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Churches, tell us the truth of ET-angels and aliens-demons

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posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 01:53 PM
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh . . .

I've never met anyone who had a greater respect and reverence for the written Word of God than I have.

I still haven't met any such person.

1. I have learned to lay greater portions of my pride aside and realize that

IF I fail to understand some of the root word meanings of keywords, I miss a lot of the treasure within Scripture.

2. The Scripture says to STUDY, TO SHOW OURSELVES APPROVED UNTO GOD . . . RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH. Solid, orthodox, Biblical Scholars have merely studied more full time than laymen. I'd be a fool to avoid learning from them.

3. Who would you rather translate the Scriptures into modern English, modern Chinese?

A) Laymen without a clue about the original Hebrew and Greek?

B) Pseudo-Scholars who never graduated with their degrees and have only a shallow understanding of the keywords?

C) Scholars who know intimately the meanings of the root words in the original Hebrew and Greek and the contextual uses typical for those words in the Biblical times and eras in which they were written?

Please keep in mind that Holy Spirit and His wisdom are observing your reply.




posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 02:01 PM
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Bo, if you use all your energy and time to review what I posted as links, probably you would finally conclude there is at least one civilization out there that Jesus died for it too. Perhaps human ET. One out of billions there is for certain. In fact the humans on earth are the worst of the kind.

About the Greek letters, it is hard but indeed better check the Greek original of the new testament (except for Matthew). Mark 16 you can find it in biblegateway in Greek. I forgot the verse but find it first in English where Jesus mandates the disciples to go to the end of the "world" translated whatever in contemporary language, and then compare the Greek word Cosmon = Cosmos in inclination form. The Greek knew the Universe, the Cosmos, and named it. Unlike the Christians in early centuries who tried to forget and ban any knowledge on that. Combined with illiteracy of multitudes it weren't that hard to do. They might never believe there would be internet to check every word and every book they banned and to discuss that before the entire reading intelligent world.
To the culmination of destruction of Alexandria library. Perhaps some of it is inside Vatican.

Sure Jesus didn't order that to his disciples, among other things.
Now is the biggest crossroad of all Churches who want to continue following Jesus in authentic way as it were back then. Or to go in history as irrelevant unworthy servants.



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 04:53 PM
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I don't have a big problem with theoretically thinking that there may well be other humans in the cosmos . . .

1. Christ has saved a LOT of folks to "rule and reign with Him" over evidently countless worlds and endless ages.

2. The cryptic verse about 'other sheep I have' or some such has some interesting possibilities.

3. Abraham's seed are to number as the sands of the sea and the stars of Heaven. This globe isn't big enough for that many RULERS, for sure.

4. The gates of the New Jerusalem are evidently made of a single pearl. Must be a different ocean somewhere.

= = = =

However, imho, the best and most convincing scholarship I've read and listened to . . . and my own observations from studying the topic since 1962 convinces me that ALL the purported ET critters in any kind of dialogue with the globalist PTB are highly likely to absolutely certainly evil, fallen angels helping, if not directing the establishment of the satanic world government. NONE of those are nice . . . regardless of their veterinary kindnesses to their human cattle.



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 05:11 PM
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Travis Walton says he met them...

Travis Walton Abducted by Aliens in Fire in the Sky - FULL FREE VIDEO
www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5-gcVF9cng
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posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 05:16 PM
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He's clearly recalling a LOT more than when I spoke with him face to face less than 8 years ago at a conference.

Thankfully, he also seems to be less under the influence of PTSD.



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 09:33 PM
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However, other than saying he met human looking critters on a UFO . . . from my chat with him, he has no more clue WHAT they are than a lot of other people.

He also has NO WAY of vetting their claims. And, actually, he didn't seem to get much information from them. I was surprised when I talked with him and listened to his conference talk . . . and also your video of him . . . there's NOT REALLY a great lot of detail from his experience that adds anything to the field.

Stan Romanek has tons more details . . . though I'm convinced he's bought the ET KoolAid a long time ago.



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 10:04 PM
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Wow you met him...

The thing is, we can never really be sure its him or a clone of him...

Just kidding!!

I feel his testimony adds a lot to the field, i'll explain.

1. The craft appeared as fire in the sky.
2. The craft remained stationary and emitted a off balance wash machine noise. Described the craft as a brand new corvette with its shine like glass and curves.
3. The craft had a light beam that could paralyze and then with more energy, throw him back.
4. The air of the smaller humanoids craft was heavy, hot and humid.
5. When he met the First taller Human-like Humanoid he wore a light blue Cover-all and glass fish bowl or halo like helmet and escorted out of the craft.
6. He witnessed other craft inside a hangar facility. He could have been in Space, Moon, or somewhere eon Earth...or even further...
7. The next set of Humans put him to sleep. Apparently never said a word or gesture to him.
8. He met 3 small Grey like humanoids. 3 Human-Like Humanoids.
9. When they dropped him off he said the craft could fly straight up. SO that means they had a good record of Location and the activities of Humans...
10. The Different Aliens seem to have a coalition, protocol and mission.

6 witnesses to #1-3.

The aliens of the craft may have actually saved Travis from interacting with the ships flux field.

Another step closer might have killed him. Maybe an auto defense mechanism on craft.

The Travis Walton Encounter
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Caje5wRA1_w
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This next one I think is from unsolved mysteries.

The Abduction of Travis Walton. Conclusion.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWaoEcIZzdI
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posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 12:34 AM
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AbleEndangered

9. When they dropped him off he said the craft could fly straight up. SO that means they had a good record of Location and the activities of Humans...



Wanted to clarify # 9 a little.

Them dropping him off and flying straight up had nothing to do with them knowing Location.

Where they dropped him off at means they recorded where they were and knew of human activity enough to drop him off near or on a road not far from a phone booth.



posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 12:50 AM
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BO XIAN
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I don't have a big problem with theoretically thinking that there may well be other humans in the cosmos . . .

1. Christ has saved a LOT of folks to "rule and reign with Him" over evidently countless worlds and endless ages.

2. The cryptic verse about 'other sheep I have' or some such has some interesting possibilities.

3. Abraham's seed are to number as the sands of the sea and the stars of Heaven. This globe isn't big enough for that many RULERS, for sure.

4. The gates of the New Jerusalem are evidently made of a single pearl. Must be a different ocean somewhere.

= = = =


Let concentrate on the positive. You might have right on the negative but not to the degree you assume.

So, if you represent position that is naturally closer to most of the churches great minds, then why there isn't a body to do that investigation? Are the jesuits a such? Don't they all realize the moment the ET appear in the skies (whoever they might be) the churches and may be christianity as a whole will lose millions of people. Not lost to God but lost to false teaching that screwd up the Bible and continues walking as if it is Middle ages.
If the churches have a different view they'd better tell it to the people. They will be called whatever? They are ALREADY CALLED whatever by books like ExoVaticana. They ALREADY are accused of collaboration with evil aliens. Let they stand up and defend there are good aliens they know of, or called also angels. If there is such a grouping, not necessarily of one only church, I am ready to join it with my non standard approach to this and others phenomena. I do not make cheap add of myself. Such new agenda is necessary for Christianity. It is the only thing that wil make the Christian churches who adopt it to make it thru.

In underground conditions of nuclear fallout or even nuclear winter (see other threads) very few will pay a cent for church teachings of 15th century. Many would look for the ones who would help them in their desperation. Whether it is first underground and second ships or stargates to other planets, does it matter. In such conditions I contemplate completely new structures (if needed at all) of Christianity to rise up. With apostolic succession because God will not allow that to be broken. But not with the 99% of those who don't give a cent today for such useless and erroneous questions to be even contemplated by the faithful They must confess may be, if they are catholics. What a tragedy! Jesus never taught anything of that. Jesus said, learn the truth and the truth shall make you free. But only the quotes of Jesus of marriage are indeed not enough to walk farther in 21st century.



posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 01:44 AM
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the text of 2 Esdras is included in the Latin Vulgate and in the original King James Bible. It is deuterocanonical. Parts of Esdras are included in the Russian Slavic Bibles called otherwise (pls check Wikipedia article for exact namings that vary). Unfortunately modern versions skip it all. It is strange though that the Hebrew tradition doesn't officially keep record of 2 Esdras. However, in chapter 14 he said that there are 70 more books he wrote that will be kept secret. That could be the reason why the Hebrew tradition doesn't want to speak of 2 Esdras, because who if not they keep those hidden books.

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www.sacred-texts.com...

2 Esdras 14:
44 In forty days they wrote two hundred and four books.

45 And it came to pass, when the forty days were filled, that the Highest spake, saying, The first that thou hast written publish openly, that the worthy and unworthy may read it:

46 But keep the seventy last, that thou mayest deliver them only to such as be wise among the people:

47 For in them is the spring of understanding, the fountain of wisdom, and the stream of knowledge.

48 And I did so.
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So let go back to the equation of archangel Uriel about the time of the world.

10 For the world hath lost his youth, and the times begin to wax old.

11 For the world is divided into twelve parts, and the ten parts of it are gone already, and half of a tenth part:

12 And there remaineth that which is after the half of the tenth part.

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I estimated it various times. I admit despite it looks very simple it is not that simple at all. The results I receive for the parts of the world already passed, (if we assume they are equal parts and that is a big if), to be either 15/16 or 7/8. You may try by yourself and receive a different result. But even if we assume the longer part remaining, let say 7/8 passed and 1/8 remained, still it is INCOMPATIBLE with ALL HISTORIC DATES.

6000 years of creation since Adam and Eve is the first number to fail. Esdras lived some 400 y BC. Add up 2013 and you get a number that is bigger than the number you would receive for the duration of the world from the equation. IF it is started 6000y and 7/8 passed until Esdras time, it would have ended by now! Even more so if you use 15/16 and 1/16 remaining.

Much larger numbers should be assumed as the origin of the world. Let say the origin of first humanoids on this planet whose bones date back to 100,000 years or more. I would assume the origin of the planet itself that dates back to 4 billion years. And even the Universe itself, that dates some 13 bln years old at least (dcade ago it was dated as 17 bln years old, new theories may easily change that number, but they cannot shrink it anymore because there are existing galaxies dated to be 12 bln light years away).

We speak of galactic, universal numbers much longer than the lifespan of a generation or even the entire human written history. This is evident when you read Esdras and ponder not only on the math that is simple yet very difficult, but also on the spirit in the entire chapters.

(2 Esdras 1,2 might be written later, in Christian time, anyway. I advise to start reading from the latter chapters and going backwards).

If archangel Uriel's message is accepted as a true message from God, (and don't know the reason why such an ancient text telling us so much should be disregarded) then we speak of nothing less than hundreds of millions years more allotted to the Universe as a whole. It doesn't mean the earth or the current course of human history on earth will last so long. The entire Universe has much time enclosed in the remaining 1/8 or 1/16 (depending on your estimation of that equation given not mathematically but with wording that might differ in translation and tradition, anyway it is quite much).

If so, to speak of imminent Second Coming followed by Millennium 1000 years or so, followed by the Judgment Day and change of the Universe including elimination of the process of physical death on molecular level, as Revelation chapters end with that event, is not serious to be any time soon. We have to accept God's ways are higher and much longer than ours.

But if Jesus would come 1000 years before the Judgment Day when the Universe itself will change (Ref Revelation's end), then there is still enormous time between now and then. Millions of years. May be hundreds of millions, don't know. Unless there is a time machine, a topic that I would not discuss.

In that time, the trillions of stars should be approached and offered to believe in Jesus. I do not agree all are evil. May be those around us within 50-100 light years are mostly evil, don't know. But those on many hundred thousand light years distance, they may never heard of Jesus in first place. Some of them, the chosen ones, may not only heard of, but could be visited by the Resurrected Lord and called to a special service. I only can imagine.

Everything will change the moment those higher ones come to Earth and rescue the chosen people. As Bob Dean speaks of a Third power higher than the two Et factions that battle over Earth's possession. Have you listened to his landmark interview? Please scroll back and find it. The tings that are offered everywhere are quite cheap and no one cares of them. Please go back and find Robert Bob Dean and Clifford Stone with Camelot's Kerry posted on youtube, or google it. You will learn more than I say here, but I will not discuss it here. In all, I think I discussed quite enough online and will keep the restof issues for myself, or for interested parties. It could involve the issues briefly mentioned by me, or others. Or those mentioned by Bob Dean at the end of the 3h long interview. You decide. I simply cannot pour out precious yet unrecognized knowledge only to be sidelined and sometimes ridiculed. I know the award is with the Lord, but the time grows so short that this is may be the last chance of many of the clergy to choose it right. Those who continue the church of the Lord on the other side. Those who want to be on the other side serving the Lord and His creatures. Not those who seek temporal recognition by current status quo that will end in one only night with the appearance of many Betlehem stars in the skies who wil show the way with their lights. It might be a way underground to avoid the imminent danger that of the nuclear annihilation. I don't know.



posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 02:25 AM
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there are two sides that I consider: the first is the imminent threat of planetary cataclysm and the immediate help that the ET should provide here and now. They may not be saints but they ought to save the people of God. Otherwise they will be accountable. But I think/hope they will do their job as given mission by God.

The second line that I see as important is the perspectives for life in the Universe that has to be evangelized. In different forms including the human form that is wide spread according to witnesses.
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posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 04:38 AM
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Thanks for your thoughtful replies.

I have watched most of the Project Camelot guests you mention. I was not impressed with their theological blather.

You seem to have a low appreciation for God's will and capacity to protect His written Word . . . Christ said not one tiny punctuation remark would pass away until all was fulfilled.

It still seems clear to me from the text that the era in which Israel became a nation again in a day would see the rest of the END TIMES prophecies fulfilled.

So far, we look to be quite ON TRACK for that outline.

And I accept nothing nor receive any critter as remotely good who fails to acknowledge that Jesus came in mortal flesh as well as the basic doctrines of the Faith in Him that He and Paul preached.



posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 10:52 AM
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Why "He and Paul"?

I think for most part we do not contradict each other, except for the number and ratio of evil civilizations vs good.
I believe the angels make up that other part that I primarily talk about. Angel=messenger, Paul calls themselves angels. Angel is not equal to spirit. Everyone could be an angel in certain circumstance. What the Gospel encounters are beings not of this world. Not spirits who move stones and open iron doors. Why don't they do it today, too?

Doctrines are made by people. Don't know which one you follow, never mind. Jesus doesn't teach canon rules. Even dogmas are made later. Jesus taught simple. As of the churches today, they indeed have to go thoroughly thru what they call doctrines and to fix them to correspond to the real world. As they did back then in 4th century when they were legalized. This time more successful I hope for their sake. As you notice, I address them, not necessarily you, so don't take it personal


We leave many open questions anyway.



posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 11:07 AM
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I quote constantly God's words although I don't quote verses in most cases. Surely I respect it. The problem is that God's word made it thru the history Despite the attempts to restrict it, not vice versus. We see it before our eyes how newer and newer "translations" exchange key phrases. SHould I say some of them? "world" became "earth" and as it goes it will become "flat continent" again. "except for adultery" became "except for unlawful marriage". Everyone who is well versed knows whathappens with the word of God. Those who change it will bear their responsibility. But it shows also it could be fixed back then in the early centuries. Jesus didn't write a line, or if He did we don't have it. We don't have Matthew, Luke, Mark. We have what remained from their disciples' collections. They were mixed, that's why we have so similar synoptic gospels - they used one and same source. I am not that sure also for John's works if they date back to year 90-100 AD or date back later. I.e. are they written down after John's death, in the best case fllowing John's manuscripts. From what I know they do not date back to the time John was alive. We have retold retold retold stories. Despite all that, key phrases of God's word who define it made it thru until today. But we cannot close our eyes before absurd contradictions. Not even the days of the Holy week match, because Jesus could not have the last supper Thursday night, go thru all pre-trials and trial, could not be crucified on Friday, die, and resurrect on Saturday night. There are detailed studies of the gospels about that you may search that online. Where are the 3 days between the death and the resurrection, as He said. Friday - Saturday night is made for convenience because one cannot expect the faithful to observe longer period. The orthodox still fast on Wednesday too, besides Friday. Why? Not because Judas betrayed Jesus as it is the official version. It could be Jesus died on Wednesday, although I think it was Thursday. Actually it doesn't matter what I think at all! Those are questions that are not raised by me, you but that stand before the Christianity for quite a long time. And they don't find reasonable explanations.

If not the Holy week matches, then what matches at all?
We have the Assumption of Mary in apocrypha, we have the Pentecost in a writing that is not quite in one of the 4 gospels although it is believed the Acts are written/rewritten by/from Luke. A Bible scholar could go on and on. I have done my personal study on the gospels and it was not unfruitful. I am not a Bible scholar to defend better this or that position. If you or others have objections, please refer to internet and their sources who defend their positions quite well from Bible point of view. Of course I cannot put down here everything I have ever read.

This all study shows a great respect to the word of God and constant watch not to be changed. We work with already changed texts and have to find them back. How about the non canonical books that the 4th century fathers trashed out? Perhaps now they pay for that transgression, not quite in heaven as painted. The sooner the main churches accept they have to reform key issues, the better. How about the Dead sea scrolls that seem date before the most ancient ones? Are they fake? Most of them are still silenced, in the hands of Hebrew scholars. Sorry for that, but let face the truth of Jesus whom we call Lord and God. Do we know Him in first place? Do we put efforts to know Him better, as He is?


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posted on Nov, 6 2013 @ 07:10 AM
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"He and Paul" was merely to emphasize that I believe the whole of the NT. Some hereon trash Paul quote vigorously.

I do think our perspectives overlap considerably. They are not quite identical on some significant points, it seems.

One of the main and most critical one is that you seem to believe that the Text of the Scriptures has suffered a LOT more alterations of a LOT MORE SIGNIFICANCE than I believe. I don't think you have studied that issue as thoroughly as I may have. And I have only studied it moderately thoroughly.

I believe that knowledge of WHO CHRIST IS comes at least as much from a walking intimate RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LIVING WORD as it does by reading the Text.

I believe that The Text affords me all I need to establish and do my part to maintain a relationship with God The Father, Son and Spirit and to enjoy an eternal abode with them.

Speculations beyond the text are at best, imho, misguided 99.9999% of the time . . . and fostered by deceiving spirits at least that much. I consider them largely folly and hazardous because of the directions and lengths they typically go.

Paul said CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED (& RESURRECTED) was the sufficient focus. Amen.

I appreciate the dialogue.

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posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 01:13 AM
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Thanks!
It may turn out that the ROman church and especially Vatican is already in relations with ET. Not exactly those spoken of Tom Horne, but rather some more dangerous. I do not rule out that certain members of hierarchy, being double members of underground societies had and may continue to have relations with entities that you would call demonic, but I would call malevolent ET. It is too early to name them, although attempts have been made.
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posted on Nov, 9 2013 @ 11:10 PM
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The honest Catholic bishops who are interested in Space Theology should start developing it ASAP, not waiting for anyone and anything more, to be able to give explanations to their flocks at the time of ships arrival. I think I have what to help them about that



posted on Nov, 9 2013 @ 11:48 PM
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I used to be a christian and I mixed up hte UFO thing with my beliefs at the time. I believed UFOs were evil. No matter what you believe, there're a lot of references in hte bible to the heavens. Find one of those online versions of the bible and do a search for "heaven" or "heavens" and see for yourself.

Why would Jesus rise UP in his ascension? If heaven is immaterial, WHY? Futhermore, the apostles were informed Jesus would return in the same manner.

I'm not a christian anymore and not sure UFOs are anything other than mythology. We humans are stubbornly irrational, so UFOs very well could be mythology. I believe there's life elsewhere, but I'm not sure if it's intelligent. I do think if there're intelligent ET's some of them will be significantly more advanced and it's possible we might think of them as gods or angels because of their abilities.
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posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 02:07 PM
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Pleiadian sources (ET from Pleiades cluster relatively near) claim Jesus is there under the name Lord Sananda. I don't quite believe them
But logically speaking (humanly) Jesus had 1980 years after the resurrection and ascension when He would sit at the throne of God the Father all that time? Of course I have never been there and it surely deserves to spend the entire eternity there! But at the same time, having billions of worlds of new stars and planets behind his feet, wouldn't He decide to visit some in all those years? Perhaps the Father may tell Him to go and preach "As the Father works so I work". As He visited Earth in apparitions, as Mother Mary did. The Angels-ET may have invited Jesus to any planet He wants to go. Perhaps the invitations are more than the busy schedule allows. If he chooses to spend let say 1 year for 1 planet He could have visited and walked in His resurrected body on 1980 planets. He might have chosen different schedule with more planets for less time. The angels there would be extremely happy, they love Him! Is it possible there, not only possible but very likely they form communities much better than the "christian communities" on planet earth where the experience almost failed. They know Jesus, they follow his words and live as they should live, in the resence of the Lord! As Padre Pio said, they may not even have the original sin, some of them! Others might have it as we do and would need baptism.

In other words, in the Rapture we may go to one or more of these ready planets. I avoid the word worlds because it means everything the Universe the Cosmos, and is mistaken in our Bibles. A world is not equivalent to a single planet alone. A world could be the entire solar system, or the entire local group of stars if we know them (Pleiades included here).

So I am not afraid of the rapture of Jesus' bride the true believers that make the true church, because He will know where to lead her and for how long -may be much longer than 7 years. The christianity do not end here on earth - it is where the head is - Christ. Because it is Christ the head. Not a human person like popes, patriarchs, whoever. The Orthodox realized that truth already that only Christ can be the head of the church, and they are just administrators of Him temporarily.
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posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 02:17 PM
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If you want to take it to such an extreme definition, then wouldn't you say God is indeed an alien, because He is not indigenous to this earth?

If something is from outside, then it's alien. But I suppose you are looking for the pop culture Marvin the Martian type of alien.

The Bible says Ezekiel saw a "Wheel within a wheel" and using the only words he had to describe it with, might not necessarily mean a wheel. But since it was not indigenous to this planet, then it's alien. That's called semantics, of which Ancient Aliens are playing fast and loose with.

Semantically speaking, God is an extra-terrestrial, because God is not indigenous to Terra Firma. But if you want to believe God is a Gray, Annunaki, Reptilian or whatever, then I suppose you can think whatever you wish.



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