America and its last free breath. A Rant by the Kid.

Originally posted by Kidfinger
cryptorsa1001

The only people who dont believe that Bush did not steal the election in 2000 are the people who voted for him. The proof is out there and has been posted so many times that it doesnt matter if I post it or not. You support Bush and are willing to give up your freedoms to be lulled into a false sense of security. You would not believe the proof I post anyway unless it was from FOX news network.

I have changed my mind by other posters on ATS before so don't say I will not believe you. Just show me the evidence that is all. Don't say I am willing to give up my freedoms because I am not willing to do that. I do not believe any one particular news agency. I do not think we get all of the facts due to corporations taking majority controll of the media in america today. I suppose you think Kerry would fix all of your complaints and the roads will be paved with gold? Here again is the link to a web page showing reporters who have been jailed in the past. www.rcfp.org...

[edit on 15-11-2004 by cryptorsa1001]

If you really want to know, sign the petition. If the elections are indeed legit, what can it hurt?

www.moveon.org...

Our last free election was in 1996. Since 2000, we've been in a dictatorship, we just don't seem to have realized it, imho.

And no, there is nothing we can do about it at this point...except for hoping the ride isn't as bumpy as we think it's going to be.

I think it is funny when one side loses an election and the first thing they do is cry foul. Reminds me of the kid that said he would take his ball home if he did not get his way on the football field. Moveon.org was clearly in favor of kerry therefore it is hard to say if their outcome form the servey will be biased and false in order to further their cause.

There is something we can do, but people have to come to the realization that something needs to be done, first.

cryptorsa1001,
Are you saying that an investigation isn't necessary? Even if you don't believe he stole the presidency, wouldn't an invetigation prove that, if so? Why are you so defiant about investigating the election? The truth should be shown, either way.

[edit on 15-11-2004 by Damned]

Originally posted by Cassie Clay

Yes, I'm sure his interest in affecting the election had absolutely *nothing* to do with his demonstrated pattern of trying to shake up governments around the world using extreme financial tactics--tactics which have garnered him countless billions of $$$ (which doesn't hurt, does it?)

Im sure his profiting has something to do with his views, BUT, he was willing to GIVE UP his ENTIRE fortune to keep Bush from being elected.
He donated MILLIONS of dollars to various anti bush orginizations.

George Soros:
*) Does not support Israel
*) Has blamed Jews themselves for Anti-Semitism and has been called an Anti-Semite himself

I dont support Isreal either. The idology of the jewish people there is one of the main factors that keeps peace from being established. For a man who believes in peace, this is no suprise.

*) Opposed the reunification of Germany & tried to effect this with his financial policies
*) His financial maneuverings have resulted in massive unemployment & ruin worldwide...he is credited as the man who "Broke The Bank Of England"

So he is a financial genuise. Whats your point? He "Broke the Bank of England" because he told the truth about the monitary system. Basically, he proved that it was not worth what the Bank said it was. THe Bank was forced to switch monitary systems in prder to stay in business. He exposed a lie by a government and happened to profit from it.

*) He has the obsessive goal of creative a utopian "Open Society" that will "shape" the world (as he sees fit).

Where do you get this from?

Oh by the way, the Nazis started as a *Left-Wing* group, dedicated to Socialism, financed by interested outside parties that wished to effect the government as they saw fit--which sounds very familiar. Make no mistake, it's not just the Right that does this crap.

No, the right isnt always to blame for facist trappings of a country, but in the USA, it IS the RIGHT who are bringing Hitlers visions to fruit yet agian. This is, after all, what this thread is about.

The one thing that I have never been able to figure out is this...If Bush is just some dumb, illiterate, honkey tonk, under-acheiving, Texan who rode on his fathers coat tails, then how come he is treated like he is the mastermind behind the greatest and most evil wolrd takeover in history? I never understood how that was possible???

Originally posted by Damned
If you really want to know, sign the petition. If the elections are indeed legit, what can it hurt?

www.moveon.org...

Just did Maybe something will come of it. Also, what can we do about it? What are your Ideas? If they are too sensitive to post, U2U me. I have some fairly radical views that Im not going to post here.

Gaz,

I completly agree with you. THe last true election we had was in 1996. People may not like who was elected then, but they can not say there was any discrepancy in the election process then.

Originally posted by mpeake
The one thing that I have never been able to figure out is this...If Bush is just some dumb, illiterate, honkey tonk, under-acheiving, Texan who rode on his fathers coat tails, then how come he is treated like he is the mastermind behind the greatest and most evil wolrd takeover in history? I never understood how that was possible???

It doesnt take a genuise to take over the world. Just a Dumba55 with lots of money, lots of military, and lots of advisors.

Originally posted by Kidfinger
Just did

Maybe something will come of it. Also, what can we do about it? What are your Ideas? If they are too sensitive to post, U2U me. I have some fairly radical views that Im not going to post here.

Unfortunately, the only solution is a revolutionary war. It's gone on too long. We can't count on the government to remove their own corruption. The people must come to the conclusion that something must be done, and they themselves must take action. Until that happens, you might as well sit back and watch your country turn fascist police state.

Originally posted by Damned
There is something we can do, but people have to come to the realization that something needs to be done, first.

cryptorsa1001,
Are you saying that an investigation isn't necessary? Even if you don't believe he stole the presidency, wouldn't an invetigation prove that, if so? Why are you so defiant about investigating the election? The truth should be shown, either way.

[edit on 15-11-2004 by Damned]

You ask me if I think an investigation is necessary and then you say I am defiant about having an investigation. nothing like going from an accusation straight to the trial. I never said an investigation should be or not be done. The Democrats are free to have a vote recount in any county in Ohio or any other state if they wish.To my knowledge that has not been done or even asked for. If you want to debate the subject we can but there is no need to attack me. I have not attacked you.

I think it is funny when one side loses an election and the first thing they do is cry foul. Reminds me of the kid that said he would take his ball home if he did not get his way on the football field. Moveon.org was clearly in favor of kerry therefore it is hard to say if their outcome form the servey will be biased and false in order to further their cause.

This appears to be an attack on the seriousness of the accusation. Making light of this is offensive to those who believe they are the victims of foul play in this election. Let me remind you; there can be no recount in any state that uses the new Diebold machines. There's nothing to count. The issue in question is mainly the methods with which votes were systematically thrown out, in order to favor Bush. They seem to have many methods of nullifying votes in which the majority tend to be for the opposing party.


[edit on 15-11-2004 by Damned]

Originally posted by Damned

Unfortunately, the only solution is a revolutionary war. It's gone on too long. We can't count on the government to remove their own corruption. The people must come to the conclusion that something must be done, and they themselves must take action. Until that happens, you might as well sit back and watch your country turn fascist police state.

Sounds like organisation is whats needed to make this happen, not that im condoning this mind you...........

How do you investigate?

There is no paper trail...and the electronic trail is pretty much in the hands of those who threw it. In areas that didn't use electronic voting, the exit polls matched the votes within the acceptable margin. In areas that DID use the electronic voting, they did not match within that margin. One look at Diebold, and one can see there is definitely something fishy in all of this.

I had a feeling we no longer had control of our own nation in 2000. In 2004, that feeling was simply confirmed for me. We are living in dangerous times indeed.

Originally posted by Kidfinger
cryptorsa1001

The only people who dont believe that Bush did not steal the election in 2000 are the people who voted for him. The proof is out there and has been posted so many times that it doesnt matter if I post it or not.
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Kid...this has already been covered many times....Bush did not steal the elections in 2000...the evidence is out there but "it doesn't really matter if I post if or not"....the only ones who believe he did, are conspiracy theorists that believe every wild claim there is in the internet...even if it makes no sense...

Originally posted by Gazrok
How do you investigate?

There is no paper trail...and the electronic trail is pretty much in the hands of those who threw it. In areas that didn't use electronic voting, the exit polls matched the votes within the acceptable margin. In areas that DID use the electronic voting, they did not match within that margin. One look at Diebold, and one can see there is definitely something fishy in all of this.

Here is a thread you would be intrested in. Some of us have put together some interesting facts of this election.

Originally posted by Muaddib
Kid...this has already been covered many times....Bush did not steal the elections in 2000...the evidence is out there but "it doesn't really matter if I post if or not"....the only ones who believe he did, are conspiracy theorists that believe every wild claim there is in the internet...even if it makes no sense...

Do you support Bush? Did you vote for Bush? I would say by the statement above that you are, and I only proved my point in the post you quoted.

Originally posted by Galvatron
As Benjamin Franklin once said. Those willing to give up their freedoms for security deserve neither freedom or security.

We have given up our freedoms for security. Therefore we deserve neither.
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Actually that would be true in the case of what the Spaniards voters did.... They made a choice, which the terrorists agreed with themost, in order for the Spaniards to "feel safe."

Most of the people asking for the war of terror to end, want this because it seems they believe that if we stop hunting terrorists, then they won't attack us anymore....

The quote by Benjamin Franklin, applies in this case as much or more than what you are trying to imply Galvatron.

Originally posted by Gazrok
How do you investigate?

There is no paper trail....

That's not the only method they used to steal the election. Many votes were thrown out, as in the last election. People were also turned away from the polls. Votes were sorted and voided according to voting tendencies. The black vote, being filtered the most, is what will probably be the easiest thing to investigate. They're smart enough to make the black votes about 50%, so it doesn't appear to be so discriminating. I'm sure there is plenty of evidence of this, but not sure it will matter. It didn't last time, did it? The biggest hurdle seems to be getting people to believe that there's even a reason to investigate.

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Originally posted by Kidfinger

This is a holocost survivor that was willin togive up his entire billion dollar fortune to keep Bush from getting re-elected. If a holocost survivor is saying these things, then I would assume that my view of America becoming a facist state under the rule of Bush, is not that far off the mark.

By the way, BIG THANKS to GoreGrinder

He knows what for

Pfft....you know.... there are people from many dictatorships actually still coming to the States, trying to leave... There are online services in which Russian women want to leave Russia by marrying men in the West, mostly fomr the US....i lived under a communist dictatorship and still have family there, and none of us believe what you said above, or what that "holocaust" survivor is saying..... That should be proof that this is all a lie.....