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ChaoticOrder
reply to post by combatmaster
Whether they can or not is really beyond the point, the fact is they wont. They're worse than North Korea when it comes to making irrational threats and then not carrying through with those threats. First of all they'd be stupid to attack without having solid evidence that Iran even has a nuclear weapons program. As far as I know there is no such evidence and the UN inspectors have never found any solid evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. The truth imo is that Israel simply wants to destroy Iran's legitimate nuclear power facilities in a move to weaken Iran.
gardener
US delay on Iran via Syria delay, a historic mistake..
crazyewok
reply to post by combatmaster
No I dont want them armed with nukes.
But guess what!
I dont want Isreal armed with them either!
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Patriotsrevenge
gardener
US delay on Iran via Syria delay, a historic mistake..
It will be!!! Iran's former and current Presidents are one and the same. They are building a massive army in Iraq for the Mahdi, The true Anti-Christ. Sadar is the General for now. Guess who gets the first Persian nuke? This is why Obama was in such a rush to get our troops out of Iraq. Most wanted our troops out of that hell whole but it was preventing this army from getting to large. The real sectarian violence was Sunni's and Shiites fighting each other to see witch group the Mahdi comes from. As soon as Iran gets the bomb they are going to hand it to Sadar so Iran will not directly get the blame at first.
If Israel wanted war they would have stuck Iran a long time ago!!!!! This Iranian Gog-Magog shat storm will happen no later than 2015 if they get their way.
Krazysh0t
reply to post by Patriotsrevenge
Care to back any of those claims up or is this all just nonsensical ranting?
second.
yourmaker
I wonder if the Israelis have been brainwashed into fighting for this land on behalf of another entity.
None of this seems reasonable. A mandate to build their "nation" slowly by destroying the others around them on the basis of a holy scripture from God, but all a creation of a separate entity to continue the manipulation of financial extractions into their pockets.
Krazysh0t
combatmaster
You simply do not understand me, do you.
Stop asking for evidence, not all things are presented in pdf format or in digital format..... just go and see for yourself.... you are the one who thinks his country is 'being manipulated' by israel so go and prove your theory.... go to Israel and be there and everywhere else you wanna judge and then go back to your US governemnt and tell them to change their ways.
You are putting words in my mouth. I never said that the US is being manipulated by Israel. What I believe on the matter is irrelevant anyways. Our government hasn't backed any of Israel's warcries yet. Therefore, Israel doesn't have as much influence as you claim that I believe. The American public won't stand for another conflict, we showed as much when Obama tried to send us over to Syria. We did this AFTER a chemical weapons attack (that may or may not have been perpetrated by the government). Do you think it would be any different with Iran, who hasn't even ATTACKED anyone?
Also, I'm not judging anything. I'm just saying that we don't want to go to war with Iran. You keep failing to produce proof then tell me to go travel to Iran or Israel to find it. I'm not going to do that. I'm going to continue to tell my politicians (who are currently agreeing with me, since we haven't attacked Iran yet and have no plans to) not to go to another war in the Middle East.
All you ATS'ers that have been attacking my views on this thread fail to comprehend a simple fact....... your own governement pretty much agrees with my viewpoint, of this situation.
Does it? That's must be why Netanyahu is saying that Israel will attack Iran alone without the US huh?
You dont like it.... then you, not me, are the one who has to present evidence! But i dont think Obama or your government will listen! Since your entire governmental infrastructure is pretty much controlled by Pro-israeli Jews.
Ah I see now! You tell me that I believe that our government is being manipulated by Israel, but now the truth comes out. You are projecting your beliefs onto me.
It would seem that you are becoming a minority in your own country. That is just sad. And yet, you still judge the world!
Well i aint gonna stop you! I dont need to!
Oh I'm becoming a minority on things in this country, but not because of my stance on Israel. The simple fact is that we aren't going to help you attack Iran. And we won't be doing so without some substantial proof to show that it is necessary. You keep telling us that we need to attack Iran, they are crazy, blah blah blah; but then demand that WE do your evidence gathering legwork. Hey you are already in the Middle East, instead of me wasting hundred's of dollars to visit the armpit of the world, how about you go grab a camera, take a few pictures and provide some proof. Just because you can't produce the proof through some website or pdf, doesn't mean that it isn't possible. The onus is STILL on you to back up your position. I'm not going to research your position for you. I already have my information that has developed my opinion, you need to provide your own information to change my mind.
Again this is ATS, deny ignorance, prove your point, don't tell the people you are arguing with to prove your point for you. It doesn't work that way.edit on 17-10-2013 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)
Krazysh0t
reply to post by combatmaster
That's fine. I'd recommend getting out of that country if it is such a hostile place to live. There are many more nice places to live then the desert anyways.
Arnie123
Well, If Israel wants to go on ahead with a pre-emptive strike, let them. I believe they are more than capable of handling themselves.
I have trained with some of these guys, these soldiers are no joke, sure they have only been around for what? a little more than a hundred years?? Point being, they know their stuff, they fight hard and THEY WILL NO LET HISTORY REPEAT ITSELF.
Seriously, IMHO they haven't made any kind of move against Iran is because America tugs on the leash, otherwise they would have decided to go all in.
Sorry guys, but from what I seen, Israel can do it, I honestly don't know why people here suddenly think that Iran is some sort of military power house, they are after all a "Regional Power" meaning they have terrain advantage, I would talk tough, laugh and point too if my house was behind a steel wall, buried beneath rock, concrete and sand...enough to prevent a bunker buster...which for you people who believe that Iran's nuclear weapons program...*cough* OOPS! MY BAD!, *ahem* Nuclear program is buried sufficiently beneath the ground...
I mean IDK, most nuclear facilities are above ground...just saying...
I mean think about it, most of you guys are like, "OMgZZ!!111 isreALis R warmongerds!11 tehy cant beAt irans!",
they critize how small Israel is compared to iran, if I didn't know any better, you hypocrites are bullies just like iran, standing up for the, APPARENTLY, bigger nation and super power military.
Let me get this across your heads. Iranian military can never, will never, in a billion years have a chance against US MILITARY MIGHT, WE OWN THE SKIES, THE AIR, THE GROUND.
How does Israel factor in? we are allies after all and when they go in, WE HAVE TO GO IN and with those kinds of assets, Israel chance's increase a 100 fold.
That's just me tho.
shapur
reply to post by Arnie123
The only option Israel really has against Iran is to use it's nuclear weapons and in that case it will really get wiped out of the map for sure and I am certain Iran would be just one of the many countries participating and or facilitating that inevitable long delayed task...Iran is not just another 13 years old with the sling shot kind of fight that Israel is sort of an expert in...I think the Zionist regime should stop whining,stop intervening in others affairs,grow up and start to treat other nations with respect and dignity they deserve,,that is if they are willing to survive which I kind of doubt at the moment.
Arnie123
shapur
reply to post by Arnie123
The only option Israel really has against Iran is to use it's nuclear weapons and in that case it will really get wiped out of the map for sure and I am certain Iran would be just one of the many countries participating and or facilitating that inevitable long delayed task...Iran is not just another 13 years old with the sling shot kind of fight that Israel is sort of an expert in...I think the Zionist regime should stop whining,stop intervening in others affairs,grow up and start to treat other nations with respect and dignity they deserve,,that is if they are willing to survive which I kind of doubt at the moment.
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I disagree. I COMPLETELY DISAGREE.
Israel's nuclear weapons are not its only options. It has a sizable military force that is highly trained, capable and ready to deal with enemies from all sides, they know they are back against the wall, in the middle of the hornets nets. YOU honestly think that they would still be here if they were lacksy daisy? no.
Given Israel's history, its completely understandable why they are the way they are. They will not be threatened again.
Much like a child who was bullied at a young age, then one day he grew up, he fought and busted the noses of several bigger kids and they knew to stay away, hesitate to watch their bearings around him, HE WILL NOT BE BEATEN UP AGAIN. We see this all the time, all around you. This is fact.
Ultimately its why I give them their credit.
They held their own in the past, now that they got more military muscle and a conditioned mind set, THEY CAN HOLD THERE OWN AGAIN.
I honestly don't care about the conspiracy that surrounds Israel, I just know it's one hella tough ass country, sure numbers speak big on paper, but action speaks louder then words...
ChaoticOrder
reply to post by combatmaster
Whether they can or not is really beyond the point, the fact is they wont. They're worse than North Korea when it comes to making irrational threats and then not carrying through with those threats. First of all they'd be stupid to attack without having solid evidence that Iran even has a nuclear weapons program. As far as I know there is no such evidence and the UN inspectors have never found any solid evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. The truth imo is that Israel simply wants to destroy Iran's legitimate nuclear power facilities in a move to weaken Iran.