Why we COULD repel an alien invasion

reply to post by James1982


I doubt that any highly advanced alien civilization would want to come here and invade us in the classic sense. Bomb the crap out of us or infect us, sure, but not land and invade.

Imagine trying to keep billions of mad and primitive ape-people in check. Not gonna work no matter how far ahead they are in technology,

ok back to my premise.

Historically if you look at the phenom you'll see a pattern.
As we advanced the imagery of their tech advanced. They've gone from gods and demon imagery to et imagery. We got stealth tech, then all of a sudden their craft began cloaking. Hmmmmm??

They have definate weaknesses we overlook by automatically assuming their tech is super advanced, when in reality it's more like they are advanced in understanding how our physical world works. Nothing more.
They let our brains fill in the gaps for them.

We depend on our eyes far too much and this is exploited as well. By their own behavior the only approaching us in a semi-consious state begs the question of their fear and physical frailty. Remember as our physical sciences advanced, all of a sudden within the abduction events all of a sudden the et's began alleged genetic experimentation.

Within this report I found some interesting weaknesses. The ET's failed to adjust this person's boat GPS and this paragraph....
QUOTE-
In David M. Jacobs’, book The Threat, I found a new term, “blank.” The alien tells the abductee that they will insert a blank in their minds. I wondered if this was something like erasing a file. All that is erased is the name of the file. When recovering these I found that the first letter had been replaced with a question mark. I realized that if I changed the name by removing one letter or inserting a space that all the shortcuts and other means of locating the file would be of no use. The only way I could find the file would be to either search or find it in the folder. It would seem then all they have to do is insert a blank space in the path to the memory and then replace it at the next abduction. This encourages me to try again to recover the memories.

www.ufocasebook.com...

By doing something this simple, it's not that ET's have mastered altering space & time, but have managed to interrupt the formation of how humans form & recall actual events in our memories.

I'd call that a major weakness on their part!!

So to answer the op again....yes....we can kick their butts quite soundly!!
Only it won't take tech.

I honestly believe if aliens ever invaded us and kill us then we would be like 7 billion tiny bugs getting smeared across a windscreen from the windscreen wiper.

The technology we are looking at making in the future of just the next 100 years. They are talking about technological singularity events, real artificial intelligence, uploading human consciousness into machines, quantum computers everywhere, nanobots along with it all being interconnected. Hell DARPA is making Cheetah bots to hunt down people at the moment.

Have an alien ship come into the atmosphere and launch billions of these micro drones as small as mosquito's containing poison...

We have no chance unless they are like those aliens from Battle of Los Angeles.

Originally posted by tanka418
reply to post by peacefulpete

 

Why is it that you Terrestrials continue to undervalue yourselves and over value ET?

I mean you liken yourselves to ants, and make ET some kind of god, and that is just simply wrong.

Extraterrestrials are not more "advanced" in any respect. Yeah, they might have a trick or two that you don't think that Terrestrials have, but, guess what!!!?!!

ET ain't got anything over you! PERIOD!!!

ET does not have advanced technology, at least not any more advanced than Earth already has. You all think that the ability to travel between stars is something special. its not. You have had that technology for at least 10 years

So, could y'all please stop putting yourselves down, belittling yourselves at every turn is not a healthy thing. And stop elevating ET to the status of a demi-god; he ain't nothin' but a hound dog! And seriously not worth all the BS you attribute to him.

YOU SERIOUSLY NEED TO WAKE UP TO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE ET's EQUAL!

In all respects.

I don't really understand how you are saying that humans and ET's are equal.

You DON'T think their technology is much more advanced than ours? Please explain.

Also, OP is asking about weaponry I believe, and don't people think our weapons are primitive? Think of our handguns and revolvers firing physical metal bullets. Isn't this primitive weaponry? We are even replacing some guns with tasers (re: police) so even our own weapons have that new higher-tech weapon replacing old primitive guns. Our own weapons tech is always evolving and advancing.

So why would their weapons tech be the same as ours? Why would they not be much more advanced in all ways?

Serious questions and please explain because now I'm curious how you see it...

I do not think they will invade us, for what reason would they want us, or this planet we have destroyed? Perhaps they will, as I sometimes think, they will simply rid this plant of us, in order to protect this planet which harbours other life (animals), from a virus like us.

Originally posted by Nephilimsreturn
I do not think they will invade us, for what reason would they want us, or this planet we have destroyed? Perhaps they will, as I sometimes think, they will simply rid this plant of us, in order to protect this planet which harbours other life (animals), from a virus like us.

I agree that aliens will not invade us. Because they are advanced enough not to invade like a bunch of barbarians, the way we humans invade countries.

I was only talking about weaponry because I thought this thread was about the THEORETICAL invasion, and what would happen. IF that happened they would wipe us out, and more realistically, they'd wipe us out with a virus or something, like other people have said.

The large percentage of the aliens I've met seem to be really nice folks.... They mainly come to earth to purchase Nine Inch Nails CDs and midget porn.

Originally posted by peacefulpete

I don't really understand how you are saying that humans and ET's are equal.

You DON'T think their technology is much more advanced than ours? Please explain.

"Much more" advanced? NO! Absolutely not! A few tricks that let them do things you think is impossible Perhaps one or two.

Here is a "for instance" for you: Current "common" Terrestrial thinking is that Terrestrials have no "advanced space systems". That space propulsion is still currently being done with primitive rockets. You have a few "high tech" things on the "burner" but nothing seriously promising.

But, that is not reality.
Here is an article that is ore like your current reality: Field Drives.

Earth actually has a 10+ year old technology that allows for artificial gravity, field drives, and perhaps even a kind of primitive FTL. And that is right now in Aug. 2013! The "imaginary" space fleet is a reality (though no FTL yet.)

Also, OP is asking about weaponry I believe, and don't people think our weapons are primitive? Think of our handguns and revolvers firing physical metal bullets. Isn't this primitive weaponry? We are even replacing some guns with tasers (re: police) so even our own weapons have that new higher-tech weapon replacing old primitive guns. Our own weapons tech is always evolving and advancing.

So why would their weapons tech be the same as ours? Why would they not be much more advanced in all ways?

Serious questions and please explain because now I'm curious how you see it...

Actually you are replacing many weapons with rail guns and lasers. Both ageing technologies, that should have been on the "battlefield" 20 years ago.

Sure ET has better, weapons, but, not that much better. Their "directed energy" weapons (lasers) may compensate for atmosphere a bit faster, they ay be a bit higher power. That would actually be only a small advantage in combat. Terrestrials are highly intelligent and adapt very fast. Do you not think that yu can learn to handle a laser?

Earth other method of causing damage is to throw "high energy pellets" at something. Your basic "gun" . on a ore modern Earth this gun fires a 40mm projectile of very dense material at something like Mach 7...a rail gun.

Perhaps ET's "gun" fires 17eter asteroids at 50,000mph

My point is: ET does not need to be more advanced than Terrestrial Humans, and, that is a bit more in line with the reality of the near-by stars.

Using a Drake like equation it is shown that there could be around 10 advanced species visiting Earth, all from within 50 light years of Earth. At this distance "serious" FTL is necessary, a sort of "primitive" FTL can work.

Think of it this way: Really fast field drive, can get ya to nearly light speed in under a year. Through "frame dragging", Doppler, and a wee bit of luck, the effects of time dilation may be offset, making Alpha Centuari some 8 years away (for crew and people on Earth), Sirius perhaps a dozen years (12).

In all this; no need for weapons improvement, the old stuff, kept current works just fine..

Don't usually post in these threads but the ET would be invincible and kill us easily nonsense annoys me as well I believe they would get their asses kicked hard even if we damaged ourselves doing it, were a race that would rather die than accept even a draw and our leaders are in my opinion psychotic.

Ok so they have ships in space a very limited resource people say we can't nuke them I say we would nuke them anyway and even with todays known technology we could make hypersonic stealth missiles and we wouldn't be dialing the megatons down like we do on earth we would obliterate anything that is there.

An alien invasion would probably turn out to be a really good thing for earth moving forward because we would actually work together for the first time and go hunting them first which is the kind of thing that would never happen otherwise.

Originally posted by tanka418

Originally posted by peacefulpete

I don't really understand how you are saying that humans and ET's are equal.

You DON'T think their technology is much more advanced than ours? Please explain.

"Much more" advanced? NO! Absolutely not! A few tricks that let them do things you think is impossible Perhaps one or two.

Here is a "for instance" for you: Current "common" Terrestrial thinking is that Terrestrials have no "advanced space systems". That space propulsion is still currently being done with primitive rockets. You have a few "high tech" things on the "burner" but nothing seriously promising.

But, that is not reality.
Here is an article that is ore like your current reality: Field Drives.

Earth actually has a 10+ year old technology that allows for artificial gravity, field drives, and perhaps even a kind of primitive FTL. And that is right now in Aug. 2013! The "imaginary" space fleet is a reality (though no FTL yet.)

Also, OP is asking about weaponry I believe, and don't people think our weapons are primitive? Think of our handguns and revolvers firing physical metal bullets. Isn't this primitive weaponry? We are even replacing some guns with tasers (re: police) so even our own weapons have that new higher-tech weapon replacing old primitive guns. Our own weapons tech is always evolving and advancing.

So why would their weapons tech be the same as ours? Why would they not be much more advanced in all ways?

Serious questions and please explain because now I'm curious how you see it...

Actually you are replacing many weapons with rail guns and lasers. Both ageing technologies, that should have been on the "battlefield" 20 years ago.

Sure ET has better, weapons, but, not that much better. Their "directed energy" weapons (lasers) may compensate for atmosphere a bit faster, they ay be a bit higher power. That would actually be only a small advantage in combat. Terrestrials are highly intelligent and adapt very fast. Do you not think that yu can learn to handle a laser?

Earth other method of causing damage is to throw "high energy pellets" at something. Your basic "gun" . on a ore modern Earth this gun fires a 40mm projectile of very dense material at something like Mach 7...a rail gun.

Perhaps ET's "gun" fires 17eter asteroids at 50,000mph

My point is: ET does not need to be more advanced than Terrestrial Humans, and, that is a bit more in line with the reality of the near-by stars.

Using a Drake like equation it is shown that there could be around 10 advanced species visiting Earth, all from within 50 light years of Earth. At this distance "serious" FTL is necessary, a sort of "primitive" FTL can work.

Think of it this way: Really fast field drive, can get ya to nearly light speed in under a year. Through "frame dragging", Doppler, and a wee bit of luck, the effects of time dilation may be offset, making Alpha Centuari some 8 years away (for crew and people on Earth), Sirius perhaps a dozen years (12).

In all this; no need for weapons improvement, the old stuff, kept current works just fine..

I just never thought anyone would imagine that an alien species (who could travel here) would also have human-like weapons and warfare strategies.

OK anything is possible but don't you think it's MUCH more likely that their weapons tech would be advanced just like their space travel tech?

Wouldn't it be much more likely that ALL their tech is advanced, overall?

Also, how much OLDER (than humans) are you imagining this alien species with star travel but with non-advanced weaponry?

The older their species, the more advanced tech in general, could be expected. Right?

I know how....

Because if it happens the invasion will be a complete hoax. A total fake set up by the UN in order to try and unit the world armies in a cause to save humanity from the evil aliens. But since we'll all know it's a con=job then basically we'll have beaten them as we won't be fearful nor will we go along with their BS!

reply to post by James1982


If an intelligent species or sentient machines that were advanced enough to travel great distances across space in any force, were to come here for the purposes of conquest, then: Game over, man! End of story. It would be like Europeans coming to the New World, but several orders of magnitude worse. The best we could hope to do would be to nuke the planet and make it inhabitable for them.

They wouldn't even have to use big, fancy über weapons on us. They would likely be able to covertly sample the flora and fauna of this planet and genetically engineer any microbes they wished, that could target us or any other living species on Earth.

The good news is that any species advanced enough to come to Earth in force most likely doesn't need the planet's resources. But if they're looking for slaves or food sources, or are just into wanton destruction and sadism, look out!

I'd think the worse case scenario would be sentient machines who don't need no stinking life forms, and who respect them even less.

But I also think it highly improbable that any aliens that came here would be able logistically to come here in force. Then again, perhaps all they need is one robust spacecraft, along with a data bank of describing every aspect of their race and the flora and fauna of their planet, with which they could go about reconstituting all the organic matter on this planet in their planet's image -- not a pretty picture for us or terrestrial microbes for that matter.

In any case, we have a much larger and more real danger here and now with The Most Deadly Game.

they really wouldnt need to bring "troops" to earth. a simple advanced virus, placed at the right spots would be enough to vanish 90% of mankind in a few weeks. but if they are intelligent, they simply wouldnt do this.

One giant asteroid we can't stop heading towards earth packed with a biological weapon.... versus the hollywood idea that there's going to be spaceships and legions of troops lol


Why would they attack earth for anyway..... resources, how many possible earth like planets have we found? humans being a threat..... hmmmm switch on the news channel we will kill each other long before any alien race will.

The only way that I'd know of to repell'em would be to feed the world brown beans for many days straight. But then again...they might like us even more. Who knows? How do you defend against an enemy unknown who is obviously far more advanced? Could we figure out their weakness before they got us all in the anal probe room? Jesus, lets hope so.

Originally posted by peacefulpete
I just never thought anyone would imagine that an alien species (who could travel here) would also have human-like weapons and warfare strategies.

OK anything is possible but don't you think it's MUCH more likely that their weapons tech would be advanced just like their space travel tech?

Wouldn't it be much more likely that ALL their tech is advanced, overall?

Also, how much OLDER (than humans) are you imagining this alien species with star travel but with non-advanced weaponry?

The older their species, the more advanced tech in general, could be expected. Right?

Weapons as advanced as their space travel? Sure, but their space travel isn't any more advanced than what Earth currently has.

Earth HAS field drives, and artificial gravity.
Earth HAS directed energy weapons of considerable energy
Earth HAS high velocity, high capacity rail guns; capable of launching small asteroids at incredible speeds (kinetic bombs).

And yes their Tech is more advanced than what Earth currently has. But, then again, Earth's current tech is vastly more advanced than it was just some 66 years ago, and yet remain fundamentally the SAME technologies.

How much more advanced than Earth is ET? Firstly it depends on which ET, but: We first need to understand that Earth and Terrestrial Humans have been help back at least twice, totaling nearly 2000 years, so your current state of technology has been altered (retarded) by outside influences.

The first time was about 200 years ago: Steam power was shelved by the Roan Empire; it would have eliminated the need for slaves, and their economy was based on slaves at the time. Good logic huh?

The second time was by the Catholic Church. Their fear was loosing power over the common man. At least Caesar had a real reason even IF it was pure BS.

So how advanced? the Sirians colonized the Earth some 6000 or so years ago, you were held back by those very Sirians via the Romans and later the Church so, that's about 4000 years. But, we have no idea about the technological progress and evolution in off-world societies, so it could be dramatically less.

The Grays and the Reptilians arrived near Earth only about 600 years ago; so they are not more advanced than Earth at all, and should be at about the same level (except for your "hold-back").

"The older the species, the ore advanced they are." Logic would seem to want to demand this be the case, and I think that on a level playing field that might tend to be the case. But, there are always influences, sometimes from within a society, sometimes from without, that modify the learning curve and a species response to it. Learning may be more difficult at some times, easier at others. And, of course, none of us can dictate the terms of learning and evolution.

Point is, most ETs currently visiting the Earth are from nearby, and not much older, nor advanced than Terrestrial Humans.

Originally posted by tanka418

Originally posted by peacefulpete
I just never thought anyone would imagine that an alien species (who could travel here) would also have human-like weapons and warfare strategies.

OK anything is possible but don't you think it's MUCH more likely that their weapons tech would be advanced just like their space travel tech?

Wouldn't it be much more likely that ALL their tech is advanced, overall?

Also, how much OLDER (than humans) are you imagining this alien species with star travel but with non-advanced weaponry?

The older their species, the more advanced tech in general, could be expected. Right?

Weapons as advanced as their space travel? Sure, but their space travel isn't any more advanced than what Earth currently has.

Earth HAS field drives, and artificial gravity.
Earth HAS directed energy weapons of considerable energy
Earth HAS high velocity, high capacity rail guns; capable of launching small asteroids at incredible speeds (kinetic bombs).

And yes their Tech is more advanced than what Earth currently has. But, then again, Earth's current tech is vastly more advanced than it was just some 66 years ago, and yet remain fundamentally the SAME technologies.

How much more advanced than Earth is ET? Firstly it depends on which ET, but: We first need to understand that Earth and Terrestrial Humans have been help back at least twice, totaling nearly 2000 years, so your current state of technology has been altered (retarded) by outside influences.

The first time was about 200 years ago: Steam power was shelved by the Roan Empire; it would have eliminated the need for slaves, and their economy was based on slaves at the time. Good logic huh?

The second time was by the Catholic Church. Their fear was loosing power over the common man. At least Caesar had a real reason even IF it was pure BS.

So how advanced? the Sirians colonized the Earth some 6000 or so years ago, you were held back by those very Sirians via the Romans and later the Church so, that's about 4000 years. But, we have no idea about the technological progress and evolution in off-world societies, so it could be dramatically less.

The Grays and the Reptilians arrived near Earth only about 600 years ago; so they are not more advanced than Earth at all, and should be at about the same level (except for your "hold-back").

"The older the species, the ore advanced they are." Logic would seem to want to demand this be the case, and I think that on a level playing field that might tend to be the case. But, there are always influences, sometimes from within a society, sometimes from without, that modify the learning curve and a species response to it. Learning may be more difficult at some times, easier at others. And, of course, none of us can dictate the terms of learning and evolution.

Point is, most ETs currently visiting the Earth are from nearby, and not much older, nor advanced than Terrestrial Humans.

You raise interesting points.

I still have to assume that any aliens who can travel the stars will also have advanced technology overall, in all aspects of their lives.

I think THAT is the most likely scenario.

Humans do have tech that keeps getting more advanced, and yes our POTENTIAL tech is much better than our actual normal-life tech.

Anyways, I still have to assume that advanced space tech means advanced tech overall.

Plus first-person accounts don't mention humanly weapons like revolvers lol. Accounts mention aliens causing memory loss, & causing mind-control, at will. I don't remember many accounts of aliens actually holding / firing weapons, but there are accounts of aliens disabling our missiles when they're supposed to be able to be fired.

I remember accounts of planes approaching UFO's and having their guns disabled when they got close.

This is how I tend to think of alien technology.

It sure seems much more advanced than some revolver 6-shooters lol.

Originally posted by peacefulpete
You raise interesting points.

I still have to assume that any aliens who can travel the stars will also have advanced technology overall, in all aspects of their lives.

I think THAT is the most likely scenario.

Yes, as YOU do. I'm trying to get across to you that YOU; Terrestrial Human; Earth have that very same technology! You seem to think it is potential technology, it isn't! It exists and is being used today! Go back to page two; I posted a video there about "non-Existent off-world Technology"

Go to the European Space Agency website, and read about Field Drives.

This is not potential Technology, nor a dream; it's real.

Plus first-person accounts don't mention humanly weapons like revolvers lol. Accounts mention aliens causing memory loss, & causing mind-control, at will. I don't remember many accounts of aliens actually holding / firing weapons, but there are accounts of aliens disabling our missiles when they're supposed to be able to be fired.

You, Terrestrial Humans, have the same technologies here too. The use of drugs and chemicals to control the operation of the biological / chemical brain is well known, by all. Though, I'm sure ET has better substances to use; less harmful, faster, etc.

Actually, whether ET was actually able to disable military systems, any military systems, is only a "story". The reality is that there only a limited number of "kinds" of systems ET can exert any control over.

Electrical / electronic systems would be one of those that ET could "shut down". But, you will need to understand that this is a "ShutDown" not a "disable". In order for ET to prevent a missile launch he may be required to take the entire sub-system offline, this would then require repair and reboot of the now broken system. So, no taking missiles off line for a short period. Also, in order to disable the guns on an aircraft; the whole aircraft has to shut down.

I remember accounts of planes approaching UFO's and having their guns disabled when they got close.

This is how I tend to think of alien technology.

It sure seems much more advanced than some revolver 6-shooters lol.

It is obvious you look at Terrestrial Technology as "six shooters". Seriously man; you have progressed light years beyond that. You have Technology on par with most that are visiting. And, yes, there will always be those whose technology may as well be magic.

Another thing you should understand; All space-faring species are predators. They became space-faring because they were the Apex-Predator on their home world, and likely still are. Space is a dangerous place and one doesn't survive there long being nice.

reply to post by tanka418


I really struggle to comprehend you - our so called 'advanced' science has occurred over maybe the last 200 years.

There is every reason to believe that ET's arriving here may be MILLIONS of years more advanced than us in technology. Even if not millions, sheesh even 500 years more advanced than us is going to make our tech look pretty crap.

Originally posted by Amagnon
reply to post by tanka418

 

I really struggle to comprehend you - our so called 'advanced' science has occurred over maybe the last 200 years.

There is every reason to believe that ET's arriving here may be MILLIONS of years more advanced than us in technology. Even if not millions, sheesh even 500 years more advanced than us is going to make our tech look pretty crap.

ET may be millions of years more advanced!!????

Really?!? And, just how OLD do you suppose ET is? Or maybe "how old is his star?"

Earths nearest neighbor; Alpha Centauri; A "G2" Class star just 4+ light years away. Age: aprox 4.5 - 6 Billion years. It is virtually a twin for Sol. Yet, there is no reported life, or is there? It is entirely likely that Alpha Centauri has life, and it is entirely likely that that life in "on par" with life here. They are not more advanced, and, may not have left their planet as yet.

IF you take a serious look at the stars available for life to evolve, you will find that first of all; there are very few that can even begin to support life. In fact it appears that even star "classes" have a "goldilocks zone". It would seem that "life", that is to say, life as it has become known to the likes of us; may only begin and evolve on a narrow range of stellar class ("G", "F", "A"). Also, these stars seem to NEED to be of some minimum age for life, that may venture forth, to evolve.

In other words, it is only stars like "Sol" that have life advanced enough to space travel. So a star that is at least "G" class, AND more than 3 billion years old. (The classic Greys; Zeta Reticuli, class: "G2", age 3 Gyr). Even the classic Grays are not more advanced than Terrestrial Humans, and, may be significantly LESS evolved than Terrestrials. If we take our look at the stars now, we find that while there are more than enough stars to support abundant life, Much of that life can not be "more" advanced than Terrestrials, by virtue of elapsed time (i.e. they aren't old enough).

You take a look around and you see a world that you don't think is very advanced, yet, if you compared it to this very same world just a short 70 years ago, you would see what should appear to be 100's of years of technical advancement. You should probably also understand that Terrestrials have been deliberately held back, and interfered with by one ET faction ... so you have lost at least 1000 years of development.

Today, YOUR technology can take you to the stars! Yes, I know the accepted knowledge here is that Terrestrials can barely make it to the moon and near by planets. That is pure, unadulterated, horse! In the early years of this new century scientists in Europe and the European Space Agency released some "novel" science. This wee bit of stuff was the "science" behind artificial gravity, and field drives for space craft. This science, developed into a technology provides for interstellar travel..

This isn't a good place to put all the science involved, but, you will need to remember, this science is now in the PUBLIC domain. The collection of scientific papers which exist, and are publically available, detail all aspects of this "drive" from the production of artificial gravity, formation of a thrust vector, to the time dilation effects of using such a device at ultra velocities. They go into the effects of time dilation, the effect of Doppler on time, frame dragging, And other aspects of using a gravity field for propulsion.

IN SHORT: EARTH HAS STARSHIPS!!! They use a "kind" of warp drive, and travel to near by stars is possible. In fact, nearly ALL the cute tricks that ET likes to play, are possible with September 1, 2013 Terrestrial technology!

So, How is ET more advanced?