Fast-food walkout U.S. workers strike in several cities to call attention to low wages.

reply to post by alpha888

They might get paid more an hour
but they will have more money taken from them with lost welfare benefits.

Isn't THIS ^^^^ the whole point and purpose of finding a job and going to work? To get off benefits and actually EARN A LIVING?

You moan if they sit at home on benefits saying they're bone idle spongers who should go to work, or starve.
They get a job and go to work, and now that isn't good enough. So now they have to get an education and get a BETTER job, or starve. It isn't good enough they're already working.

Jump through one hoop, and they put another in your way.

When people go to work they should be paid enough to live on and get off benefits. Work is work. More skilled get a better life because they're cleverer and therefore deserve it. Less skilled or unskilled should still be able to live above poverty levels, they deserve it because they work. They'll still be the lowest paid workers, but they'll be off benefits.

It's those who won't go to work, or choose not to work, who deserve to starve, not working people.

I really don't know what's wrong with you people. Good grief.

reply to post by Phage


cant find the exact post from last night.. but I am precisely stating that unskilled and skilled should be paid the same.

everyone needs a vehicle, food, tools, etc to get their job done. And kids, house, etc.

Morale, Camaraderie, and Social Cohesion are better in the military (usmc for me, oohrah) than typical civilian life.
the reason for this is below.

All trades/MOS are paid the SAME, live in the SAME level quarters (or bah/baq), eat the SAME food (chow hall/seprats), etc.

inside of each MOS, the rank/promotion is independent. Some fields due to supply/demand promote at lower point levels.. this works like the tides of an ocean always balancing out for the most part.

doesn't matter of you are a little PFC in: air traffic control, supply (warehouse), S-1 (admin), weather (meteorology), avionics, infantry, helo mech, etc..

This is how it should be..

reply to post by Phage

What part of "not qualify" don't you get? With a mortgage payment that is 35% of your gross income you will not qualify for a mortgage.

got a link for that ?
'mortgages' weren't as popular then as they are now.
many homes were "by owner" sales, some lease options and many were sold for CASH ... or owner terms, no banks necessary.

and for those who did get a mortgage, 'qualifying' wasn't as difficult with 30% down, either.

now, forward 40yrs ... those same PAID OFF homes are being snatched by the taxman, from those same 'minimum wage earners', only generations later.
Why ???

ETA -- let's try not to forget that the first purchase of a used car, today ... is often, greater than (in dollars) a 2 bedroom home, back then.

reply to post by HanzHenry


What you described was functional socialism.

It doesn't really have to be a bad thing.

Originally posted by spartacus699

Originally posted by doobydoll

Originally posted by spartacus699
Why not at the end of the day just ask the manager if you can take the excess food home that normally gets thrown out. In most cases they'd let you. So you take it home and freeze it. That takes care of the food bill for the family. A huge savings. Just eat fast food non stop 24/7/365! Now that's what I call a postive lifestyle choice that will save you time, money, and have you eating good everyday!

I used to work at Dominos.

At the end of the shift there would sometimes be pizza's which had been sent back for one reason or another. There was nothing wrong with them, just missing an ingredient a customer ordered and things like that. But the store manager was instructed by the franchisee to throw them in the bin and no-one was to take any home.

So in the bin they went

That's where learning modern survival skills like dumpster diving comes in handy. You dive right in there and eat the sheat out of em dumpster

Except the bins were locked inside a secure yard at all times. Anyone caught taking from bins could/would be charged with theft.

Can't have hungry starving folk eating free food.

Originally posted by filledcup
reply to post by Phage

 

here's another article from forbes which also shares the viewpoint.

amazing

www.forbes.com...

Thanks for sharing the article and it makes sense.
There are many business that operate well above cost but at or below competitive prices.

Companies tend to maximize their profits to the maximum with what they can get away with but still be competitive with their competition.

It does not matter what their production costs (labor, materials etc) are but what the competition is selling for. They could be operating just above cost or well above it.

There are many examples that one can point to, to show this is the case.

Many Gas Stations out in the middle of nowhere charge outrageous prices for fuel but the fuel shipment costs the same. They can get away with it because they are the only business there.

Many Walmarts have dropped their prices so low where they have caused other business to shutdown, and once they are the only game in town, their prices go up.

Many Companies in the USA do business with China where they pay a pittance in labor but charge high prices for low quality substandard products and reap the profits from it.

If McDonalds could charge more for their products and get away with it, why aren't they?
Because of Competition.


Yes, if the workers at McDonalds won, more pressure would be put on other Fast Food Establishments to raise their wages, the truck drivers that bring in the stuff would want more, the Electricians would want more and so. But that is taking away from the shareholders and top .1% and they will not allow that to happen.


The income inequality between the top .1% and the consumer and producing class is out of sync and these actions being taken are part of the much needed market correction. It would be a beginning where a lot of money would shift into the consumer class and out of the hands of the casino gamblers.


You can tell who the true Fascists are in our midst though out of this and many other fiasco's.

The strikers are part of the market correction mechanisms we have in this country, just as protestors are the freedom fighters for Free Speech and the fascists want to shut them all down.

They have no problem using $$$Freedom of Speech$$$ to buy politicians though.
They have no problem using our government to control the markets to their whim, but absolutely hate the idea that We the People should have any power over the markets like they do.

Before someone says, why doesn't one person offer a McDonalds Worker a tip if you think they deserve more?

My answer would be, We The People uniting under a cause gives it more power.

If that worked, Why don't companies adjust their own market policies rather than going to the government with rules and regulations to adjust the markets to their liking?

reply to post by filledcup

once they learn to work the laws of supply and demand.. they can shaft mcd's right up the anal the same way mcd's has been shafting them. they can be calculated and cold.. refuse utterly anything that is substandard. leave the establishment bare of workers. forcing the company to provide competitive wages.

THIS ^^^^^ is exactly why decades of efforts to unionize have been thwarted over and over again.

working supply & demand when you are the 'supply' is exactly how the UNIONS get what they do. and, this is why the broom & shovel operators get the 'big bucks' for -0- skill set.

when Obama first came out with his "shovel ready jobs" tripe, i anticipated then that the general labor pool was screwed beyond repair.

reply to post by HanzHenry


Have you ever read the "Book" Starship Troopers? Nothing like the movie, anyway civilization is modeled somewhat after the military in fact the only way to be considered a citizen along with the rights to vote or run for office is if you had served in the military earlier in life. You had to earn your rights. Secound class citizens still have rights they just were not allowed to participate in government affairs. Things came about that way because veterans were fed up with government after a series of wars started by those in power who had never done anything except bicker in congress (sound familiar) then the government abandoned returning vets cut bennifits even used military against them when they protested. (after WW2 something Gerry similar happened like that except in the book that started a revolution where the government was ousted) the book was written during that time or shortly there after.

Well long story short your idea is ferry similar to how society was set up in that book. If you get a chance you should read it. Like I said nothing like the movie no bugs to fight.

reply to post by jacobe001

You can tell who the true Fascists are in our midst though out of this and many other fiasco's.

Do you know what the word means?

reply to post by Grimpachi


I like the sound of that book. The movies are too lame.


It would be best method imho, after living thru numerous structures.

. Give the most, get the most, cowards will not be those greedy elites at the top any longer.


1st class citizen = able bodied whom choose to put their life on the line for society
2nd class citizen = 'draft dodger' types. Those with not ONE soldier in 3 generations of family

these types do not determine treatment everywhere. Just for 'positions' in 'lines'.

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by filledcup

 

once they learn to work the laws of supply and demand.. they can shaft mcd's right up the anal the same way mcd's has been shafting them. they can be calculated and cold.. refuse utterly anything that is substandard. leave the establishment bare of workers. forcing the company to provide competitive wages.

THIS ^^^^^ is exactly why decades of efforts to unionize have been thwarted over and over again.

working supply & demand when you are the 'supply' is exactly how the UNIONS get what they do. and, this is why the broom & shovel operators get the 'big bucks' for -0- skill set.

when Obama first came out with his "shovel ready jobs" tripe, i anticipated then that the general labor pool was screwed beyond repair.

without the ability to keep onwers from bringing in scabs there would never of been ANY unions.

Picket lines were not just places to hangout holding a sign and chanting. Picket Lines were there to KEEP SCABS OUT.

now scabs had families to feed too.. BUT..

immigrants are modern day scabs.. People haven't been able to keep pace over last 30years due to supply/demand of cheap desperate impoverished immigrants labor.. Who are in essence ------>SCABS.

America is one company and we can't effectively pull off a strike UNTIL we KEEP SCABS OUT of those JOBS we are striking over.

in a NUTSHELL -----------> now I must be racist. .

reply to post by Phage


You can use any term you like Phage.
My point is that there are a small number evil people running things that want to have all the power for themselves when it comes to our domestic and foreign economic and monetary polices and that the rest, "We The People" should have no power at all when it comes to these things.

reply to post by HanzHenry


You should pick it up it is a short read I manged to read it one day on guard duty for an ASP.

I think the author is Robert A Heinland ( not sure I spelled it correctly) there were a bunch of other books by him that had some other great concepts. He may have written them after WW1 I am not sure.

One of the other things that was emphasized was because everyone that held a position in government had at one time seved in the military uneeded conflicts were not waged war was a last resort they had been in the soldiers boots at one time. Seemed like solid reasoning to me. Of course there are always idiots and exceptions to the rule just like in real life.

reply to post by Grimpachi

Heinlein.
A good book (not his best). He caught a lot of flack for it.
The movie was crap.

reply to post by Beartracker16


Common hard working people are starting to wake up..............OH......OH.



I have been saying this for the past 6 months in the next 2 years anyone making under 12 dollars an hour will be screwed by inflation. The cost of everything will continue to rise until people can not eat and find cheap shelter anymore. This is a fact. It might take a little longer then 2 years but mark my words it will happen in the future.



And to everyone making above that 12 dollar mark what do you think will happen when these people can no longer feed themselves? We have reached the point of no return and now it is just a waiting game.

reply to post by Phage

What you are missing is the point of that conversation. The claim is that someone working for minimum wage in 1955 could own a house, go to college, and have some extra

i've already shown that it was done and in more ways than one.
what's your point now ?

I'm not claiming that. I'm saying that a minimum wage job put one below the poverty line in 1955.

and per links provided, that isn't true.
btw, what 'poverty line' in 1955 ??
such a thing wasn't even established until mid-1963.
link
or this one

The economy was booming, wasn't it?

NO, it was on a steady downturn
(as provided in previous links you clearly didn't bother to read)

same souce as provided previously, maybe you ought to read it ?
well heck, here's another one
who were the top 5 employers in 1955 ??
who are the top employers of 2013 ??

minimum wage in 1955 was $1 and even at that, annually ($2080) it was above the presumed 'poverty line' for a single person ($1500).

1964
In January 1964, when the War on Poverty was announced, President Johnson's Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) set a poverty line of $3,000 for families and $1,500 for unrelated individuals; this remained the quasi-official U.S. poverty line for a little over a year.

again, this 'poverty line' was a decade AFTER the period you're discussing so what makes any of you think that the poverty line was higher then OR that earning minimum wage put one below the 'poverty line' in 1955 ??

reply to post by Phage

Really? That seems pretty high.

it is, but just a wee bit.
at $15/hr for a normal 40hr wk x 52 wks = $31,200

Do you have a source for that?

sure do.
sourc e
let's go straight to the head of the class, shall we ??
Congress -- for the decade 1955 - 1965
$22,500

need more ??
let's look at a one of the top 5 companies, shall we ?

Chrysler - 1920
Chrysler earned an annual salary of $1 million, which was unheard of at the time.

that's way above $15/hr and 35 yrs earlier.

reply to post by Honor93

i've already shown that it was done and in more ways than one.
what's your point now ?

No. You haven't. Aazadan has been trying to show how it could have been done.

and per links provided, that isn't true.
btw, what 'poverty line' in 1955 ??
such a thing wasn't even established until mid-1963.

Right. No official poverty line. A link posted earlier, an article from 1959 which uses the figure $3,000 for the poverty line:
www.commentarymagazine.com...
Since the median income at that time was $4,418, a figure 32% below that makes sense.

NO, it was on a steady downturn

No. Median incomes:
1950: 3,319
1955: 4,418 +25%
1960: 5,620 +21%
1965: 6,957 +19%

In fixed 1993 dollars:
1950: 19,900
1955: 23,821 +16%
1960: 27,435 +13%
1965: 31,914 +14%

GDP (billions):
1950: 1418.5
1960: 1970.8

nces.ed.gov...
www.bls.gov...

who were the top 5 employers in 1955 ??
who are the top employers of 2013 ??

Still don't see anything about management getting $15/hr.

minimum wage in 1955 was $1 and even at that, annually ($2080) it was above the presumed 'poverty line' for a single person ($1500).

But we're talking about supporting a family.
Would you like to contribute to the discussion on budgeting that $2,080 so that one would be able to afford a house, college, and having something left over?

reply to post by Honor93

Sorry. I guess I should have asked for a more precise definition of "management".

Congress isn't "management" and $22,500 is not $31,200.
Chrysler...yes, an unheard of salary. But he was president of the company, that's more of an executive position.


Here's a first hand account of a more rational managerial pay rate, $5.77/hr

By the 1960's, my salary was $900.00 per month, the average salary then was half that amount or less. As a manager of nearly 200 people, my salary increased to $1000 a month in 1965, it put me on top of the world

answers.yahoo.com...

reply to post by Phage

whatever, i did and i lived it so all the calculations in the world aren't gonna change it.
nor are your refutations of nonsense.

a magazine ????
Phage ... you know better.
i linked the govt sources, you know, that ones that count.

besides, prior to 1955, the 'poverty line' was estimated by FOOD CONSUMPTION not income earned

oh, so now you're arguing the median FAMILY income whereas this thread is discussing 'individual' incomes ... moving the goal posts again, are ya ??
nces.ed.gov...

But we're talking about supporting a family.
Would you like to contribute to the discussion on budgeting that $2,080 so that one would be able to afford a house, college, and having something left over?

actually, you keep vascilating between individual and family ... it does make a difference.

families are not striking, individuals are.
and individuals are the same ones who bought houses, cars and college educations, then and now.

anyone who was willing to work within a budget, did it.
funny that our government can't seem to establish one let alone work within it, huh ?