So the Banksters and Globalists WON in Australia.

bellagirl
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can i suggest also that you have a read through this thread. you have not even been here a week and you have taken this thread to a low level. a good thread is one where you can express your opinion, but also respect the opinions of others.

They aren't plans they are policies. Can't attack the argument so you attack my presence instead? Yes, longevity on this site breeds much wisdom :/ Maybe you've been here so long you truly think the entire world exists to serve petty interests of the over privileged and over indulged- it doesn't.

Respect you in the absence of any forthcoming respect for me by you? No, sorry you dont get freebies from me. It's ok though, I am used to this kind of double faced attitude and have thicker skin than you think. I'm not sure what planet you come from, but in the real world bella, when someone disrespects you and calls you a nutjob you either embrace it or stand up to the bully with some real facts. All I have done above in my posts, is do both; is to spell out the real world facts of life under Tony for too many. If that got to you, well, look within not at me to address your conscience. You have slyly belittled me several times here and I have responded fairly and you have yet to refute a single argument written or contest a single reality presented as to the consequences of your 'proud voting stance' outside of one straw man argument.

If you are going to sit here and rejoice as hands are cut off the poor, then you have to expect that those you'd desire to make powerless and subservient to you, are going to say no, they are going to fight back and show you the mirror and most, won't be as polite as I am in doing it. If that view in the mirror we hold up to you is ugly, well, its only you who can change it.

Having never had or required such sums to meet basic needs or raise my child decently and properly, I personally cannot fathom why a woman earning 50K+ would even NEED a spare 75 K for 6 months, except to indulge her own wants at the expense of those who earn or receive less than 13K and are expected to do the exact same job.
This type of middle class welfare, especially when viewed in combination with corporate welfare this country plays out to the tunes of billions each year, only ensures that the status quo remains and that the margin between poverty and wealth is kept artificiality separated and grows; that people are placed where government needs them to be to capitalize on their closeted prejudices and fears. Whoever gets it, 75K is 6 years of newstart payments handed out in one bulk payment, taken from people who need its aid desperately, given to people who don't need it. It's not a need, it's a 'want', and now you have it. Congratulations. Enjoy.

You don't even seem to see how this kind of policy is a product of targeted social engineering, designed to undermine what little social cohesion there is and breed this type of resentment between social classes - classes that refer ONLY to economic status, but seem to have now become an easy go to for bigots and others who need to bash down people who are not like them in order to feel better about how much they rip off the system too.
You sit there and accept it's perfectly alright to do for yourself, what you accuse us of doing, and won't accept any commentary that suggest otherwise. Ok. Your choice. Not my problem any more. I have just been informed I have a place to go to, but now instead of the 'burden' of paying out 12K to keep me in my home and relatively self sufficient, "society" will now have to fork out over 60K p/a to keep me in a hospital bed. Kudos. Don't cry foul to me, this is a direct consequence of installing this government and not thinking of wider effect before voting.
I dont want to leave my home or my child. I have been presented with little choice between that hospice and sleeping on the street though and if you expect me to choose the latter, just to be magnanimous to a society that has been nothing but a bully all its life to us, you, would be mistaken.

bellagirl
reply to post by hariahinoz

 

now if you will excuse me....im off to pat the dog...who you also hate then i really must cancel that tummy tuck, nails and hairdo so i can get my sorry ass back to work to support you.

Thats not far from the truth, but you had your tummy tuck already by a Sydney surgeon.

You need to stop cutting people down, I hope one day that someone in your family is mis-fortunate.

reply to post by sir_slide


Thank god Abbott got in. At least he realises that the 2 sides in Syria are "baddies" and we shouldn't rush in to support a strike in Syria. That crazy Rudd was all for a war against the Syrians just so he could strut the world stage and be important. Thank god wiser heads have prevailed so far!

sir_slide
reply to post by ChaoticOrder

 

No one likes tony abbott. Its a shame people are more concerned with their bank balance than human rights. its criminal.

he won in a landslide... which says majority do like him.

I for one, do not. But I don't think Abbott is controlled as much as Gillard was.

Outsourcing will be Abbott biggest injection to this country. Outsource for profit!

reply to post by Agit8dChop


Fact is, I'm quite unhappy that Abbott got in. It was indeed a dark day for Australia.

My biggest issue with Abbott is his "only spend what you have" mentality. One of the things he said about Labor (everyone note the spelling. "Labour" means work. Labor is the party who lost the election), is that they always return us to debt. This time around, Labor had very little choice. John Howard sold off a lot of profitable government assets to return us to surplus, and so, when Labor took over, we were making a lot less money. Somehow, Labor persevered, and didn't let everything fall in a heap. They then started borrowing money to upgrade and improve infrastructure, so it wasn't that they were "running us into debt", they were making long-term investments for the country.
Tony's plan works as though it's a single person. A person on their own shouldn't spend money they don't have, it gets tricky to manage. Small business already spends money they don't have, that's how accounts work. You order something, generally on a fixed term invoice, and then pay it off. Countries are meant to do this, so that all countries may advance. Abbott has, on many occasions stated that this is a terrible way to run a country.

I hope he can manage it, because that would be spectacular. He'll have to dump Joe Hockey from the team if he's going to get anywhere though. Also, point of interest, Australia got through the GFC perfectly fine, and we're STILL a AAA rated economy. We attained that, and maintained that, under a Labor government.

As I said, I'm not pleased with the Liberals being in, and I don't believe that they are going to be the best thing for this country. They'll certainly give it a try though. So to all you ALP supporters, worst case is, if everything goes to #, we can vote these guys out in 3 years. To all the Liberal supporters out there, you got rid of a government who, infighting aside, was doing a pretty decent job. I hope you guys haven't made a mistake.
I do however ask of both sides, please read up on things before you have a whinge. Everyone has been fine to jump on the bandwagon for either side, but there's very little substance in a lot of what's being said.


Most of all, everyone should smile. We're all still alive. They haven't taken that from us

Also, another point of interest.. Labor BEAT the Liberals. Australian Labor Party received more votes than the Liberal party. Now, interestingly enough, Mr Abbott was talking about how Labor might be underhanded and ally with the Greens (which they haven't). The only reason that Mr Abbott is the new PM is because of the National Party (which he is not a member of, but his party have an alliance with). Just so everyone is clear, Technically, Rudd beat Abbott. Just saying.

reply to post by hariahinoz

in your reply you said the following:

"Having never had or required such sums to meet basic needs or raise my child decently and properly, I personally cannot fathom why a woman earning 50K+ would even NEED a spare 75 K for 6 months, except to indulge her own wants at the expense of those who earn or receive less than 13K and are expected to do the exact same job."

Not everywomen gets 75k for 6 months for having a baby. you simply get the exact wage you were getting for 6 months. thats it plain and simple.

not once have i ever mentioned who i voted for. because i simply defended the morally cruel things you were saying about the new pm that are simply untrue and predicting what he would do and calling it facts, i felt the need to present the other side of the story.

you also judged me. in your opinions because i had the hide to defend the liberal party im a middle income tummy tucking, hair and nail bitch who wouldnt spit on you if you if you were on fire. let me say you couldnt be further from the truth in your character judgement.

this is the last reply to you two as our comments to each other are now becoming toxic.

bellagirl
reply to post by hariahinoz

 

in your reply you said the following:

"Having never had or required such sums to meet basic needs or raise my child decently and properly, I personally cannot fathom why a woman earning 50K+ would even NEED a spare 75 K for 6 months, except to indulge her own wants at the expense of those who earn or receive less than 13K and are expected to do the exact same job."

Not everywomen gets 75k for 6 months for having a baby. you simply get the exact wage you were getting for 6 months. thats it plain and simple.

not once have i ever mentioned who i voted for. because i simply defended the morally cruel things you were saying about the new pm that are simply untrue and predicting what he would do and calling it facts, i felt the need to present the other side of the story.

you also judged me. in your opinions because i had the hide to defend the liberal party im a middle income tummy tucking, hair and nail bitch who wouldnt spit on you if you if you were on fire. let me say you couldnt be further from the truth in your character judgement.

this is the last reply to you two as our comments to each other are now becoming toxic.

I am so sorry we aren't all cold hearted humans and we can't be like you belle.
But you just think because you are middle class you are better than the rest of people. You have have no idea about people being dealt bad cards. These people accidentally ended up into lower class bracket, but it appears to me that you know best, because you can't fathom the people who can't afford much.
you seem to have no empathy for mis-fortunate people, little do you understand peoples circumstances.
I have seen people loosing their parents at young age, Seen people end up jobless, seen industries move off-shore. Seeing people struggle looking for work here is bad.

At the end of the day Tony Abbott is a globalists he doesn't care about long time investments, he could be building this NBN FTTP(fiber to the premises) laying it out with more workers and quality control personal.
In this creating more jobs, getting more people into the work force and then seeing a return on it faster.

reply to post by amraks


can you tell me where i mentioned if i was or wasnt middle class ?????

or is just because i mentioned i have a job...???

or is it just because you assumed like everything else you have assumed about me ???

amraks

bellagirl
reply to post by hariahinoz

 

in your reply you said the following:

"Having never had or required such sums to meet basic needs or raise my child decently and properly, I personally cannot fathom why a woman earning 50K+ would even NEED a spare 75 K for 6 months, except to indulge her own wants at the expense of those who earn or receive less than 13K and are expected to do the exact same job."

Not everywomen gets 75k for 6 months for having a baby. you simply get the exact wage you were getting for 6 months. thats it plain and simple.

not once have i ever mentioned who i voted for. because i simply defended the morally cruel things you were saying about the new pm that are simply untrue and predicting what he would do and calling it facts, i felt the need to present the other side of the story.

you also judged me. in your opinions because i had the hide to defend the liberal party im a middle income tummy tucking, hair and nail bitch who wouldnt spit on you if you if you were on fire. let me say you couldnt be further from the truth in your character judgement.

this is the last reply to you two as our comments to each other are now becoming toxic.

I am so sorry we aren't all cold hearted humans and we can't be like you belle.
But you just think because you are middle class you are better than the rest of people. You have have no idea about people being dealt bad cards. These people accidentally ended up into lower class bracket, but it appears to me that you know best, because you can't fathom the people who can't afford much.
you seem to have no empathy for mis-fortunate people, little do you understand peoples circumstances.
I have seen people loosing their parents at young age, Seen people end up jobless, seen industries move off-shore. Seeing people struggle looking for work here is bad.

At the end of the day Tony Abbott is a globalists he doesn't care about long time investments, he could be building this NBN FTTP(fiber to the premises) laying it out with more workers and quality control personal.
In this creating more jobs, getting more people into the work force and then seeing a return on it faster.

Why is belle cold hearted and how did you come to that conclusion
Its amusing that some people who cant provide an argument that stands up to scrutiny resort to belittling people , Ive been dealt plenty of bad cards mate and never thought to blame people because they are doing better,
Both of the major parties are globalists and at the end of the day Socialism dosnt work , people need to learn to take care of themselves and the govt needs to stay out of our lives

I've never understood how people can be so polarized toward one party or the other as if they'd be shunned in their family if they dared to be different something akin to the Holden/Ford rivalry or *gasp* barracking for the wrong footy team. The difference between Labor & Liberal has been shrinking for decades to the point where they're almost exactly the same in the middle area between socialism and capitalism so what it comes down to (for me) is who'll be the best managers overall and, this time round, I believe the public majority chose the best managers. The outgoing team really didn't set much of a high standard after all.

Pilgrum
I've never understood how people can be so polarized toward one party or the other as if they'd be shunned in their family if they dared to be different something akin to the Holden/Ford rivalry or *gasp* barracking for the wrong footy team. The difference between Labor & Liberal has been shrinking for decades to the point where they're almost exactly the same in the middle area between socialism and capitalism so what it comes down to (for me) is who'll be the best managers overall and, this time round, I believe the public majority chose the best managers. The outgoing team really didn't set much of a high standard after all.

nicely put. i think for years the difference has been shrinking. i remember growing up it was like nan and pop voted labor, we vote labor so now your old enough...just vote labor.

i think you hit the nail on the head with your analysis. i think the fact the majority these days are swinging voters gives no comfort to either side.

reply to post by bellagirl


I remember my dads words to me when I had to vote the first time, son this is a labour house and if you want to live in it you have to vote labour. That was about 30 years ago, my daughter who is 18 had to vote for the first time in this election and asked me who to vote for. I told her to do some reading learn about the policies of the candidates and make your own decision.
For me it was better the devil I know, than the scary devil in budgie smugglers.
Labour lost the election, the Libs didn't win it. I dont think theres as much between the politics of Labour and Liberal as there once was. One thing the Libs will do, is they will tax us to build up a surplus and many people will lose their jobs and homes, but the good thing is,the Country will be in surplus again. Yay.

bellagirl
reply to post by amraks

 

can you tell me where i mentioned if i was or wasnt middle class ?????

or is just because i mentioned i have a job...???

or is it just because you assumed like everything else you have assumed about me ???

I assumed you was middle class because of the tummy tuck job.

Can i just debunk some myths about labor that people are obviously repeating from the murdoch press.

myth 1: labor bad at economics

mostly false, during the global financial crisis labor stoped major job loss with un-employment of 5.5 percent, stoped bankruptcy faced by other countries, kept our AAA credit ratting and extremely low interest rates of 2.5 percent.

as per

www.aljazeera.com...
www.smh.com.au...

The truth is the liberals are only good enough at the economy because they keep cutting every service possible and by selling assetts and public property by privatising, giving a boost to their budget, basicaly selling australia to the highest bidder like the traitors they are to our own country.
keep an eye out for announcements on privatising of assets closely soon.

myth 2:
carbon tax rose electricity prices dramatically.

again false, if u remember, prices of electricity went up years before the carbon tax by about 50-60%, the nsw liberal state government allowed the price rises to pay for power pole upgrades.

www.smh.com.au...

in truth tony abbot thought the carbon tax was a good idea but then backtracked recently to simply be populist as seen here.
www.youtube.com...

cheers,
chris

Thanks thenaturalist

This all keeps getting repeated but it don't make sense to these people.

ABC, SBS will be sold under the Coalition later on down the track.
Say good bye and say welcome to more fuzz on the news.

The Liberal Party will debate whether the ABC and SBS infrastructure should be sold off as part of a Coalition government's bid to cut debt. The motion cites the fact the ABC and SBS compete with "a wide range of private media outlets" and that public ownership is counter to Coalition policy.

www.theaustralian.com.au...

amraks

bellagirl
reply to post by amraks

 

can you tell me where i mentioned if i was or wasnt middle class ?????

or is just because i mentioned i have a job...???

or is it just because you assumed like everything else you have assumed about me ???

I assumed you was middle class because of the tummy tuck job.

never had one...never said i had one....and your just a horrible person.

bellagirl

amraks

bellagirl
reply to post by amraks

 

can you tell me where i mentioned if i was or wasnt middle class ?????

or is just because i mentioned i have a job...???

or is it just because you assumed like everything else you have assumed about me ???

I assumed you was middle class because of the tummy tuck job.

never had one...never said i had one....and your just a horrible person.

kettle black again yet again. I am not a horrible person at least I have compassion for the not so well off people of Australia.
You show none, you shun these people off like they are not worthy of breathing oxygen.
You said you had a tummy tuck job and you get your nails done, make up your mind.

reply to post by Bone75

I'm confused. Doesn't this totally contradict the commonly accepted agenda of the globalists? I always thought their plan was to control the population with more government and more welfare, not less.

Hegelian Dialectic/False/Left v Right Political Paradigm you don't know what that is then you should research asap especially if you want brownie points for posting on ats. Point is it makes perfect sense to be critical of corporate feudalists whom right wing libertarians(not that aussie right wingers would know anything) are the first to admit are not real capitalists.
Apart form that all i can say is that we don't all want the same things on ats i doubt any posters ever have its an illusion this us v them in the US conspiracy World because frankly most are not the sharpest tools in the shed.