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Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by HanzHenry
You must hang with a much different class of people than I do. I tend to gravitate towards people who are go getters. Most of the one's I know weren't born into any money, they earned it. You sure don't give people much credit.
When you are doing all this traveling, try asking around and see how many folks who are doing well are living off of their inheritance, and how many are living off of their hard work and good decisions.
Originally posted by Tardacus
The only way to fix the problem is to have a global currency and to outlaw money making money.
If you don`t provide a service or produce something you shouldn`t be paid or make any money, allowing money to make money should be considered a crime against humanity.
The rich don`t work, they just use their money to make more money without providing any service or producing any product,and that makes them parasites.
Buying a commodity and then reselling it at a higher price does not provide a service to anyone and creates no new product, it`s exactly the same as people being on welfare.In both cases the people involved are being parasites on society by taking something of value from society and giving nothing of value in return.
A global currency would reduce the massive cost of living gap from one country to another and even from one part of a country to another part.The value of a world currency would be based on the GDP of all the worlds countries combined, so a drop in the GDP of one country would not affect the value of the currency.
Originally posted by HanzHenry
WE have NO time for pomposity, shills, agents, simpletons, trolls, or anything else of the sort.
all those POMPOUS #$@$# 's that attack my premise are those still on another phrase in the literature..
Originally posted by boohoo
Originally posted by HanzHenry
WAGE COMPETITION!!
that is it in a nutshell.... we are TOAST!! in America
WELFARE is the ONLY SOLUTION!!
3 guys compete for one job = pay so low none can live = desperation = ever undercutting to get fed..
1 guy on welfare, 2 guys competing = more benefit for ALL..
imagine if 2 guys on welfare, living OK...that 1 guy = $$$$
supply and DEMAND!!
once you fully let my OP stew... overnight... come back tomorrow
Actually this is something everyone should already realize. Up to the 1940's a person could get just about any job with an 8th grade education, but today you need a BA or Masters for entry level.
Why?
Because the government figured out a long time ago that populations would certainly increase over time, but the availability of jobs would not expand to meet the population growth. There is a reason they don't want people dropping out of high school, then attending junior college, then a 4 year university and finally a Masters degree or PhD because it DECREASES the amount of people looking for full-time employment at the SAME TIME, chasing after jobs in a market that CANNOT provide employment for everyone willing to work.
Look at it this way, when people could get a job with an 8th grade education they went out and did it (opportunity cost). Then jobs got scarcer and the minimum became a high school diploma, adding 4 more years of people NOT Looking for jobs within their cohort. Then jobs got even scarcer and the minimum became a 2 or 4 year degree, adding an additional 2-4 years of people NOT looking for jobs within their cohort. Now jobs are really scarce and may require a Masters or PHD, adding an additional 2-7 years of people NOT looking for jobs within their cohort.
Basically the way the economy has been structured TODAY, we are looking at young people within their cohort whom are NOT looking for full-time, career type, employment for 6-15 YEARS while they finish school!!!
This has been done ON PURPOSE to keep the number people seeking employment lower. In 1920 after 8th grade everyone who was able went out to look for work and found it, that's simply NOT possible today under any circumstances. What some of you seem to be missing with HanzHenry analysis is that WELFARE availability will add another 1-3 years of people within a cohort to those "not seeking employment", not to the specific detriment of society, but to continue to mask the illusion that jobs are available. So if someone gets a graduate degree and collects 1-3 years of welfare of some kind that's ONE less person competing for scarce jobs. The extra years of welfare then are acting in the same way to the larger economy as the increased minimum education levels for employment. Essentially to decrease the number of able-bodied applicants out on the job market at the same time.
Originally posted by WhoKnows100
In which case, even your welfare solution doesn't address the point of WHY WE NEED MONEY AT ALL. It's a con and has only created individualism. I don't need a " welfare cheque" if I don't need money. Money is only needed when a society places value on what it produces.
The only way to fix the problem is to have a global currency and to outlaw money making money.
If you don`t provide a service or produce something you shouldn`t be paid or make any money, allowing money to make money should be considered a crime against humanity.
Originally posted by HanzHenry
You are being SO DISINGENOUS ...Intellectually DISHONEST..
discuss any point.. refute a single one..
YOU are not very good at strawmen arguments... address my points or leave. your self aggrandizing is lamely attempting to discredit me..
typical sheeple move
Originally posted by MyHappyDogShiner
reply to post by HanzHenry
Keep prices for what people NEED low enough so everyone can get what they NEED, it doesn't have to be given to them for free, just make sure they can get it without killing themselves.
Originally posted by MyHappyDogShiner
reply to post by HanzHenry
I see your logic in a twisted way, and agree with it in a twisted way.
There is a way to fix things, but the guys running the show have all the money and all the control. If you can write laws to make your business more profitable, or make it a law that people are mandated to do business with you, that's really just kinda wrong, and the year before you had your cheesy little law passed mandating that people do business with you it was probably ILLEGAL for you to push that hard .
The government of the U.S. needs to put limits on what can be charged for what people need to survive in order for people to even be able to get by. It doesn't need to be some draconian clamp that inhibits every type of business, just those things people cannot live without need to be within the people's reach.
Keep prices for what people NEED low enough so everyone can get what they NEED, it doesn't have to be given to them for free, just make sure they can get it without killing themselves.
If they want to subsidize people, that's fine until they figure out a different way of doing business, because business is the problem. If something isn't done it will reset all by itself anyway, because not only are people dropping out of the work force (And it isn't necessarily voluntary) they will start dropping off of the above ground economy completely if they can get what they need easier than the established way.
Once enough drop completely out of the economy it falls apart, and food stamps are a big part of what keeps it going at all, for those of you who have some twisted notion that people don't deserve any help, I really would like to hear how you feel when it collapses, when you grow up and open your eyes, cuz you're gonna get it too.
The more people there are in the world, the more people there are to do the work, with advances in technology this is true, of course there are those dopes that want to disagree with this, but that isn't really about being a business person, it's about control more than anything else. Nobody should have to work 80 hours per week, really, we should all be happily employed part time.
Charging what the market will bear only costs a large portion of the market, entire segments of the population being priced right out of it.
It is a form of DESCRIMINATION, and can be plainly seen by the way business refuses to pay a wage that allows those who do the work to even purchase those things they have a hand in producing.
edit on 19-8-2013 by MyHappyDogShiner because: Prrofed but still missed one....
Originally posted by network dude
Originally posted by HanzHenry
You are being SO DISINGENOUS ...Intellectually DISHONEST..
discuss any point.. refute a single one..
YOU are not very good at strawmen arguments... address my points or leave. your self aggrandizing is lamely attempting to discredit me..
typical sheeple move
As I guessed, we are not on the same playing field, but I will leave you and your asshole attitude with this,
If everyone is on welfare and nobody is working, who do you think is going to be in charge?
That's right brain child, the few with all the money, and they won't take care of you like you would take care of you. So get used to grabbing those ankles buttercup. Put some leather in between your teeth so you can save them.
And no, I don't need a dumbass condescending reply,
I grew up living all around the country/world I am not speaking like a WV miner.. although my grandfather did die of black lung in his 50's from coal mining.. back when they were literal slaves for "the company"..
Wiki: Cuba is a developing country, but it still has both a high life expectancy and literacy rate. The country operates a national health system and assumes fiscal and administrative responsibility for the health care of all its citizens;[17] the infant death rate is lower than some developed countries,[18] and the average life expectancy at birth is 78 years.[3] Cuba has a 99.8% literacy rate[3][19] with free education at every level.[20] According to the United Nations, Cuba was the only nation in the world in 2006 that met the World Wide Fund for Nature's definition of sustainable development, with an ecological footprint of less than 1.8 hectares per capita and a Human Development Index of over 0.8 for 2007.[21]
Originally posted by HanzHenry
This is a complete heart fluttering 180 degree PARADIGM shift for me personally. And in layman's terms simplified for dummies like me. But still hopefully coherent to those more eloquent.
There is only ONE HOPE for any type of decent life here in Merca.. everything must be OWNED by the Govvie. Or else America will FALL!! -- I GET IT NOW..
The reason we can't "fix our mess, pull up or boot straps, and get the adult kids out the house" is mostly BECAUSE OF THE F--n HOUSE! the cost to house one's self is RIDICULOUS at a global competitive wage.
We can't fix this problem because high home values keeps the wheels of PONZI spinning!!
1. taxes, taxes, taxes, taxes..... higher the values of real estate, more $$$$ tax.
2. we can't fix the bloated home prices mess because that money is counted on for TAX!
3. the entire rest of the economy has their HOOKS somewhere in 7 (or less) degrees of Bacon attached to it.
well I see your point you are trying to make but I will also bring up the fact that we pay taxes with money that isn't worth the paper it's printed on because it isn't backed by anything.... So truthfully collecting taxes is actually worthless
Originally posted by network dude
People work. That = taxes paid.
Taxes paid = money for welfare, some legitimate, some slugs and low lifers to damn lazy to work.
if everyone was on welfare, = no taxes paid.
Therefore.........no more money for Government, no more money for welfare, no more money.
If you doubt my math, multiply any number you want X zero. See. =0
Originally posted by Fortysixandtwo
There was a short period of time a few years back where I found myself unfortunate enough to need help from the system. It was myself, my husband and our child. I was extremely pregnant and in and out of the hospital. We were getting the maximum in food/cash assistance and still had to beg, borrow and steal to just keep the lights on.
How people live on welfare for an extended period of time without some sort of illegal supplementation of income is beyond me. They must be far better at that whole budgeting business than yours truly.
Give up and collect my check every month? Are you kidding me? I would sell my right leg not to have to step foot in the department of health and human services building ever again.
I suppose however everyone is different. My self esteem is worth a bit more than that though.
Originally posted by agentblue
well I see your point you are trying to make but I will also bring up the fact that we pay taxes with money that isn't worth the paper it's printed on because it isn't backed by anything.... So truthfully collecting taxes is actually worthless
Originally posted by network dude
People work. That = taxes paid.
Taxes paid = money for welfare, some legitimate, some slugs and low lifers to damn lazy to work.
if everyone was on welfare, = no taxes paid.
Therefore.........no more money for Government, no more money for welfare, no more money.
If you doubt my math, multiply any number you want X zero. See. =0