Why we COULD repel an alien invasion

Originally posted by James1982

Originally posted by starwarsisreal
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I wonder how would alien forces fare when they land into the middle east and occupied Mecca?

Haha good point. Or they attack Afghanistan and it's forever know to aliens as "the place alien civilizations go to die"

There are really any number of reasons why they could be defeated. Once we get away from the idea that any and every attack possible would be a massive full scale campaign from a species millions of years advanced to us. Why does THAT have to be the situation? Again looking at human history, MOST battles are not that way. The

Look at WWII and the Thompson. It was an excellent weapon loved by servicemen, but few were used. You'd assume that in WWII every single soldier would have the best gun possible, but that's not how it happens.

Another situation is that perhaps they are trying to colonize earth and have a large portion of their population that doesn't agree with destroying other civilizations. So they are allowed to come here in order to colonize the planet under the condition they don't use too much force and upset the alien hippies. Once us humans start fighting back and get slapped down maybe public opinion turns and they abandon their campaign.

I can keep going if anyone still thinks it's a forgone conclusion every alien attack would be hopeless to defend against.

Let's start with the Thompson, you are mistaken to say it was the best and beloved weapon. It was not, very little knock down power, incredibly inaccurate, heavy, especially trying to carry loaded clips. It was liked for close quarter battle when spraying rounds was useful. They were also really only good for within twenty five meters. John Wayne looked good carrying it in the movies but it was not the weapon you thought it was.

As for aliens, well it would be no battle at all. They could set out in space and hurl asteroids at us and just wait for us to die or kill each other off fighting for the last of the water and food. Battlefield 101 why commit troops when you can use long range artillery to wipe out your enemy. There is so many ways they would or could wipe us out, there would not be a fight.

If they are that old a species they have probably already been through their war like stage and are much more evolved than that. They seed stars and create species etc. They would have no trouble with us if that were their intention.

It makes for good Hollywood movies though. Lol

The Bot

The abductions thing seems to have been about collecting genetic material. I think it's logical that whatever alien species has been collecting human genetic material is also perpetrating cattle mutilations. I'm guessing they have been experimenting with producing hybrids. I think that the chemtrails program could either be terraforming or geoengineering the Earth so that it will be more hospitable to an invading hybrid race and is being done by humans to appease the invaders (because we had no choice but to strike a deal) or chemtrails are possibly a human initiated defense against invading hybrids because there is something in the spray that kills the hybrids.

However, in the grand scheme of the vast universe, I think that space travel by advanced biological entities in the flesh would only be practical and desirable within a solar system, but not interstellar unless we're talking about spacecraft the size of a planet. It has always seemed to me that sending robotic probes with mobile robots on board to deploy with HD cameras is much more desirable for exploration than sending astronauts. The whole idea of sending astronauts beyond Mars is kind of old fashioned and a romantic notion based on the fact that humans enjoyed human exploration in previous centuries. For an advanced civilization like humans are becoming, it makes no sense to try to send humans into interstellar space unless we are attempting to escape our sun's becoming a red giant and cooking us all.

Alien explorations could also happen inter-dimensionally, I suppose, but again, I would think that probes would be used rather than EBEs.

The whole abduction thing is quite disturbing though, because it does smack of genetic manipulation and hybrids. How could we stop a massive invasion of hybrids? The billion rounds of hollow point .40 cal bought up by Homeland Security. Seriously, I don't think they acquired those rounds for killing internal threats. I think they are stocking up to defend against some external threat. The remake of War of the Worlds with Tom Cruise is what I think the stockpile of bullets is for (or like in Battleground L.A.) or just a huge load of hollow points to rip the circuits out of invading cyborgs. The problem with a cyborgs or robots invasion is not blowing their chips away with conventional bullets. The problem would be getting overrun by millions of them. You can take a lot out, but more keep coming.

They have invaded and won 10,000's of year ago

religion is our controller for them

as long as we keep believing they do not exsice there is nothing to fight.

LOL at the argument of using Mars exploration to support our hubris. Out of the 40 or so attempted landings on mars, only 7 have successfully made it and beamed any info back.

reply to post by James1982


You're a gadget - if they came here and wanted the earth, sans the humans - there are a million ways to wipe us all out - hell, we can do it ourselves - we just chose not to wipe ourselves out .. well, at least so far.

If some feeble exploration ship arrived here - why would they attack if they didnt have the force necessary? If they are smart enough to fly here, they are smart enough to know if they have the means to wipe us out - if they dont, then they wont attack.

Yeah. I just imagine aliens sitting in their command lair far far away and having this conversation:

Alien Villain number 1 (Av1):
"Your Supreme Alienship, why do we invest so much effort into building space armada to conquer that (how aborigines call it? Oh, yeah!) Dirt planet when there is multitude of planets ,uninhabited and rich in resources, all over our enormous alien-controlled territory?"
Supreme Alienship (S.A):
"Silence,fool! They have ...that stuff ...you know... that is not found anywhere else in the universe! We crave for it."
Alien villain number 2 (Av2):
"Yes,yes! They have pies!"
Av1:
"Oh, pies. I completely forgot about those. But why do we have to send thousands and thousands of our mighty space robots operated by our vicious space troopers, that still can catch that infamous Dirtian cold and die horribly? Instead we can use few agents in SSST (small stealthy spaceship thingies) to unleash biological warfare ourself, wiping vast majority of Dirtians in few hours all over the planet and then all pies will be under our control. Fast and easy."
S.A:
"We grow tired of your stupidity. We crave for infinite supply of pies! By killing them all we risk loosing that secret pie making technology,forever."
Av2:
"Your Shining Supremity - look,look! Look at what they transmit through their primitive communication channels! Some ugly Dirtian in funny white hat reveals how to make pies".
S.A
"So they decided to surrender! HA HA HA. Too late for that. Go,go our brave vicious space troopers! Ride our mighty space robots and grind Dirtians into,well,dirt. We desire to watch them suffer while feasting on pies made by our ingenious top scientists. Instruct our scientists to concentrate on pies and pies only, villain number 2."
Rest of the story can be seen in the War Of The Worlds movie.

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You are discounting the level and state of Terrestrial technology. And, you are giving ET WAY too much credit.

It almost seems as if you haven't found out the state and level of your own technology, ou really should bring yourself up-to-speed. Your ideas of space technology are obviously antiquated, as most peoples is.

You no longer live in a world where space travel depends on primitive rockets. You have truly progressed to the use and deployment of "field drives", FTL is within your grasp.

Back in 2003 the European Space Agency made available to the public scientific papers detailing the science, and technology for a true artificial gravity system that is capable of producing a thrust vector. This simple drive system is capable of propelling a craft to greater than light speeds.

Think back to your ideas on how far advanced military hardware is over civilian. Y'all announced this technology in 203...you how have 7 - 9 large spacecraft capable of defending the planet.

Dudes "secret space force" is real, the hardware is real; you have all seen it in photos provided by your governments; course, you accepted the lies about what you were looking at, but that's okay.

Y'all should also understand that ET simply isn't all that advanced. Just being able to travel so small number of light years simply isn't the feat y'all think it is. But, then all this new technology is difficult to keep up with, so...

I've always wondered why people assumed that just because a civilization has achieved FTL travel that they MUST have equally advanced weaponry. I don't see how they are mutually inclusive.

Maybe they put all their mind power into travel only and their weapons are as limited as ours. It seems we think they would behave exactly as we would

Originally posted by mymymy
I've always wondered why people assumed that just because a civilization has achieved FTL travel that they MUST have equally advanced weaponry. I don't see how they are mutually inclusive.

Maybe they put all their mind power into travel only and their weapons are as limited as ours. It seems we think they would behave exactly as we would

Probably because the ability to move celestial objects around with ease is itself a weapons technology. This is covered earlier in the thread.

The technology you need to survive as a species against natural threats posed by the universe is the same tech you can use to wipe yourself out if you are unwise as a species.

To survive to become an interstellar civilisations the others must have already figured how to strike this balance. They would be able to wield destructive potential far above us.

Originally posted by benrl

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by benrl
All they would need to do is push a large enough asteroid our way and its game over.

That takes math and some thrust.

Mass Effect had a mission like that where a bunch of aliens put some big ole thrusters on an asteroid to crash it into a planet. Alien terrorists... the worst, I tell ya.

Starship troopers did it first, but yeah mass effect as well.

Haha, interestingly, Little Big Adventure 2 (Twinsen's Odyssey) did it a mere 2 months before Starship Troopers! But I'm sure it's been done long before 1997 too

Originally posted by markymint

Originally posted by benrl

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by benrl
All they would need to do is push a large enough asteroid our way and its game over.

That takes math and some thrust.

Mass Effect had a mission like that where a bunch of aliens put some big ole thrusters on an asteroid to crash it into a planet. Alien terrorists... the worst, I tell ya.

Starship troopers did it first, but yeah mass effect as well.

Haha, interestingly, Little Big Adventure 2 (Twinsen's Odyssey) did it a mere 2 months before Starship Troopers!

But I'm sure it's been done long before 1997 too

... Starship troopers the 1959 novel includes the event that destroy a city and sets off war.

How long does it take for an earth based virus to wipe out a lot of people....now think of an alien one.That is all it would take

We are still here.
They are still here.
We are not free today.
We have never been free
Why would anyone need to fight a war with us,when we are all 100% vulnerable to religon and the dollar of money?

All you need to do is manage us, we do not seek and stand for truth.

Without telekinetic abilitys we are helpless to fight back,as soon as realtime communication is taken away from us we are helpless. We cannot truly be human without the ability to read each others minds, we feel like we are individuals when we are trapped in our own heads and this kicks in our survival instincts so we fight amongst ourselves based on resources,this is the crux of how we are enslaved,toss in the shortened life span and the table is set. Why would anyone need to invade? Within 50 years we could have a financial Cartel leading Humanity and regularly shipping our Earths resources out into the universe.

If we can read each others minds,we cannot lie to each other, we cannot misrepresent anything, commercialism ends immediatly, marketing and sales are never the same and the dollar gains tangible value when people stop wasting them on con jos. As sick as this sounds the already rich will get exponentially richer when these changes happen, the weak dollar hurts them more than people know.There will be no more room for their types to develop ,the ones here will live out their fiscal impacts and not be replaced. Call it a Mulligan for the Powers That Be. There truly is every reason for humanity to unite and rebel right now and to mobilise so we can move near space rocks into protective positions to stop kinetic attacks, and possibly to attack aggressors ourselves the same way. We need to retake the Moon and antartica, we need to hit on all fronts simutaneously. We need to remember that the length of the battle is determined by Nature and the cycle we will be going through, not by us or the enemy, both need to survive the Cycle,the enemy comes with and leaves with the end of the Cycle.We need to destroy the Vanguard immediatly ,they are holding the line waiting for reinforcements as they always do between cycles, they are at their weakest now and so are we, we require Crusades of tens of millions of people activated for and designed around humanitarian pursuits so we can allocate our resources where we will be needing them without causing attention.

The Tower of Babel supposedly broke the realtime communication ability of prior Humanity. If we can break the tower of Babel then these abilitys must return to us by proxy and we wouldnt need the internet any more than we need power lines more than Tesla Towers...

Human genetic research and computing power means that kids in high school will soon be able to attack the challenges their parents could not, some high school kid will soon discover exactly what genetic markers to adjust to give us all 800 year lifespans if we choose. Just like kids are discovering methods of producing free energy now, they will soon return our lifespans and telepathic communication abilitys to us. We will know the tower of babel is gone when we all wake up in the morning speaking the same language,in our heads with anyone on the planet at will.

Ever heard of the Spanish Flu? Well no one knows where it came from or where it went , but it nearly wiped Humanity out globally. Invade us? Why? Just kill us and come get what you want. Unless its really US THEY WANT.

Of course one must consider that a planet with a 3600 year cycle of self destructon might not exactly be considered to be a prize by Universal standards. There is a reason we reproduce so epiclly as Humans, when you only have 3600 years to build up enough of a population base to barely survive cyclical global cataclysms you need to grow your population fast,very very fast..We are still here. Any life form that wants to play in the earths sandbox is vulnerable to her cyclical changes.If you had technology and knew the cycle,what would you do? Nothing,thats what, who needs more Universal competition for resources right? If a cycle of Humans makes it off Planet before getting wiped out,as obviously SOME have done, great for them, you think they are coming back here when they know about the cycle of total destruction, and if they did return in their futures what could they really do for us now, or for any Humans of a particular cycle,except try to get them to help themselves?Suppression and a lack of disclosure have prevented us from galvanising as a Cycle and getting off Planet in sufficient numbers to survive on our own, even the few we hear about who are furtively trying to get off planet are screwed in the long run, it is really all or nothing.

Suppression of Gravity craft and other races has never been possible, there is to much information out there and there always has been, even the bible tells the same history. It is the suppression of the 3600 year Earth cycle that has been the real travesty, the reality is that it is to late for us to galvanise now, we need to dig in and fight it out with Nature,the way we were designed to survive.

Fear not, more than the elite and Military/Government will survive obviously the Bunkers arent foolproof,it seems to me that surface survivors are forced to be savages until they begin to re-discover technologys and caches of machines and information hidden around the Earth from prior Cycles of Humanity. This is repeated, so I believe that Nature runs the show here on Earth and everywhere in the Universe.

I do believe we need to find and disable the Tower of babel for the next cycle after us, we are fracked already, but just like a soldier jumping on a grenade to save his buddies, we can make a difference for the next cycle, give them a headstart, but we need to get on it ASAP.

We do not need to go quirelty into the night, we can fight back now for the future.But we need to know where the fight is and what resources to allocate now dont we.

The battle for humanitys freedom has been raging for thousands of years, since the Tower of babel was erected, probably since our creation or shortly thereafter when we exibited a tendancy to rebel and seek independance.

I've posted this b4 but I'll say it again. We have a redundant weapon for such a "Invasion", nobody wins. The earth is lost.

This thing is manned 24/7. Believe it, or not.

Originally posted by RUFFREADY
I've posted this b4 but I'll say it again. We have a redundant weapon for such a "Invasion", nobody wins. The earth is lost.

This thing is manned 24/7. Believe it, or not.

I'll go with not.

Theres a problem with secret doomsday devices. See doctor strange-love for details.

Countless times on ATS, and elsewhere, people repeat the same tired argument that if aliens wanted to invade Earth, we wouldn't be able to defend ourselves at all. I think this is silly statement, and I'll explain why.

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You haven't read Dean Koontz, 'The Taking'.

If an alien race is intelligent enough to travel the stars, then they most likely have the intelligence to control the weather. I'm halfway through the book and so far the aliens have been causing rainfall of six inches per hour. The rain would not only wash away civilization as we know it, but in the book that rain is seeded with plant life from the alien world. We would have no defense against such an invasion.

Good book so far!

reply to post by James1982


Hey kudos for thinking outside the box and posing a slightly unusual question. Really it is the same common question ("What would happen if aliens invaded?") but OP is asking the familiar question, from a slightly different perspective.

Anyhow my 2 cents is the old, solid logic that: If aliens HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO TRAVEL FROM ANOTHER SOLAR SYSTEM, then it is obvious that their tech is VERY advanced beyond ours.

^Well that is the main reason that if aliens did decide to invade, we would be wiped out instantly, if that was their choice. Your question is why WOULDN'T WE BE ABLE TO REPEL THEM, and the answer is that their tech would be so vastly superior to ours, if they traveled here in the 1st place.

I could go on but I think that is the biggest reason, that OP asked for...

Im sorry, but realistically, they would commit "M.A.D."

reply to post by peacefulpete


Why is it that you Terrestrials continue to undervalue yourselves and over value ET?

I mean you liken yourselves to ants, and make ET some kind of god, and that is just simply wrong.

Extraterrestrials are not more "advanced" in any respect. Yeah, they might have a trick or two that you don't think that Terrestrials have, but, guess what!!!?!!

ET ain't got anything over you! PERIOD!!!

ET does not have advanced technology, at least not any more advanced than Earth already has. You all think that the ability to travel between stars is something special. its not. You have had that technology for at least 10 years

So, could y'all please stop putting yourselves down, belittling yourselves at every turn is not a healthy thing. And stop elevating ET to the status of a demi-god; he ain't nothin' but a hound dog! And seriously not worth all the BS you attribute to him.

YOU SERIOUSLY NEED TO WAKE UP TO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE ET's EQUAL!

In all respects.

Originally posted by justwokeup
I'll go with not.

Theres a problem with secret doomsday devices. See doctor strange-love for details.

What?!! One looses control of their hand!?!

Seriously though, "MAD" does not work with off-worlders.