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To be clear ... Angels can not procreate with humans

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posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 07:03 AM
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This has come up again, so let's be clear .... Angels and humans are separate species. Separate species can not procreate. Angels are PURE SPIRIT and don't have the ability to procreate. Therefore, there are no humans running around with angel DNA in them. ALIEN DNA maybe. But not 'angel' DNA.

Angels are holy. They do not sin so they don't have sex outside of marriage. Marriage is for procreation. If there is procreation, then it would be within marriage. Angels do not marry and so do not have sex. They have no sexual organs. They do not have babies because God alone made angels. Angels do not have bodies to have sex with. They are pure spirit and were created by God. They were not created with the ability to procreate since God made all the angels Himself.

And as far as the old stories go about Abraham and the 'angels'
1 - The peasants confused aliens with angels.
2 - Chances are that Abraham might not even have existed and his story is pure folklore.
DId Abraham Exist

What are Angels ?

Angels are created spirits, without bodies, having understanding and free will.

(a) Reason alone cannot prove that the angels exist. Reason indicates, however, that just as there are purely material creatures, and creatures composed of both matter and spirit, so also it is fitting that there should be purely spiritual creatures.

(b) Angels are spiritual beings inferior to God and superior to man.

(c) Sacred Scripture frequently speaks of the angels and mentions three by name: the Archangels Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael.

(d) The nine "choirs" of angels are the Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones, Dominations, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Archangels, and Angels.

(e) The exact number of angels is unknown, but Sacred Scripture indicates that their number is very great.


The Holy Angels - Pure Spirit

What are angels made of?

Each angel whom God has made is a unique being, says Saint Thomas Aquinas in his book Summa Theologica: "Since angels have in them no matter or bodiliness at all, for they are pure spirits, they are not individuated. This means that each angel is the only one of its kind. It means that each angel is a species or essential kind of substantial being. Hence each angel is essentially different from every other angel."


Matthew 22:30 - At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

Angels according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church

330 As purely spiritual creatures angels have intelligence and will: they are personal and immortal creatures, surpassing in perfection all visible creatures, as the splendor of their glory bears witness.


read here - THE SUPPOSED PROCREATION IN THE OLD TESTAMENT BETWEEN "ANGELS AND HUMANS


The idea that the Sons of Elohim were angels comes largely from the book of Enoch, which is rejected by Jewish and Christian scholars alike. This book was written shortly after 200 B.C.E. The pseudonymous author doubtlessly received this notion from Greek mythology.



One more impossibility that people overlook who advocate that angels procreated with the daughters of men is the fact that Yahweh never designed angels to reproduce other life. Yahshua in Matthew 22:30 plainly said that angels neither marry or are given in marriage, "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of Elohim in heaven."

Yahshua very plainly and without debate stated that angels are not given in marriage, thus indicating that Yahweh never gave them the ability to procreate within their own realm, much less with humankind. When Yahweh placed the man, Adam, within the Garden of Eden and then made the woman from Adam’s own rib he stated that they were to multiply this on earth with other human life.

Yahweh left no question on whether or not mankind could procreate. Not only did Yahweh say that mankind had the ability to create other life, but He commanded that mankind do such. Again, we cannot find one shred of evidence within Yahweh’s inspired word to neither indicate that angels had nor have the ability to procreate other life.


Christian Answers

Matthew 22:30 explains that they do not marry or reproduce like humans, and Hebrews 12:22-23 says that when we get to the heavenly Jerusalem, we will be met by “myriads of angels” and “the spirits of righteous men made perfect”—two separate groups.

Angels are a company or association, not a race descended from a common ancestor (Luke 20:34-36). We are called “sons of men,” but angels are never called “sons of angels.”



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posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 07:28 AM
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Angels can leave their abode. "They kept not their FIRST estate".

This one statement alone proves your claim ridiculous. Angels can take on physical form. Just like they do in Sodom. Just like they do for Elisha and for Jesus. They would 'pick him up'. Your claim is false.

You are also to entertain strangers because you could be entertaining an angel. That is PHYSICAL. They can touch you, and you can touch them. They even eat.

I'm going to go out an a limb and suggest that your response to these will be 'aliens'. It always is when presented with the truth.
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I'm going to go further, since you like Aquinas, and assume that you think the 'sons of God' is in reference to the Sethite line. FALSE again. Sons of God, in the Bible, is only EVER used to refer to angels. That's it. NEVER is it used to speak of man, which is a son of ADAM.
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posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 07:37 AM
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@ jonelius....... but yes... Angels can leave their abode and appear on earth. Eg...Lot, Abraham and Mary interacted with angels in human form. Abraham cooked a meal for his angelic guests... Lots enemies lusted after his angelic guests. Meaning,, they were mistaken to be normal humans.
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posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 07:38 AM
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Joneselius
This one statement alone proves your claim ridiculous.

No. What is ridiculous is thinking mythological stories from thousands upon thousands of years ago are actually literally true.

Angels can take on physical form.

1 - Different species can not procreate together. It's impossible. Scientific fact.
2 - Angels can appear to be physical. But only God can make creatures capable of giving life. Just because an angel seemed human wouldn't mean they actually were. It was just the appearance.
3 - Angels are all created .. none are born. Therefore, even if the appeared in physical form,
that doesn't mean that they'd have procreative capability. Only God can make that happen.
4 - Again .. Angels are holy and, even if they were able to (and they aren't), they would keep sex
within marriage. It's the holy thing to do.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 07:39 AM
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Yes and who created Adam? God did. Adam was Gods creation, we're Adams. It's simple.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 07:41 AM
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Have you read the Bible?

The angels who fell were mixing special together and causing all kinds of horrible things to happen.

The mixed seed created Nephilim which were giants in the land. They also turned to cannibalism, which is when the Earth turned against them and accused them. They even survived the flood, some of them.

This is in the Bible itself....



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 07:41 AM
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Have you read the Bible?

The angels who fell were mixing special together and causing all kinds of horrible things to happen.

The mixed seed created Nephilim which were giants in the land. They also turned to cannibalism, which is when the Earth turned against them and accused them. They even survived the flood, some of them.

This is in the Bible itself....



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 07:42 AM
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So you think they'd all obey Gods word?

So you're trying to tell me that Satan isn't real now?

He's a fallen CHERUB, the most powerful one even. He fell. He was taken in by his own glory. You seem to think they wont do any wrong ever. They do, and they fall.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 07:46 AM
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Joneselius
Have you read the Bible?

Yes. Many times.
Have you read the scientific and theological information in the opening post?

The angels who fell were mixing special together and causing all kinds of horrible things to happen.

Dude ... the point is ... Angels are pure spirit and can not procreate. It's impossible.
GOD made the angels .. angels didn't make baby angels.
When they appear in human form, it's just APPEARANCE. They can't give themselves
procreating abilities. It's impossible.
And different species can't intermix. It's impossible.
The Old Testament mythology about angels and humans procreating is dead wrong.

They even survived the flood, some of them.

The Noahs Ark myth has been debunked. There was no world wide flood 6,000 years ago in which only 3 pair of reproducing humans survived in a boat. DNA evidence proves this to be false.

This is in the Bible itself....

So what? The Old Testament is not a literal book.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 07:49 AM
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Joneselius
So you think they'd all obey Gods word?

- The good ones do.
- The bad ones don't.
- But that's irrelevant because NONE OF THEM can procreate. Not a single one. They aren't made that way. They were all created by God. None have the ability to procreate. They are pure spirits.

So you're trying to tell me that Satan isn't real now?

Evil spirits are real. I've had the unfortunate experience of having been around a handful of them through the years. They are very real. But the fact that they are very real in no way means that they can procreate with humans. They are pure spirit and a separate species. Humans procreating with pure spirits who have no sex organs makes procreation impossible.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 07:49 AM
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FlyersFan

Joneselius
This one statement alone proves your claim ridiculous.

No. What is ridiculous is thinking mythological stories from thousands upon thousands of years ago are actually literally true.

Angels can take on physical form.

1 - Different species can not procreate together. It's impossible. Scientific fact.
2 - Angels can appear to be physical. But only God can make creatures capable of giving life. Just because an angel seemed human wouldn't mean they actually were. It was just the appearance.
3 - Angels are all created .. none are born. Therefore, even if the appeared in physical form,
that doesn't mean that they'd have procreative capability. Only God can make that happen.
4 - Again .. Angels are holy and, even if they were able to (and they aren't), they would keep sex
within marriage. It's the holy thing to do.


1. Link Some can. It's possible. Scientific fact.
2. You're assuming that amongst all of the powerful spirits in existence, who have their own abilities and powers, none of them can manipulate a human body?
4. I guess you haven't read a bible, because according to it a huge portion of the angels turned away from God and were no longer "holy". I don't think all of the ones who left are too concerned with doing what God wants.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 07:59 AM
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trollz
Some can. It's possible. Scientific fact.

They must be familiar species like a donkey and a horse. No interordinal (between different orders) procreation can happen. Organic humans and pure spirit angels are absolutely 'different orders'. That ... and the fact that angels are not made with any procreative abilities, pretty much kills any idea of ANY procreation by angels.

none of them can manipulate a human body?

They aren't capable of procreation. And if they were capable of making humans pregnant simply by thinking them into pregnancy, then they'd be GODS instead of created servants of God ... and the world would be up to it's eyeballs in women being pregnant and not having a human father. But that simply isn't happening. And your bible stories say that the fallen angels got all hot and bothered by the human women, so it doesn't say that the angels 'thought the babies into existence'. It says they got physical with them and made the babies ... which is impossible. Again .. angels are pure spirits.

I guess you haven't read a bible,

I guess you haven't realized that the Old Testament is not a literal history book but is full of myth, folklore, allegories, and stories from uneducated peasants who easily could have gotten aliens and angels confused.

Even 'Bad Angels' that fell couldn't procreate with humans. They are still just 'pure spirit' and don't have the capability to procreate with anyone let alone having an interordinal species baby.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 08:04 AM
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FlyersFan
And if they were capable of making humans pregnant simply by thinking them into pregnancy, then they'd be GODS instead of created servants of God

then they'd be GODS

GODS


What if they ARE?
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posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 08:05 AM
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They made humans selfish among other things, which then physically altered their dna.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 08:08 AM
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Angels are sexless neither male or female. That would preclude that they cannot mate with humans. Also they do not have free will in fact they do not "think" as you know it. They follow orders or do their job. I know that blows the nephilim story and even the Fallen angels story but that's the way it really is.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 08:13 AM
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Fallen angels are not like regular angels.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 08:15 AM
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Angels...God's assassins with one wing always dipped in blood.

I don't think I ever want to meet an angel. As to their nature and abilities - I can only imagine!

Now is it not a fact, that angels have also been associated with dragons and serpents? I mean, Lucifer was an angel and was a serpent right?

CdT



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 08:15 AM
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AfterInfinity
Fallen angels are not like regular angels.

When they fell, they didn't instantly become new species capable of procreation. Do you think God would reward fallen angels by saying ... 'oh boy, you fell from heaven, so now I"m going to change your entire composition and make you able to procreate and make tons more fallen angels' ...

I don't think so.

Fallen angels are still pure spirit. Neither male nor female.
And they dont' make baby fallen angels.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 08:19 AM
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If Angels were Gods and could 'think' humans into being pregnant, then we'd be up to our eyeballs in human women pregnant without human men and there'd be a bunch of fallen angel babies running around the planet. (which isn't happening) But also scripture stated that the fallen angels were 'hot and bothered' by the human women which means they'd have to have sex organs to get all worked up with .. and angels being pure spirits don't have sex organs.

Obviously the story is either folklore .... or it's uneducated peasants confusing aliens with angels. Aliens that are familiar species. But i'm going with folklore ....



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 08:23 AM
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To be clear ... Angels can not procreate with humans
Oh,but we can do that,only the feeling is hundreds of times stronger than for you Humans.

But for this we must find the perfect creature,from which we can extract that feeling amplified hundreds of times.

And yes it is real.






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