Churches, tell us the truth of ET-angels and aliens-demons

reply to post by Deetermined


Well is Cherubim a Lamassu then?

Lamassu wikipedia reference:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamassu
en.wikipedia.org...

The child in the following video describes the craft as sounding like a flute.

At time 7:00 in video the little girl describes the sound..

Ariel school Africa UFO kids interview then and now
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww6uzFpKBQo
www.youtube.com...


The singing witnessed in a vision may have a technological implication...

reply to post by 2012newstart


There are many churches out there who teach that the sons of God from Genesis 6 are fallen angels. Supposedly these fallen angels had sex with and married the daughters of man. In Matthew 22:30 you see that angels do not marry, but suppose you make the argument that these are fallen angels and they disobeyed God, so maybe these fallen angels did marry. If that were true then I doubt they would be called the "sons of God". You should also note that in Hebrews 1:5 it says:

(KJV) "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"

In other words God NEVER called any angel his son, therefore the sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6 are not fallen angels, nor are the sons of God mentioned in Job 1 angels. Anytime you see the "sons of God" mentioned in the Bible it is talking about those who believe and are saved. This applies to the OT and the NT. The sons of God in Genesis 6 are the descendants of Seth, and the daughters of men are the descendants of Cain. That is all it is, but the false doctrine of "Dispensationalism" would have you believe in some Sci-Fi fairy tell of fallen angels producing children with human women.

But what about the giants? Didn't the fallen angels and human women produce giants? No, they didn't... lets look at Genesis 6:4

(KJV)
"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Notice how the giants were there BEFORE the sons of God "came in unto" the daughters of men. These giants were around 9 1/2 feet tall, not 400 feet tall as the fake book of Enoch would have you believe. The mighty men of renown were just regular sized men who became well known for whatever reason, be it their ability to fight war, or they became rulers and kings, etc...

I love it how people read into and interpret the various passages of the bible to suit agendas such as "proof of alien visitation" and such.

Just imagine....5000 years from now, mankind is still flourishing on this rock.....I wonder what they will make of the writings of Stephen King?

reply to post by Argyll


If you read the Book, its Blatant...

That is why Buildings exist for people to go to, so someone else can tell them what is in the book to help keep it all secret....

From front to back, there are hundreds of close encounters in the book.

Don't read it, if you don't want to see it!!

Revelation 8 KJV

13And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

reply to post by AbleEndangered

If you read the Book, its Blatant...
That is why Buildings exist for people to go to, so someone else can tell them what is in the book to help keep it all secret....
From front to back, there are hundreds of close encounters in the book.
Don't read it, if you don't want to see it!!

It's blatant if you want it to be blatant!.....it may have appeared to be something "extraterrestrial" over 2000 years ago!

A few hundred years ago we burned women as witches when the milk turned sour....we've learned a lot since then and moved on, I'd like to think that we've learned even more in the 2000 years since the "book" came about.

reply to post by Argyll

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reply to post by Logarock

Logarock
reply to post by AbleEndangered

 

There is really no need to call them aliens as they have been part of mans world from the beginning.

Watcher is another good term for them



In another 1000 years instead of be calling them Extraterrestrials or Aliens.

We might calling them friends and neighbors!!

Hopefully...

reply to post by AbleEndangered


You may very well be correct......I certainly hope you are.

This may help in the Cherub/im discussion and there is a bunch of info. They are represented by the Ankh
www.oneism.org

Also don't forget to mention the art of the day, many of the ®eligious paintings depict flying ships, and vanishing angels (DaVinci)

Excellent discussion by ALL

reply to post by 2012newstart


Thx tons for your very meaty replies.

I still quibble about the "some good" 'ET's' perspective.

1. Guy Malone and scholars researched the issue quite extensively before arriving at the 'they're all bad and fallen angels' perspective.

2. Exo-Vaticana authors Tom Horn and Chris Putnam did as well. Their 10's of thousands of pages of documentation--much of which is available on their included DVD when the book is bought from their website.

3. ALL the "ET's" I've ever read about in 45 years of studying the topic . . . are CLEARLY OVERTLY OR COVERTLY IN CAHOOTS with the NWO globalists toward setting up the literal satan worshiping satanic GLOBAL GOVERNMENT/ONE WORLD RELIGION worshiping satan as God.

There's NO POSSIBLE WAY any critters or entities could be so cooperating without being evil at heart, to the core or at least effectively controlled by those who are evil to the core. . . regardless of whether one labels such possessed, oppressed or just sympathetically toying with, dancing with the devil and his goons.

Certainly as the authors below have EXTENSIVELY DOCUMENTED, the Vatican has been in cahoots with the fallen angels for a very long time.

EXO-VATICANA by Chris Putnam and Tom Horn is a 600 page SUMMARY of 10's of THOUSANDS of pages of documentation--a shocking amount of it from the worshiped INSTITUTION the RCC.

They discuss quite extensively the differences between fallen angels and unfallen angels with exhaustive documentation of very scholarly sorts. Where the RCC offers pontifical blather and dogma about angels . . . Putnam and Horn dig out Biblical and other history and EXPERIENCES vs opinions and philosophy.

Thankfully, one with an experience need never be 'down wind' of one farting merely opinions.

Here's the thread introducing their discussion of the Pope's behind the scenes prepping to increasingly overtly label the satanic fallen angels as good guys that the Vatican is working with:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And here's their website's article on the book etc:

www.logosapologia.org...

And here's a thread on The Vatican & Aliens [fallen angels] 2013:Unsealed Alien Files:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here's the video related to that:

www.disclose.tv...

excerpts;

. . . [minute: 00:22 ] that this holy order could be part of one of the biggest cover-ups in UFO history. . . .the church is getting ready to embrace outside of planet earth as part of creation. According to UFO theorists, the Vatican has possessed knowledge of alien life, for centuries . . .

[BX: Actually, to embrace fallen angels purporting to be distant planet ET's as part of beneficial theologically instructive creation]
. . .

UNSEALED ALIEN FILES . . .

. . .

[minute 2:05] April 8th (2005) at 6:03 AM hours before John Paul's funeral, an unidentified flying object is filmed by a security camera observing St Peter's Basilica. Could this mysterious object be evidence of a connection between the Vatican and alien life? A connection that theorists and historians believe has existed since the creation of the [RCC] church.

. . .

Giordanao Bruno . . . suggesting that science dictates life on other planets. . . . in 1600, Bruno was found guilty of heresy and burned at the stake. . . . the first person in history executed by the [RCC] for belief in Extraterrestrials . . . . . . was Bruno sacrificed to cover up a secret the church has allegedly hidden for the past 1500 years?

= = =


And here: Exo-Vaticana: Pope Francis Poised for Extraterrestrial Disclosure [update]

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Truth does not arrive out of nor is it reliably confirmed or disconfirmed by a Good-ole-boy's group of self-serving power-mongers in pontifical dress.

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reply to post by BO XIAN


At least 2 factions out there...

1 has to be good!!

reply to post by AbleEndangered


I suppose it depends on how one defines

1. "factions"

and

2. "out there."

I would agree that "out there" are good--God's angel armies still loyal to Him--2/3 of what originally comprised God Almighty's "Angel armies" . . . what the KJV calls "of hosts" as in "The Lord of Hosts" and The Message version calls "angel armies." Of course, God may have created more on His side since the original 1/3 fell.

So, IF you are calling God's 2/3+ angels on His side a faction . . . and the "ET's"/fallen angels dinking around with the NWO PTB another faction--I could agree with you.

= = = =

However, if you are saying that the critters dinking around with the NWO PTB include two factions--evil and good--I disagree.

The most that such a claim is likely to result in is a GREAT DECEPTION as warned about in the NT.

That will likely take the form of a favorite strategy of the globalist PTB evil doers--the old tried and true:

GOOD-COP/BAD-COP ploy.

one or several 'groups' of the critters play the role of attackers . . . and one or several other "factions" of the critters play the role of DEFENDERS AND PROTECTORS OF HUMANS . . .

i.e. UNTIL

the dust settles . . . THEN

the world will discover that the price to pay for either 'faction' 'winning' will be utter and total submission, subservience, !CONTROL! under a very tyrannical world government . . . enhanced and abetted by exotic technologies and evil spiritual forces with significant clout of many varieties.

Of that, I have NO doubt.

That is the scheduled "end game" that the elite and their satanic puppet masters from another dimension (in scientist Dr Jacques Vallee's terms) have in mind for this beleaguered planet.

reply to post by BO XIAN


I concur!

I believe that God retained 2/3'rds due to a clear advantage. What, who knows...

The Shadow knows...

The Shadow Knows
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMlRpN8ANrU
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Youtube video added for humor.



I also believe...

-Francois de La Rochefoucauld
There are heroes in evil as well as in good.

I have a feeling everything that is playing out on Earth has played out somewhere else before...

If we were to compare Humans to other Space faring Races across the Universe.

Technologically, Humans got there the fastest.

From sticks and stones to Mars in no time...

That is Impressive and Intimidating.

The other factions are screaming its unfair, they had an advantage. Someone violated the Prime Directive.

So the Worlds convene and Judge Earth...



I believe the Fallen are prideful at their influences on us. They will feel as they are doing the right thing and steering us on the quickest path back to the life they knew.

-Tom Hiddleston
“Every villain is a hero in his own mind.”

reply to post by OptimusSubprime


NOPE.

You are conflating the record.

"Sons of God" in the OT is a fuzzy term as the scholars affirm. It is not used in ONLY ONE sense. Guy Malone's panel of scholars deal with this extensively . . . as do, IIRC, Chris Putnam and Tom Horn in EXO-VATICANA.

Jesus did NOT say that angels never had sex with humans.
Jesus did NOT say that angels COULD NOT ever choose or have chosen to inhabit bodies capable of having sex with humans.

Jesus merely said that angels in Heaven do not marry and are not given in marriage--nor will humans in Heaven.

Amos 3
Israel's Guilt and Punishment

3 Hear this word that the Lord has spoken against you, O people of Israel, against the whole family that I brought up out of the land of Egypt:

2 “You only have I known
of all the families of the earth;
therefore I will punish you
for all your iniquities.

3 “Do two walk together,
unless they have agreed to meet?
4 Does a lion roar in the forest,
when he has no prey?
Does a young lion cry out from his den,
if he has taken nothing?
5 Does a bird fall in a snare on the earth,
when there is no trap for it?
Does a snare spring up from the ground,
when it has taken nothing?
6 Is a trumpet blown in a city,
and the people are not afraid?
Does disaster come to a city,
unless the Lord has done it?

7 “For the Lord God does nothing
without revealing his secret
to his servants the prophets.
8 The lion has roared;
who will not fear?
The Lord God has spoken;
who can but prophesy?”

9 Proclaim to the strongholds in Ashdod
and to the strongholds in the land of Egypt,
and say, “Assemble yourselves on the mountains of Samaria,
and see the great tumults within her,
and the oppressed in her midst.”
10 “They do not know how to do right,” declares the Lord,
“those who store up violence and robbery in their strongholds.”

11 Therefore thus says the Lord God:

“An adversary shall surround the land
and bring down[a] your defenses from you,
and your strongholds shall be plundered.”

12 Thus says the Lord: “As the shepherd rescues from the mouth of the lion two legs, or a piece of an ear, so shall the people of Israel who dwell in Samaria be rescued, with the corner of a couch and part of a bed.

13 “Hear, and testify against the house of Jacob,”
declares the Lord God, the God of hosts,
14 “that on the day I punish Israel for his transgressions,
I will punish the altars of Bethel,
and the horns of the altar shall be cut off
and fall to the ground.
15 I will strike the winter house along with the summer house,
and the houses of ivory shall perish,
and the great houses[c] shall come to an end,”
declares the Lord.

“Hear this word, you cows of Bashan,
who are on the mountain of Samaria,
who oppress the poor, who crush the needy,
who say to your husbands, ‘Bring, that we may drink!’
2 The Lord God has sworn by his holiness
that, behold, the days are coming upon you,
when they shall take you away with hooks,
even the last of you with fishhooks.
3 And you shall go out through the breaches,
each one straight ahead;
and you shall be cast out into Harmon,”
declares the Lord.

4 “Come to Bethel, and transgress;
to Gilgal, and multiply transgression;
bring your sacrifices every morning,
your tithes every three days;
5 offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving of that which is leavened,
and proclaim freewill offerings, publish them;
for so you love to do, O people of Israel!”
declares the Lord God.
Israel Has Not Returned to the Lord

6 “I gave you cleanness of teeth in all your cities,
and lack of bread in all your places,
yet you did not return to me,”
declares the Lord.

7 “I also withheld the rain from you
when there were yet three months to the harvest;
I would send rain on one city,
and send no rain on another city;
one field would have rain,
and the field on which it did not rain would wither;
8 so two or three cities would wander to another city
to drink water, and would not be satisfied;
yet you did not return to me,”
declares the Lord.

9 “I struck you with blight and mildew;
your many gardens and your vineyards,
your fig trees and your olive trees the locust devoured;
yet you did not return to me,”
declares the Lord.

10 “I sent among you a pestilence after the manner of Egypt;
I killed your young men with the sword,
and carried away your horses,[a]
and I made the stench of your camp go up into your nostrils;
yet you did not return to me,”
declares the Lord.

11 “I overthrew some of you,
as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah,
and you were as a brand plucked out of the burning;
yet you did not return to me,”
declares the Lord.

12 “Therefore thus I will do to you, O Israel;
because I will do this to you,
prepare to meet your God, O Israel!”

13 For behold, he who forms the mountains and creates the wind,
and declares to man what is his thought,
who makes the morning darkness,
and treads on the heights of the earth—
the Lord, the God of hosts, is his name!

Seek the Lord and Live

5 Hear this word that I take up over you in lamentation, O house of Israel:

2 “Fallen, no more to rise,
is the virgin Israel;
forsaken on her land,
with none to raise her up.”

3 For thus says the Lord God:

“The city that went out a thousand
shall have a hundred left,
and that which went out a hundred
shall have ten left
to the house of Israel.”

4 For thus says the Lord to the house of Israel:

“Seek me and live;
5 but do not seek Bethel,
and do not enter into Gilgal
or cross over to Beersheba;
for Gilgal shall surely go into exile,
and Bethel shall come to nothing.”

6 Seek the Lord and live,
lest he break out like fire in the house of Joseph,
and it devour, with none to quench it for Bethel,
7 O you who turn justice to wormwood[a]
and cast down righteousness to the earth!

8 He who made the Pleiades and Orion,
and turns deep darkness into the morning
and darkens the day into night,
who calls for the waters of the sea
and pours them out on the surface of the earth,
the Lord is his name;
9 who makes destruction flash forth against the strong,
so that destruction comes upon the fortress.

10 They hate him who reproves in the gate,
and they abhor him who speaks the truth.
11 Therefore because you trample on the poor
and you exact taxes of grain from him,
you have built houses of hewn stone,
but you shall not dwell in them;
you have planted pleasant vineyards,
but you shall not drink their wine.
12 For I know how many are your transgressions
and how great are your sins—
you who afflict the righteous, who take a bribe,
and turn aside the needy in the gate.
13 Therefore he who is prudent will keep silent in such a time,
for it is an evil time.

14 Seek good, and not evil,
that you may live;
and so the Lord, the God of hosts, will be with you,
as you have said.
15 Hate evil, and love good,
and establish justice in the gate;
it may be that the Lord, the God of hosts,
will be gracious to the remnant of Joseph.

16 Therefore thus says the Lord, the God of hosts, the Lord:

“In all the squares there shall be wailing,
and in all the streets they shall say, ‘Alas! Alas!’
They shall call the farmers to mourning
and to wailing those who are skilled in lamentation,
17 and in all vineyards there shall be wailing,
for I will pass through your midst,”
says the Lord.
Let Justice Roll Down

18 Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord!
Why would you have the day of the Lord?
It is darkness, and not light,
19 as if a man fled from a lion,
and a bear met him,
or went into the house and leaned his hand against the wall,
and a serpent bit him.
20 Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light,
and gloom with no brightness in it?

21 “I hate, I despise your feasts,
and I take no delight in your solemn assemblies.
22 Even though you offer me your burnt offerings and grain offerings,
I will not accept them;
and the peace offerings of your fattened animals,
I will not look upon them.
23 Take away from me the noise of your songs;
to the melody of your harps I will not listen.
24 But let justice roll down like waters,
and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.

25 “Did you bring to me sacrifices and offerings during the forty years in the wilderness, O house of Israel? 26 You shall take up Sikkuth your king, and Kiyyun your star-god—your images that you made for yourselves, 27 and I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,” says the Lord, whose name is the God of hosts.

LewisStulePhD
This may help in the Cherub/im discussion and there is a bunch of info. They are represented by the Ankh
www.oneism.org

Also don't forget to mention the art of the day, many of the ®eligious paintings depict flying ships, and vanishing angels (DaVinci)

Excellent discussion by ALL

There was war in heaven. The losers were restricted to earth. Many, many still locked up in another dimension. Some lose, bad Arch Angel Prince and Power of the Air.

Arch Angels of the Lord seen with sword, bursting into flames, a light by day a pillar by night, at one time spoke to the gathered people, talking to Daniel, rolled away stone at tomb, talked to Peter, heard by John in new testament ect ect just to name a very few.

2012newstart

borntowatch

The whole bible is about Jesus, not little green men

I believe Jesus is the only begotten Son of God the creator. Do you agree it is the same God who created everything, all planets with whatever life there is on them, including the little green men? or you don't? May be your imagination of God is someone smaller one and weaker one bt not the one who did everything everywhere. Hope not. May be your Jesus is just coming for this small planet. hope not. Jesus is unique and came for all creation. Read Paul. Read the end of the Revelation.
BTW aliens should be millions different kinds, not only LGM.

Yeah right, millions of others
I dont believe in little green men
I believe in Angels and demons and the demons disguise themselves as aliens

Science teaches that travelling from galaxy to galaxy is impossible, time and fuel
adsabs.harvard.edu...

My Jesus died at Calvary to forgive sin, thats enough to grasp never mind green men ftom other galaxies.

If you have evidence I will read and study it.

Is God alien to humanity, are Angels and demons....yes
Sting was a legal alien in New Yory

www.youtube.com...

To borntowatch and all

Sorry something went wrong with the quotes. So I summarize some responses, and naturally I cannot answer all of them neither someone requires it.


Evidence is not mine, it belongs to the people who present it online. Of course the sources differ, and there are such who talk of evil abductions. There are such who talk of voluntary contact. Among them is Bob Dean that seems no one takes him seriously. I posted the video of his excellent interview together with Clifford Stone. Both military and hi-clearance guys. Both lost children. Clifford Stone on 2001 conference that I quoted, said of 54 already categorized alien races ALREADY ON EARTH from 4 main groups. The Grey (little green men in pop culture) are only 3 of the 54.

About the vast interplanetary space. Search what the modern scientists as professor Kip Thorne of Caltech have to say about the WORMHOLE. Read their books. Don't be satisfied with the mainstream physics even if it has the label of Harvard! Do we serve labels?

Those are technologies thousand years ahead of todays physics. I knew I wouldn't pass without such questions, but the thread becomes too tech and there is always the danger of Dr Astro in it who proves everything wrong from contemporary mainstream physics.

What source to give you? Try Steven Hawking "into the Universe" on Discovery, now available on some youtube channels. Try Prof. Michio Kaku on youtube. Watch it and try to understand it! Don't come with ready answers that are already mothbaled. Please don;t come with Newtonian physics to tell the people the stars cannot be reached. Never heard of Einstein-Rosen bridge, the first theory of the modern wormholes?

"I believe in Angels and demons and the demons disguise themselves as aliens" - so the angels do not, according to that logic. I quoted enough places in the Gospel where it speaks of clear ET who manifest physically and not of spirits alone. So does the Old testament.

"My Jesus died at Calvary to forgive sin, thats enough to grasp never mind green men ftom other galaxies."

Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. Jesus died for the green men too, if they would want to accept him.

And are not the only ET. Please understand there are variety of ET including many humans. Some are said to work in the Pentagon. Indistinguishable from the crowd on the street. The human form is not unique in the Universe or in our galaxy. So say people who have worked with such other people. I offered you Henry Deacon but seems nobody touched him either.

Without moving thru the sources I pointed your attention at, it is useless further discussion. Those sources are authentic of people with credibilities. Pls review 2001 UFO disclosure conference. Also 2013 conference where Paul Hellyer former Canadian defense minister in several cabinets testifies of 5 ET races already in contact. 4 of them are HUMAN ET. Saying there are many others too.

The demonization of ET will guarantee the Christian churches will not make it thru when the truth is revealed on CNN. Nobody will believe people who lied for centuries and continue to deny the truth.

On contrary those Churches and Christians who find the true language of the Gospel, have every chance to become galactic and to baptize billions of "aliens" (doesn't mean non-citizens of USA but non-citizens of that planet).

Core issues haven't been touched by those who adopt the demonization view in this thread. Such as the aliens have been created by the same good God. Such as there should be a ratio between good and evil in the Universe, as there is on earth. Main Bible texts speak of the good ones, as well as of the evil ones. Not only of Nephilim. If this is lacking in your research, if you talk only of Nephilim but not of Ezekiel 1 it is a very limited approach that will not bring fruits - first to you yourselves and then to your followers.

God bless everyone!

reply to post by 2012newstart


Of course I believe the God of The Bible created all that is.

However, it sounds like you are believing a class of critters and their propaganda . . .

without any possibility of truly independent verification.

Further . . . a class of critters KNOWN for lying, lying, lying, lying chronically.

And you do that against Christ's warning that

IN the END TIMES

there would come a DECEPTION so slick that WERE IT POSSIBLE,

the very 'elect' would be deceived.

Extreme caution and sticking to the basics of the NT and OT records is wise.

Believing a stinking pile from a class of critters known for their lying . . . is not wise.

BO XIAN
reply to post by OptimusSubprime

 

NOPE.

You are conflating the record.

"Sons of God" in the OT is a fuzzy term as the scholars affirm. It is not used in ONLY ONE sense. Guy Malone's panel of scholars deal with this extensively . . . as do, IIRC, Chris Putnam and Tom Horn in EXO-VATICANA.

Jesus did NOT say that angels never had sex with humans.
Jesus did NOT say that angels COULD NOT ever choose or have chosen to inhabit bodies capable of having sex with humans.

Jesus merely said that angels in Heaven do not marry and are not given in marriage--nor will humans in Heaven.

I don't care what a "panel of scholars" said. I care what the Bible says... and it defines itself and the words it uses perfectly without the need of a bunch of "scholars".

reply to post by OptimusSubprime


Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh . . .

I've never met anyone who had a greater respect and reverence for the written Word of God than I have.

I still haven't met any such person.

1. I have learned to lay greater portions of my pride aside and realize that

IF I fail to understand some of the root word meanings of keywords, I miss a lot of the treasure within Scripture.

2. The Scripture says to STUDY, TO SHOW OURSELVES APPROVED UNTO GOD . . . RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH. Solid, orthodox, Biblical Scholars have merely studied more full time than laymen. I'd be a fool to avoid learning from them.

3. Who would you rather translate the Scriptures into modern English, modern Chinese?

A) Laymen without a clue about the original Hebrew and Greek?

B) Pseudo-Scholars who never graduated with their degrees and have only a shallow understanding of the keywords?

C) Scholars who know intimately the meanings of the root words in the original Hebrew and Greek and the contextual uses typical for those words in the Biblical times and eras in which they were written?

Please keep in mind that Holy Spirit and His wisdom are observing your reply.