Welfare for everyone is the only ANSWER for USA.. here is why

Originally posted by jimmyx
yup, let's blame the poor....they are an easy target, no money, no power, no powerful "k" St. lobbies in Washington...and how has the republican house of representatives, and republican controlled state houses, tried to help?....cut education to the poor so they cannot get jobs, cut food stamps to the poor so they have to scamble just they have something to eat, cut medical care so any money the poor make from their minimum wage job can go to doctors bills, cut voting rights so they can't vote you out of office, cut housing credits so the poor have to live on the street or in slumlord digs...the motto of the republicans should be "blame the people that have nothing, and let the people that have everything off the hook"

and then... have those fortunate few who got a chair during the musical chairs economy actually SPEW ARROGANCE as if they are special.. and earned what they earned..

never admitting they luckily "found a slot" are a doing something a MILLION OTHERS could do just as well if not better!!

NOONE is so special and great that they are doing a job where they EARN it because they are so IT. "None could do what I do, I went to college, waited tables, and now I earn"..pfft.

supply and demand... workers are a COMMODITY.. yet the sheeple in bondage enjoy the taste boot polish!

Originally posted by Taissa
reply to post by HanzHenry

 

I watched it all fall apart. And it started with America's manufacturing jobs being moved out the country.

My mom worked for Carnation and Friskies and retired at 55 yo. My dad worked for Quaker Oats until he was 58, my aunt, Mead. Another aunt, for Lee jeans. Almost everyone in my family worked some type of a factory job and was union. They made good money, had a good pension plan, and insurance. There was always over time available, and I remember my mom working all the time and bringing enough money home to put food on the table, pay bills, buy clothes, and still have some money left over to spend or go into savings.

We went on family vacations every summer. But I have not been on a vacation in almost 7 years. Our president is on them all the time.

The 80's and 90's were a prosperous time for my parents and extended family. When they look back on it now, they talk about how the money was good, and how they worry for the future of this country without these jobs. Even my soon to be in laws worked factory jobs and they had good money and are now living off a good pension and the nest egg they built over the decades.

They all had the "American dream". My dad sold his motorcycle in 1970 to put a down payment on a home. Their house payments were $75.00 a month. They all understand that this country is now economically and morally bankrupt and nothing has been left for their children. They see our struggles, and feel helpless and they don't know what to do. What do you do when your 35 yo daughter is barely making it in the world, has a college degree, works her butt off only to have to move back home? The American dream... the jobs, the freedom, the pride is dead.

My boyfriend, who has a BA in Computer Science works in a wood shop that employs around 150 people that started off full time, tedious labor, at $8 an hour. Obama care kicked in and that job went to part time, no benefits. No way to save, just living pay check to pay check, now paying off school loans and can barely pay rent.

We are both mid 30's, and putting off our wedding, our future, and our desire to have children because we can't afford it. We both want SO much more. I too, lost my full time job when Obamacare kicked in. I lost my insurance. I now have no health care. I now live pay check to pay check, and my school loans will come due soon as well.

If you haven't been wrapped up in Obama's "go back to college" bs, please don't. It's a lie. You won't find a job. Then in 6 months Sallie Mae comes knocking. It's a sham.

Getting back to what I was initially saying, our troubles really began when America lost our manufacturing jobs. The pride of the people in earning a living has been stripped away. In the city I grew up in, most everyone was prosperous because we had these jobs. One by one they went away, leaving the community with very little. And when the jobs are gone, what do they tell you to do? Go back to college, get a degree, take out massive student loan debt. I bought into the lie.

The way our children are educated now, they will be lucky to make through college. Dumb down the populace, stop teaching them how to write, and graduate them even if they cannot read. They are the cradle to grave welfare babies. I see them all of the time. They are dependent for life. They don't understand getting up each day and going to work. They do not care. They have a sense of entitlement. They drive better cars than me. They always have money for things. Then you have people who are the working poor, who have no other choice but to take assistance to make the ends meet.

It will only get worse with Obama care in full effect. People are going to get their wages and hours cut, or lose their jobs all together.

It is a struggle to stay off govt assistance, but it can be done. We are learning to network with family, friends and neighbors. Buying and selling, bartering, and food prepping. Under the table pay jobs. It can be done. It really can... and yes it is hard to make money and it requires more work and effort, but it can be done.

I think about how hard my parents worked, they were never a stranger to hard work. They never had to take welfare. It just was not done, not in our house. My parents are doing very well, and they know that my future is shaky. They cry about it and they worry that I'm not going to be OK but I will be, because they taught me how to live right and what is important.

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My heart aches for our lands. The ONLY people against my preposition are those that, while deep inside they agree, they fear that their musical chair that they luckily stumbled into will be gone, I mean none want to be the poor, anything to avoid that..

I have to step away..

So because we can't get our act together so as to become competitive again we should engage in nation destroying policies that utterly end progress and a people's self worth and independence .......

so by that same defeatist attitude that goes against the very spirit of the country , when we realize that there are too many people to be sugar daddy to we then should see how killing more than half of them is a good thing relatively speaking because its A SOLUTION ......a final solution which considers someones idea of "common good" instead of our nations choice of good. What do the people know anyways...

this school of thought doesn't deserve consideration .....they need to be ended. That is where every socialist extreme leads to for the opposition .....death squads...maybe we should beat them to the punch. History doesn't lie....

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by HanzHenry

 

from CA to FL to PA and back again ... it happens all over and not just with the illegals either.

heck, i just recently read a story where a northern group was busted for using their fraudulently acquired benefits to buy staple foods and then ship them to other countries

don't get me wrong, i'm not against helping those in need but what this group was doing had nothing to do with Americans in need.
linky

this statement really bothers me though ...

as the benefits are only meant for use in the home of the recipient

which is hilarious when you think about it because many recipients don't have "homes" in which to use them

it's just more propaganda to shame those who have little, yet, are willing to share with those even less fortunate than themselves ... shame, shame on the AG spokesperson

what the "ism" sheeple fail to realize..

everyone BUT them is ALREADY on the dole!

instead of saying, "Uh, I am hungry too" they continue to fight against what?

REALITY.. they REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE REALITY of their environment..

preferring instead to live in some 1950's America is swell propaganda film.. erm we were supposed to have flying cars by now right?

we can not move forward when so many are still BLIND!! they are the ... blind sheep.. I wish they had higher IQ's.

reply to post by HanzHenry


yours and a select fews reality.

so because "everyone" is on the dole and that is really not working out we should put everyone else on the dole because that will be SOOOOO much better.

I get it...mass cult suicide ......nice

You first.

Originally posted by tadaman
So because we can't get our act together so as to become competitive again we should engage in nation destroying policies that utterly end progress and a people's self worth and independence .......

so by that same defeatist attitude that goes against the very spirit of the country , when we realize that there are too many people to be sugar daddy to we then should see how killing more than half of them is a good thing relatively speaking because its A SOLUTION ......a final solution which considers someones idea of "common good" instead of our nations choice of good. What do the people know anyways...

this school of thought doesn't deserve consideration .....they need to be ended. That is where every socialist extreme leads to for the opposition .....death squads...maybe we should beat them to the punch. History doesn't lie....

edit on 20-8-2013 by tadaman because: (no reason given)

The NATION IS ALREADY IMPOVERSHED! to me that IS DESTROYED..

if everything that generations built is GONE... that is DESTROYED!! Detroit.. the beacon of American prosperity!

few fully grasp HOW---------->FAR GONE

The folks with the real wealth in this world promote eugenics. It's true we don't need all those made up jobs and people, but they'd rather just kill off everyone but a few dolts to run maintenance on the machines then support everyone.

reply to post by HanzHenry




there is nothing novel or unique about your plan. It has been proposed before by every failed experiment like it.

I am of the opinion that it is our struggle and its difficulty that makes us and our endeavour noble.

If it was easy it would have been done.

It is not....and that is precisely why it must be done because every natural tendency is to let die...those of THAT opinion never had a nation of their own. They were and always will be the nomads of the plain that are extinguished by a simple storm or rising of waters. Let them die by a gust of wind or a rivers ebb and flow.

We stand like those before us....to aspire to more and make true our divine nature.

We build nations....faster then history can erase our empires......and so it all comes and goes but we remain.

you die sir.....We will fight. We will build with our hands what the will of others only witness in confusion and fear.

The simple fact is that so called development and progress can't go on forever, anyone who believes it can is either ignorant, doesn't care, or is part of the problem.

Capitalism is a fine and dandy way of growing a country, but some things have to change in order to maintain the environment and to maintain some type of system that doesn't utterly destroy entire segments of a country's population because they are born into a certain income class.

The potential for upward mobility has been proven not to be an option by scientific study and the study of history, anyone who tells themselves they can be whatever they want to be is a liar most times, living in a dream world, a fantasy land. Most people don't really have anything to offer which would allow them to transcend.

People coming into this world are treated like they are committing a crime for just showing up, giving people what they need isn't what is needed, options people have to work with need to be preserved. Even being able to go get what we need is becoming like some kind of sick game.

People need certain things, some people want nothing but to take advantage of that fact, and that's fine to a point, but only to a point.

A war is coming to distract us from this problem, that's pretty much always the way it goes.

reply to post by HanzHenry


All i am hearing is lie down and give up on life how did you make it in life this long without cutting your wrists or jumping off a bridge?
cheese and rice I need a healthy dose of sunshine to burn off all of your negativity.

Originally posted by thesaneone
reply to post by HanzHenry

 

What is your solution oh great and wise one? All i am hearing is lie down and give up on life how did you make it in life this long without cutting your wrists or jumping off a bridge?
cheese and rice I need a healthy dose of sunshine to burn off all of your negativity.

many are dense.

It isn't about giving up. It is about having a system of prosperity for those so inclined, and a mediocre life for those wishing not slave away.

Then, all you people who want to work just because all day, week in/out year after year.. can have something decent for all the sweat -- which I DO FEEL DESERVES REWARD!

right now, we have a fiscal social Darwinism.

those at the top control, through monetary clout., pretty much every aspect of life. deny this, just try.

And 'they' have made it to where ---- 10 people fight over 5 jobs.. competition... pitting people AGAINST each other..

why? ------less "business expense" on the commodity (workers)

DO you NOT UNDERSTAND ----------> Supply and Demand how or why Punk..

We are getting PUNKED by our "owners" .... denying we have owners are we? that's a HUGE FACEPALM!

reply to post by HanzHenry


Owners? last time I checked I have no whip marks or any other marks from my "owners" I work for myself hell I make 3x more money now then I did working for a company very low overhead no deadlines and I can work in the buff if that isn't free I don't know what is.

I kind of feel sorry for you hopefully thing will work out for you.

Yeah, somebody finally had to say it!, goddammit!, now I have no choice but to break out that bottle of booze and try to kill the pain, but there is no escape!.

This is a long movie, really long, but it is very pertinent to the subject of this OP, be patient, make time to watch and absorb what it shows. This is HISTORY, this is now.

metanoia-films.org...

I will wallow in my misery and make my head hurt worse by watching this movie, self abuse is so fun, kinda like working for most crap-head employers in this country!, and trying to talk to most people here and on the street makes it hurt even more. Oh if I only had a job to take my mind off of what a waste of time working is!.

Just kidding, things can always be worse, but not much worse.

reply to post by HanzHenry


Well, you're preaching to the choir as far as some go... "unfair" is the shorthand description for our fascistic capitalistic system of haves and serfs.

We think we have come so far from feudalism, but it just ain't so.

The people brainwashed by the seductive, Darwinist protestant work ethic just have a mental block when it comes to others who are suffering... and besides deprivation, there is actual hunger, disease and element caused suffering happening... and most of those suffering are not lazy takers despite the b.s. rationalizations based on fear and selfish greed. Working your whole life to the exclusion of basic human enjoyment is suffering, too. Not everyone loves, or likes, their job.

So many (if not all) of our serious problems are the result, directly, of this particular modern version of a capitalistic system based on planned obsolescence, overuse of existing resources and the accumulation of resources by a teensy-tiny fraction of the populace.

Or in kindergarten vocabulary, it's really, really unfair. Sharing is caring... and if we are going to pull through and prosper as a species, then things are going to have to change.

You are spot on in that the labor pool is huge and the competition for the crappy subsistence jobs will bring wages down to nothing... it's inevitable and happening already.

It has to dawn on people that things do NOT have to be this way. There are resources enough for all and the lifestyles and environments people can experience can be ...well, nice.

All we have to do is reach the tipping point of awareness to change our system. We can live without despoiling our environment or having to labor all our lives for table scraps. People will still have to work, but we can devise an equatable system where society's necessary work will only take up a small percentage of one's life.

It's not a pipe dream and the only thing stopping it are people themselves. Well... people and shape shifting demon reptoids according to some... sigh.

reply to post by Baddogma

This is the New World Order so many posers rail against, it isn't new, it's the OLD WORLD ORDER, I suppose they do it to distract the masses and divert attention to meaningless debates about anything but the subject which needs to be discussed.

Many have been convinced it's something new to make them look and sound stupid, it worked pretty good.

Kinda like those religious types who claim the only thing Satan ever had to do was convince man he never existed.

The only reality here is the one which is agreed upon by the majority, that majority being those who can buy the most votes.

Corporations recently convinced the courts to agree that inhibiting their being allowed to contribute any amount they please to political candidates was an infringement on their freedom of speech/expression.

Strike down Corporate personhood, reign in Corporate charters, disallow them to influence elections, and then things just might get better.

Oh yeah, reinstate Glass-Steagall to reign in the damned banks too.

Quotation: "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

Some things just never do change, ever.

I believe the only answer is ZERO Government based welfare for anyone. Zero food, zero clothing, zero shelter, zero healthcare, zero anything from the Government. The only thing the Government should provide is protection from the aggression of other countries and groups.

reply to post by yamammasamonkey

maybe you should read the Preamble to the Constitution:

We the People of the United States, In order to form a more perfect Union,
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,
promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to-
ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this
Constitution for the United States of America.

You sound like a Corporate Stooge.

I wish. and would they give us all we need?
and lots of fun?

it would stop a lot of crime.
dont use money, just give people what they need.
and people that work should only do six six hour day.
jobs for ever one who wonts to work.

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