Churches, tell us the truth of ET-angels and aliens-demons

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posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 05:12 AM
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Why don't the Churches tell us finally what has been in the Bible from the very beginning? Namely, there were/are Angelic powers that we should call today "benevolent ET", and there were/are demonic powers that the specialists in the field would call them "malevolent ET who don't have human best interest in mind".

It is quite a big conspiracy all the way along the history of the church(es) to hide that knowledge. Taking into account the Greeks knew of aliens (called gods) and named all visible constellations of stars (6000 without telescope). They knew very well the earth is round, far before the Spanish. It took enormous effort on the side of the church(es) to hide that knowledge.

Now when everything is clear and when History channel spells some of the truth throughout the world translated in own languages, why should that all be kept hidden any longer? To serve what?

Why should I listen to a preacher on All Saints Day to retell me how the saints are those in heaven, and the purgatory is full of souls who didn't make it yet to heaven but are on their route to be cleansed? I could turn on H-channel and will get a better picture that doesn't contradict the above. It is just richer. Not the full picture though!

Don't know if it deserves a new thread, but what I know is very little has been talked about that. Despite it is a public secret for 4 years with the advent of Ancient Aliens on H channel. Should they tell us of events like Rapture too?




posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 05:29 AM
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OK I'll bite.

The history of the solar system predates any religion founded here on Earth. If anything the religions of Earth were based on remnants of older religions from an ancient time. This is the knowledge that is hidden.

And no you won't see it on the History channel.
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posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 05:33 AM
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my reasoning doesn't start /end with H channel. I just take it as an example because the theories there are quite popular by people who themselves are popular writing books etc.

My reasons would start from Ezekiel 1 manifestation of what we would call extraterrestrial technology phenomenon and contact of 3rd kind. He sees both the creatures that differ between (4 kinds of aliens) and their spaceships or wheels.

I would then continue with Elijah's fiery chariot that has no horses and flies above atmosphere using fire as engine. "Rapture" or "translation" - would be called by the evangelicals. Some of them even claim Elijah was transformed physically at that moment. It might be so, or not. The fact is he was taken aboard a ship and there is a witness - his disciple prophet Elisha.

There are so many episodes in the Bible, and also in the New testament. How is it the Churches today are still silent on that? The Russian patriarch said once he didn't want the believers to exchange their faith the faith in UFOs. At the same interview on the Russian TV he also said that IF the alien civilization comes to make contact that contact would be public not hidden. In other words he found the middle ground and would not deny a public ET contact whenever that happens. But for the time being, it is more convenient to call the UFO-demons.

Is it so with the Western Christianity? Many televangelists like Hal Lindsey already publicly call the UFO - demonic. Many far right catholic preachers (in most cases self-proclaimed prophets) say the same. The official churches keep deep silence. The Vatican astronomers twice so far said there might be creatures elsewhere that are no less created by God than we are. There was an exo-conference hosted by the Vatican astronomy some years ago. Is that all the Churches of today are ready to say?

Where are the wings of the men in white who stood on the tomb of Jesus? There were no wings reported! Let we speak more on that. I just can't imagine 13 years after the year 2000 this and other similar topics are still shy to be publicly discussed by most people. Exactly the devotees should lead in that field. Don't you think so?



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 05:37 AM
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Holy Bible = Documentation of Extraterrestrial Contact & Alien Reference Handbook

Here is a "craft" you rarely hear about in the Bible.

Saul's Damascus Road Conversion


Acts 9 KJV

1And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, 2And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. 3And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. 7And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. 8And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. 9And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.




Acts 22 KJV

6And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me. 7And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 8And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest. 9And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. 10And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do. 11And when I could not see for the glory of that light, being led by the hand of them that were with me, I came into Damascus.




Acts 26 KJV

12Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, 13At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. 14And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 15And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. 16But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; 17Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, 18To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.


How many Preachers you hear mention this one??
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posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 05:40 AM
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ur the real ET



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 05:46 AM
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So the word Light literally means alien ship or alien?

Seriously can somebody show me where in the bible aliens and alien spaceships are recorded

I accept angels and demons, but they are spiritual beings, not ets

I think to many people are reading what they want into the bible



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 05:49 AM
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2012newstart
Why don't the Churches tell us finally what has been in the Bible from the very beginning? Namely, there were/are Angelic powers that we should call today "benevolent ET", and there were/are demonic powers that the specialists in the field would call them "malevolent ET who don't have human best interest in mind.


Its fair to say that much of what has been reported about UFOs in the last 100 years is not good, does not bode well for mankind. Even the so called good contact is rather flaky to say the least.

The beings recorded in the bible, angles, Gabe, Mike, ect clearly are of another order than what is represented in UFO lore.



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 05:49 AM
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Light round about...That light blinded him for 3 days....

Here is another good one you probably have heard of and OP mentions above.

Ezekiel Chapter 1


Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.

2 In the fifth day of the month, which was the fifth year of king Jehoiachin's captivity,

3 The word of the Lord came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the Lord was there upon him.

4 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.

6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.

7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.

8 And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.

9 Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.

10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

11 Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.

12 And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went.

13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.

14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.

15 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.

16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.

18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.

19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.

20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

21 When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.

23 And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.

24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.

25 And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.

26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.


The whole book of Ezekiel is about him meeting a group of Aliens. He became their Ambassador.
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posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 05:56 AM
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yes it does sound strange, but, seriously can you show me more evidence its an extra terrestrial ship.

I am not denying it is, just cant pretend to say it is

Truth is nobody knows what that image was, cant say what it was when we just dont know.

If ministers of the gospel said it was aliens and it wasnt aliens wouldnt that be wrong?



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 06:04 AM
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Read the rest of the Book of Ezekiel.

You will see some of their capabilities...



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 06:11 AM
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Well we put people away these days for tampering with woman and children!

I guess it must have been ok back then for Angels to commit such acts of depravity genetically, sexualy or otherwise.


Hey Angels leave my Mrs and Monkey DNA alone please or im calling Yahweh went the cry!


I hear you little Apes said Yahweh, here comes the flood, that will sort out those pesky rebellious light bringers. Wooooooooooooooooosh!

Peace and quiet for the next few thousand years.
LoL
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posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 06:22 AM
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Read the rest of the bible and see the capabilities humanity receives from Christ.
The bible doesnt speak of aliens and spaceships beyond Ezekiel (if that is indeed what it is talking about)
The whole bible points to Jesus
, even Ezekiel

So with all that in mind you want the bible to teach aliens. Seriously that is not going to happen,no minister worth their efforts and study will say aliens.
The whole bible is about Jesus, not little green men

I understand what you are saying, can read what your point is clearly, my issue is that you are taking a tiny portion of the bible and making it all about aliens, its just not there.



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 06:24 AM
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Look at the tradition of the Burqa.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa
en.wikipedia.org...

It stems from protecting daughters and wives from the Aliens.

Its said "The Angels were attracted to their long hair".

This is the source of the tradition!!

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posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 06:26 AM
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There is really no need to call them aliens as they have been part of mans world from the beginning.



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 06:28 AM
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2012newstart
Why don't the Churches tell us finally what has been in the Bible from the very beginning? Namely, there were/are Angelic powers that we should call today "benevolent ET", and there were/are demonic powers that the specialists in the field would call them "malevolent ET who don't have human best interest in mind".

Why do you think they know anything about it? Christianity was invented in the past 2,000 years. The Protestant denominations like Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists etc are less than 500 years old. I'm sure that NONE of them know anything about the Old Testament Genesis stories. Those stories are folklore from 6,000 years ago and no one even knows how much of it is true and how much is just peasant story telling. Christian churches are a recent invention compared to the age of the stories. I highly doubt they know anything at all about the Old Testament stories.



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 08:01 AM
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FlyersFan
Those stories are folklore from 6,000 years ago and no one even knows how much of it is true and how much is just peasant story telling.


All stories - dreams of other times and other places and other things appearing in and as this the living dream.
The living dream just plays.



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 08:16 AM
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borntowatch

The whole bible is about Jesus, not little green men


I believe Jesus is the only begotten Son of God the creator. Do you agree it is the same God who created everything, all planets with whatever life there is on them, including the little green men? or you don't? May be your imagination of God is someone smaller one and weaker one bt not the one who did everything everywhere. Hope not. May be your Jesus is just coming for this small planet. hope not. Jesus is unique and came for all creation. Read Paul. Read the end of the Revelation.
BTW aliens should be millions different kinds, not only LGM.



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 08:25 AM
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many people think the church know, especially those in the Vatican. Alexandria library hidden. But even if they don't know a single additional document to the books we already have, even though they can read them no worse than me. Most of them hold doctoral degrees, some of them in science too besides theology. There is a jesuit observatory one of the best in the world that searches nothing else but exo-planets (outside solar system). If I can make such conclusions, how much more those who are proficient in that. Also, they could probably switch on their TVs and see what is spread online. Internet is flooded with testimonies. Including of ties church-extraterrestrials dating back to post-WW2. I know as much as internet knows and as much as the logic shows me. I may be wrong and there is nothing strange in it. Those who are in, they know more. They should speak. As Fr Balducci etc. But at that point come those who would call them "antichrist". That should be cleared. (by someone smarter than me). The protestants already hold accusations of a "false rapture in alien spaceships". So they know pretty well all the theories but reject them. The point is not that all of that is unknown. The point is it is not accepted. Not even Ezekiel 1 is accepted, that is an absurd. How could the princes of the church not interpret Ezekiel 1 in the sight of modern knowledge? Those who accept it, are afraid will be called antichrist. That is another absurd. But I will not enter into that



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 08:42 AM
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how do you explain the men in white clothes standing at the tomb of Jesus and then at His ascension 40 days later? It is not said they had wings. How did they come, where did they go, who they are? They are not little green men, yet they are not earthly beings. From here to call those extra terrestrials=angels doesn't take long.

How do you explain angel's intervention to physically deliver Peter from the prison? Wings? Spiritual power? It was pretty physical.

This is what we know. And a flight of Phillip from the road to Gaza, to Azothus.

How many stories have been banned or never written, that would explain much more. The early church is greatly responsible for the limited knowledge of Jesus' life and time.


I would even suggest, that partly because of lack of concern to what Jesus taught, the persecutions came. Something happened in 1st century that made the church the way we know it in history and not the way Jesus taught. Perhaps a spat between the men in white and the apostles? If so it would be pretty much in the nature of Peter. How about the uncleaned animals he saw in the vision? GENTILES? Or extraterrestrials with different form than the human? Seems Peter had a hard time to accept the Romans as humans, what to say about men from another place who appear and disappear. What to say about humanoids. Poor Peter!

Read and understand what the church fathers cut off since the beginning.



posted on Nov, 2 2013 @ 09:07 AM
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My suggestion of an early spat between the extra - terrestrial angels followers of Jesus who accompanied Him in His mission, and the earthly appointed apostles, although purely hypothetical would explain much.

How is it the angels helped the first apostles but then surprisingly stopped helping? For centuries the Christians didn't have that help. Not only the persecutions (that could be explained theologically, but I doubt that explanation would suffice in today's point of view). But also until this day we lack a direct angelic visible and physical help the one the apostles had.

Perhaps Peter and the rest refused for some reason to spread the sacraments to the off-earth beings, those men in white clothes standing by every important moment of the life of Jesus (although human too but not "citizens of the 'roman' earth") and perhaps that led to their withdrawal to help the earthly church and the church altogether in history. One may say, the angels always helped invisibly. Yes but nowhere near to what Peter experienced in the prison. There is a big difference between spiritual advice and physical help to survive. Kings had to have bloody wars in the name of Jesus to obtain what they thought as justified. They didn't pray and get it as miracle.

Do we approach a time when that early mistake of the early church leaders would be overturn by today's church leaders? And the men in white called back to help God's people? Even to the ends of the Universe?

If there is only one inhabited planet where intelligent life exists, it applies the mandate of Jesus to go and preach the Gospel to the ends of the Universe (Mark 16 Greek word Cosmos). Only one such a planet among the trillions justifies the mission. Perhaps there are many more than one. We cannot withhold anymore the baptism and other sacraments to what we would call "unclean animals" as Peter did. Perhaps they are many in pure human form (as numerous witnesses testify today, as well as other forms, but human form is surprisingly vast spread in our galaxy). But also highly intelligent, moral and advanced than we are. Believers in God if you will. Believers in Jesus, if at least some of them were present at the resurrection, not Peter. Perhaps they do not kill each other in mass slaughters called justified wars, or the unborn babies. We just don't know. But we ought to understand and act accordingly.

How would we go? They would come. They are more advanced in every respect.

Don't worry about the hyperdrive and the vastness of space. Switch on History and Discovery channel if you don't believe insiders on youtube who explain it in greater detail. People with Phd or professors. Stop watching CNN. When it is announced on CNN it might be too late.

This topic is not to prove that. It is to make the churches speaking thru their members if not thru their leaders. Because tomorrow many devote persons will have a hard time seeing ships above and thinking this is from the demon. No it is not. It is the help that once Phillip had. Whether or not end time, it is not me to say. Churches are responsible for that. Demonization of ET is the worst they do. Hal Lindsey is not the only one. They know much more than I know from internet. "How can we know who is who from the ET". Don't you know Jesus and those who come in His name? "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord". "You will not see me until you say...."





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