whatever food they want to buy, no matter how expensive or unhealthy, with EBT or "bridge" cards we instead use that money to buy basic staple foods for them and then pass it out to eligible people at certain public areas (schools, parks, city halls, etc.) weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly depending on whichever is the most efficient. Now, remember, we are using money that is already spent on food assistance AND money that was used for farm subsidies, thus increasing the money available for food assistance (making the liberals happy) while not actually having to increase the overall Federal budget (making the conservatives happy). At the same time, as long as we limit this food assistance to staple foods, abuse of food assistance as has been mentioned by others in this thread, such as buying expensive brand name foods or unhealthy junk foods, can hopefully be severely limited or even eliminated altogether. So basically we use already existing funds to give a set limit of staple foods at certain time intervals to the poor, while at the same time hopefully preventing abuse. Just a thought, hope my ramblings actually make sense to someone else



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 06:09 PM
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angeldoll
It's appalling, and people who support this cut back appall me.


I find a lot of things appalling ....

- Waste, fraud and abuse that happens with welfare and foodstamps. $750 Million a year.

- People who think they are entitled to take from those who earn a living simply because they manage to earn more than they do. That's THEFT.

- People who don't understand that others have a right to keep as much of what they earn as they wish.

- People who scream at others 'you don't give enough' ... when in fact those screamers have NO CLUE what people give or do in their personal life.

- People who push their so called 'moral values' on others demanding that they hand over their hard earned money because it's 'the moral thing to do' .... and yet these same yutz's complain when the far right try to push it's moral values on them when it comes to the pro-life movement. Hypocrisy.

- Liberals screaming food stamps (SNAP) are being drastically cut when in fact they have been raised 19% since 2009 which is FAR above the rate that people who work for a living have had their salaries raised.

- People calling this a 'cut' when in fact it is a 2009 Recovery Act temporary boost that is coming to it's natural end as was scheduled.

- Childish partisan rhetoric like 'Anti-human GOP' and 'depraved GOP', as well as the flip side of the rhetoric like 'communist dems' or 'democraps' etc etc

- Ignorant personal jabs against my personal life from people who haven't got a freak'n clue as to what they are talking about.

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posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 06:26 PM
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so what if people are abusing the system?
The "system" abuses the people every day, the rich abuse the "system" by hiding their money so they don`t have to pay taxes on it, corporations abuse the system by taking corporate welfare and not paying taxes on their massive record breaking profits.
"abusing" the system so you can get a little bit of food isn`t what bankrupted the country.Even if they could end all the abuse in the welfare system it wouldn`t do a damn thing to bring the country back to good financial health and prosperity.
we can`t afford to help feed people but we can afford to build million dollar outhouses, all over the country,so they have a place to take a crap? That`s what`s wrong with the country and why it`s such a mess.


Poo palace: The National Park Service's million dollar outhouse

blog.nj.com...


The $1,000,000 Glacier National Park Outhouse!

www.jldr.com...


Ew, what's that smell?! Government racks up million dollar bill... on an outhouse

www.nydailynews.com...


Here's what $4.2 million gets you in the outhouse industry

mynorthwest.com...

and on and on and on it goes, google "million dollar outhouse" the list seems endless of all the million dollar outhouses the government has built all over the country but we can`t afford to give someone an extra $11 measly dollars a month to buy some food?
What becomes of a country that finds it morally repugnant to feed it`s own people but has no qualms about spending millions dollars to build places to take a crap?



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 06:46 PM
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Willtell
Enjoy yourself justifying PURE EVIL!


Evil .. hmmmm ... Wanna' know what is EVIL ??

People who can't afford to have baby after baby, but have them anyways. Baby after baby after baby .. not knowing who the father is .. or not caring about the mother .. never intending to be able to take care of them ... And the the deadbeats dumping the care of all those children onto the tax payer.

The system is supposed to be there for people to use temporarily in a time of need.
And having it there to help people through a difficult time IS a good thing.
But It's NOT supposed to be a way of life.







posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 07:12 PM
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You mean like this?



For those that can't watch, a woman states that 'somebody got to pay' for her fifteen kids.
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posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 07:36 PM
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Just to give perspective:

In 1972 there were 11 M People on Food Stamps 5.2% of U.S. Population, Each got about $13.00 Monthly for a Total of 1.8 B.

In 2012 there were 46 M People on Food Stamps 14.6% of U.S. Population, Each got about $133.00 Monthly for a Total of 75 B.

SNAP Year by Year



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 08:29 PM
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Well we spend Billions on seat belt laws, anti smoking campaigns, animal rights and protection, and every other progressive ideal....do you see them as barbaric considering that money could be spent on humans being fed?

You have to admit that people are not the priority....ideals are...and that is why partisanship fails the country as a whole....

I would argue that aid is meant as a temporary crutch, a band aid.....the solution is for people to fend for themselves....a fish or a fishing rod....



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posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 08:52 PM
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Really? hungrier or you mean no more extra for the nail saloons, hair extensions and other things. right?

Should I be sorry? why? Tell me why.



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