Welfare for everyone is the only ANSWER for USA.. here is why

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posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by St Udio
The flip side of giving everone 'welfare' a safety net for ALL...poor get the most with the richer getting the least

the Flip Side would be to do away with the unproductive Wage Taxes on sweat & toil = Labor...
the system calls it 'Income Tax' ~which it never was, because wages are not income...but are recompense for time/skill/labor

imports taxes, tarriffs, tax the use of strategic resources, tax on the profits of 'corporations' and businesses with more than 3 people as employees/contractors are the only types of taxes we should expect to pay to the federal government-state government, but not both


i detest a 'nanny state' but that seems the only solution to bring about some sembelence of equality for the whole (although there will always be the exceptions and some people falling thru the cracks or some getting more than their fair share---until that loophole is remedied)


there a fewer and fewer jobs VERSUS more and more workers..annually

take a job that requires (x) workers. the worker pool has (y) workers..

the higher (y), the lower (x) will pay. if this rate becomes exponential we will volunteer ourselves to servitude!

OOPS!! WE ECLIPSED THIS ALREADY!!




posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by HanzHenry

Originally posted by network dude
People work. That = taxes paid.
Taxes paid = money for welfare, some legitimate, some slugs and low lifers to damn lazy to work.
if everyone was on welfare, = no taxes paid.

Therefore.........no more money for Government, no more money for welfare, no more money.

If you doubt my math, multiply any number you want X zero. See. =0


people work NOT EQUAL to taxes paid..


SO, the only taxes paid are on work?

SIMPLETON ANSWER!!

MOST TAXES ARE NOT on WAGES.. they are on EQUITY... erm do you need the definition of equity?


Since I am not a rude pinhead, I am not certain we can communicate on an equal plane, but I will try.
Welfare is for people who don't earn money. It's a handout from the government. The people on welfare don't work, or if they do, they earn a very small salary, otherwise they would not qualify for welfare, and they would be people like me, who work, pay taxes, and live the American dream.

If everyone got paid for sitting on their asses, there would be no work. Even the people who work for the government (assuming you are really as smart as you claim and submit that Gov't employees would make the same paycheck as those on welfare) would realize that they don't need to work, and they would just sit on their asses too. So you have an entire country collecting "welfare" and not working. Who is going to print the damn checks?

I think you either don't fully understand the word "welfare" or perhaps you aren't anywhere near as smart as you think you are.

Either way, good luck with your socialist views. And remember, socialism is a great idea until you run out of other people's money to use.



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by HanzHenry
Oh, so you don't want welfare, you want straight out Communism. Fantastic idea if you can erase any memory of the capitalist free market from every citizen. Communism is one of those perfect world scenarios. Since this isn't a perfect world, it just doesn't work. At least not for a country like the US.


I do NOT want communism.. But it beats FACISM.. we have a corporate form of fascism in the US --->already



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 01:14 PM
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So whos paying for this MASSIVE welfare system your talking about? The rich?

the Average salary for the world is $10,000 dollars a year. www.bbc.co.uk...

Making everyone in the United States RICH! So is this going to be a global effort? if so, all those making over $10,000 a year going to be taxed 90%?

hahah this is going to workout well.



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by HanzHenry

Originally posted by Unity_99
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UM.....not on paper they don't .....they are illegal rogue fascists and when people wake up and all their documents seized it will be like the nuremberg trials, where writing a law doesnt make it legal and common sense was to be used, and those who carried out unjust laws were guilty of crimes.....AND THEY WILL BE IN JAIL.

We don't give into their crimes and Rogue Criminal Behavior.

We continue to wake ppl up until they are no more.

To be karma free and a good person, you have to do this even if you're the last man/woman standing and anchoring light and you never give into them.
edit on 19-8-2013 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)


How does this affect the FACTS presented?

How can we have any resemblance of a competitive equality when others around the world are not saddled with BLOATED cost of living?

What we we have to do to be competitive with $6/hr workers in areas where food is 40bucks a month.. and rent is $150?

How can everyone have a job?

What people resort to is a musical chairs mentality... I gotta job. others just aren't as good as me.. they
should starve


the fact is, there is NOT enough work for everyone to be employed..

and now there are so many unemployed, good 'ol supply and demand kicks in..

Wages are like a falling knife. More workers competing over same job = ever lowering compensation
edit on 19-8-2013 by HanzHenry because: bb code


Make your own job. dont rely on others to pay you. Start a small business.



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by darkbake
You have a point here, you know, I mean welfare for everyone isn't the best solution, but you identified the problem. I know this first-hand.

There is no way in hell I am going to be able to survive out in the world, and especially no way in hell I am going to be able to afford to buy my own house. Right now I'm renting from a friend who bought a house.

And I have a college education and over 10 years experience working in the music industry doing everything from recording to running audio equipment to promotion to playing live shows -

And my major is in psychology, and my minors are in math, physics and computer science. I'm not sure if anyone I know has their own house (even my room-mate who owns his house needs two of us to rent from him to be able to afford it).

We are all fast approaching 30, with most of us needing support from our parents to survive, and by survive, I mean have food, gas and a room to rent.


DUDE, people don't get it. I am sorry I have a short fuse. but the clock is ticking down, fourth quarter.

WE have NO time for pomposity, shills, agents, simpletons, trolls, or anything else of the sort.

a future filled with THE COLONY/ELYSIUM/OBLIVION is the future if we don't do have massive mental PARADIGM shift soon. I actually hope for The Walking Dead.. that's the best chance at freedom we have...lol.. but seriously..lmfao

there are not enough jobs, all top paid people are on the block.. so many fields already OBLITERATED by off-shoring and Insourcing of cheap labor..

all those POMPOUS #$@$# 's that attack my premise are those still on another phrase in the literature..

Recession -- when guy down the street is unemployed
Depression -- when few guys down the street unemployed
the GREAT Depression -- when I am unemployed.



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by HanzHenry

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by HanzHenry
 


UM.....not on paper they don't .....they are illegal rogue fascists and when people wake up and all their documents seized it will be like the nuremberg trials, where writing a law doesnt make it legal and common sense was to be used, and those who carried out unjust laws were guilty of crimes.....AND THEY WILL BE IN JAIL.

We don't give into their crimes and Rogue Criminal Behavior.

We continue to wake ppl up until they are no more.

To be karma free and a good person, you have to do this even if you're the last man/woman standing and anchoring light and you never give into them.
edit on 19-8-2013 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)


How does this affect the FACTS presented?

How can we have any resemblance of a competitive equality when others around the world are not saddled with BLOATED cost of living?

What we we have to do to be competitive with $6/hr workers in areas where food is 40bucks a month.. and rent is $150?

How can everyone have a job?

What people resort to is a musical chairs mentality... I gotta job. others just aren't as good as me.. they
should starve


the fact is, there is NOT enough work for everyone to be employed..

and now there are so many unemployed, good 'ol supply and demand kicks in..

Wages are like a falling knife. More workers competing over same job = ever lowering compensation
edit on 19-8-2013 by HanzHenry because: bb code


Make your own job. dont rely on others to pay you. Start a small business.


POMPOSITY or CLUELESS?

which mate.. what industry? you are looking at the Micro.. look at the macro..

Name ONE industry.. name it.. name one industry isn't FLUSH with companies now.. good ones GOING UNDER due to lack of customers.. no matter what the efforts..

and DO NOT DARE cite one that is WELFARE/GOVT backed... that is WELFARE!! ffs!



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by camaro68ss
So whos paying for this MASSIVE welfare system your talking about? The rich?

the Average salary for the world is $10,000 dollars a year. www.bbc.co.uk...

Making everyone in the United States RICH! So is this going to be a global effort? if so, all those making over $10,000 a year going to be taxed 90%?

hahah this is going to workout well.



WAGE COMPETITION!!

that is it in a nutshell.... we are TOAST!! in America

WELFARE is the ONLY SOLUTION!!

3 guys compete for one job = pay so low none can live = desperation = ever undercutting to get fed..

1 guy on welfare, 2 guys competing = more benefit for ALL..

imagine if 2 guys on welfare, living OK...that 1 guy = $$$$

supply and DEMAND!!

once you fully let my OP stew... overnight... come back tomorrow



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by HanzHenry

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by HanzHenry

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by HanzHenry
 


UM.....not on paper they don't .....they are illegal rogue fascists and when people wake up and all their documents seized it will be like the nuremberg trials, where writing a law doesnt make it legal and common sense was to be used, and those who carried out unjust laws were guilty of crimes.....AND THEY WILL BE IN JAIL.

We don't give into their crimes and Rogue Criminal Behavior.

We continue to wake ppl up until they are no more.

To be karma free and a good person, you have to do this even if you're the last man/woman standing and anchoring light and you never give into them.
edit on 19-8-2013 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)


How does this affect the FACTS presented?

How can we have any resemblance of a competitive equality when others around the world are not saddled with BLOATED cost of living?

What we we have to do to be competitive with $6/hr workers in areas where food is 40bucks a month.. and rent is $150?

How can everyone have a job?

What people resort to is a musical chairs mentality... I gotta job. others just aren't as good as me.. they
should starve


the fact is, there is NOT enough work for everyone to be employed..

and now there are so many unemployed, good 'ol supply and demand kicks in..

Wages are like a falling knife. More workers competing over same job = ever lowering compensation
edit on 19-8-2013 by HanzHenry because: bb code


Make your own job. dont rely on others to pay you. Start a small business.


POMPOSITY or CLUELESS?

which mate.. what industry? you are looking at the Micro.. look at the macro..

Name ONE industry.. name it.. name one industry isn't FLUSH with companies now.. good ones GOING UNDER due to lack of customers.. no matter what the efforts..

and DO NOT DARE cite one that is WELFARE/GOVT backed... that is WELFARE!! ffs!


Your asking me? I don’t know where you live and even if i did, i dont know your skill set.
This is your problem, relying on other people to hand you a job.
Pick yourself up and figure it out.



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by HanzHenry

Originally posted by camaro68ss
So whos paying for this MASSIVE welfare system your talking about? The rich?

the Average salary for the world is $10,000 dollars a year. www.bbc.co.uk...

Making everyone in the United States RICH! So is this going to be a global effort? if so, all those making over $10,000 a year going to be taxed 90%?

hahah this is going to workout well.



WAGE COMPETITION!!

that is it in a nutshell.... we are TOAST!! in America

WELFARE is the ONLY SOLUTION!!

3 guys compete for one job = pay so low none can live = desperation = ever undercutting to get fed..

1 guy on welfare, 2 guys competing = more benefit for ALL..

imagine if 2 guys on welfare, living OK...that 1 guy = $$$$

supply and DEMAND!!

once you fully let my OP stew... overnight... come back tomorrow


You are looking at this from a perspective of a mine worker from West Virgina who's mine just closed. Yes, I bet it does suck where you are, but it's not like that everywhere. Jobs exist, education exists, not all education will produce a job, but some will.

As has been said, small business is now and has been the cornerstone to our economic structure. Some fail, some boom, but when one fails, another will pop up with a new initiative and drive. The people with that initiative and drive will be tomorrows 1%. It sucks that there are so few of those kind of people. The kind that would have to be just about starving before they would take a handout from the Govt. The kind that make things happen. The kind that make solutions, not excuses. Be that guy.



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by HanzHenry

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by HanzHenry

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by HanzHenry
 


UM.....not on paper they don't .....they are illegal rogue fascists and when people wake up and all their documents seized it will be like the nuremberg trials, where writing a law doesnt make it legal and common sense was to be used, and those who carried out unjust laws were guilty of crimes.....AND THEY WILL BE IN JAIL.

We don't give into their crimes and Rogue Criminal Behavior.

We continue to wake ppl up until they are no more.

To be karma free and a good person, you have to do this even if you're the last man/woman standing and anchoring light and you never give into them.
edit on 19-8-2013 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)


How does this affect the FACTS presented?

How can we have any resemblance of a competitive equality when others around the world are not saddled with BLOATED cost of living?

What we we have to do to be competitive with $6/hr workers in areas where food is 40bucks a month.. and rent is $150?

How can everyone have a job?

What people resort to is a musical chairs mentality... I gotta job. others just aren't as good as me.. they
should starve


the fact is, there is NOT enough work for everyone to be employed..

and now there are so many unemployed, good 'ol supply and demand kicks in..

Wages are like a falling knife. More workers competing over same job = ever lowering compensation
edit on 19-8-2013 by HanzHenry because: bb code


Make your own job. dont rely on others to pay you. Start a small business.


POMPOSITY or CLUELESS?

which mate.. what industry? you are looking at the Micro.. look at the macro..

Name ONE industry.. name it.. name one industry isn't FLUSH with companies now.. good ones GOING UNDER due to lack of customers.. no matter what the efforts..

and DO NOT DARE cite one that is WELFARE/GOVT backed... that is WELFARE!! ffs!


Your asking me? I don’t know where you live and even if i did, i dont know your skill set.
This is your problem, relying on other people to hand you a job.
Pick yourself up and figure it out.


I present specific facts .. NONE of which you care to dispute..

and you have only TIRED EMPTY SHEEPLE 'win one for the GIPPER' babble..

Personally . I am a medically retired service connected disabled veteran --->not on food stampswho is employed with the post office.. welfare all around

If over 50% of people currently employed are due to welfare/govt (same thing) and 1/5 of people ALREADY on the dole..

What condition are we currently?

WORKERS are ------------------> FISH IN A BARREL for the corporate masters..

and it has/will continue to deteriorate to ACTUAL slavery unless we change away from this corporate/fascist system that masquerades as a something GREAT



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by HanzHenry

Originally posted by camaro68ss
So whos paying for this MASSIVE welfare system your talking about? The rich?

the Average salary for the world is $10,000 dollars a year. www.bbc.co.uk...

Making everyone in the United States RICH! So is this going to be a global effort? if so, all those making over $10,000 a year going to be taxed 90%?

hahah this is going to workout well.



WAGE COMPETITION!!

that is it in a nutshell.... we are TOAST!! in America

WELFARE is the ONLY SOLUTION!!

3 guys compete for one job = pay so low none can live = desperation = ever undercutting to get fed..

1 guy on welfare, 2 guys competing = more benefit for ALL..

imagine if 2 guys on welfare, living OK...that 1 guy = $$$$

supply and DEMAND!!

once you fully let my OP stew... overnight... come back tomorrow


You are looking at this from a perspective of a mine worker from West Virgina who's mine just closed. Yes, I bet it does suck where you are, but it's not like that everywhere. Jobs exist, education exists, not all education will produce a job, but some will.

As has been said, small business is now and has been the cornerstone to our economic structure. Some fail, some boom, but when one fails, another will pop up with a new initiative and drive. The people with that initiative and drive will be tomorrows 1%. It sucks that there are so few of those kind of people. The kind that would have to be just about starving before they would take a handout from the Govt. The kind that make things happen. The kind that make solutions, not excuses. Be that guy.


MOST small businesses that BOOM are doing so due to WELFARE/GOVT

bidding on a job for any level of GOVT as a contractor is WELFARE!



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by HanzHenry

Originally posted by camaro68ss
So whos paying for this MASSIVE welfare system your talking about? The rich?

the Average salary for the world is $10,000 dollars a year. www.bbc.co.uk...

Making everyone in the United States RICH! So is this going to be a global effort? if so, all those making over $10,000 a year going to be taxed 90%?

hahah this is going to workout well.



WAGE COMPETITION!!

that is it in a nutshell.... we are TOAST!! in America

WELFARE is the ONLY SOLUTION!!

3 guys compete for one job = pay so low none can live = desperation = ever undercutting to get fed..

1 guy on welfare, 2 guys competing = more benefit for ALL..

imagine if 2 guys on welfare, living OK...that 1 guy = $$$$

supply and DEMAND!!

once you fully let my OP stew... overnight... come back tomorrow


You are looking at this from a perspective of a mine worker from West Virgina who's mine just closed. Yes, I bet it does suck where you are, but it's not like that everywhere. Jobs exist, education exists, not all education will produce a job, but some will.

As has been said, small business is now and has been the cornerstone to our economic structure. Some fail, some boom, but when one fails, another will pop up with a new initiative and drive. The people with that initiative and drive will be tomorrows 1%. It sucks that there are so few of those kind of people. The kind that would have to be just about starving before they would take a handout from the Govt. The kind that make things happen. The kind that make solutions, not excuses. Be that guy.


I grew up living all around the country/world I am not speaking like a WV miner.. although my grandfather did die of black lung in his 50's from coal mining.. back when they were literal slaves for "the company"..

Military brat and Vet.. I have been in municipal engineering in the past and traveled ALOT..


THE PEOPLE WITH DRIVE DO NOT BECOME THE 1%



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by HanzHenry

WAGE COMPETITION!!

that is it in a nutshell.... we are TOAST!! in America

WELFARE is the ONLY SOLUTION!!

3 guys compete for one job = pay so low none can live = desperation = ever undercutting to get fed..

1 guy on welfare, 2 guys competing = more benefit for ALL..

imagine if 2 guys on welfare, living OK...that 1 guy = $$$$

supply and DEMAND!!

once you fully let my OP stew... overnight... come back tomorrow


Actually this is something everyone should already realize. Up to the 1940 a person could get just about any job with an 8th grade education, but today you need a BA or Masters for entry level.

Why?

Because the government figured out a long time ago that populations would certainly increase over time, but the availability of jobs would not expand to meet the population growth. There is a reason they don't want people dropping out of high school, then attending junior college, then a 4 year university and finally a Masters degree or PhD because it DECREASES the amount of people looking for full-time employment at the SAME TIME, chasing after jobs in a market that CANNOT provide employment for everyone willing to work.

Look at it this way, when people could get a job with an 8th grade education they went out and did it (opportunity cost). Then jobs got scarcer and the minimum became a high school diploma, adding 4 more years of people NOT Looking for jobs within their cohort. Then jobs got even scarcer and the minimum became a 2 or 4 year degree, adding an additional 2-4 years of people NOT looking for jobs within their cohort. Now jobs are really scarce and may require a Masters or PHD, adding an additional 2-7 years of people NOT looking for jobs within their cohort.

Basically the way the economy has been structured TODAY, we are looking at young people within their cohort whom are NOT looking for full-time, career type, employment for 6-15 YEARS while they finish school!!!

This has been done ON PURPOSE to keep the number people seeking employment lower. In 1920 after 8th grade everyone who was able went out to look for work and found it, that's simply NOT possible today under any circumstances. What some of you seem to be missing with HanzHenry analysis is that WELFARE availability will add another 1-3 years of people within a cohort to those "not seeking employment", not to the specific detriment of society, but to continue to mask the illusion that jobs are available. So if someone gets a graduate degree and collects 1-3 years of welfare of some kind that's ONE less person competing for scarce jobs. The extra years of welfare then are acting in the same way to the larger economy as the increased minimum education levels for employment. Essentially to decrease the number of able-bodied applicants out on the job market at the same time.



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by boohoo

Originally posted by HanzHenry

WAGE COMPETITION!!

that is it in a nutshell.... we are TOAST!! in America

WELFARE is the ONLY SOLUTION!!

3 guys compete for one job = pay so low none can live = desperation = ever undercutting to get fed..

1 guy on welfare, 2 guys competing = more benefit for ALL..

imagine if 2 guys on welfare, living OK...that 1 guy = $$$$

supply and DEMAND!!

once you fully let my OP stew... overnight... come back tomorrow


Actually this is something everyone should already realize. Up to the 1940 a person could get just about any job with an 8th grade education, but today you need a BA or Masters for entry level.

Why?

Because the government figured out a long time ago that populations would certainly increase over time, but the availability of jobs would not expand to meet the population growth. There is a reason they don't want people dropping out of high school, then attending junior college, then a 4 year university and finally a Masters degree or PhD because it DECREASES the amount of people looking for full-time employment at the SAME TIME, chasing after jobs in a market that CANNOT provide employment for everyone willing to work.

Look at it this way, when people could get a job with an 8th grade education they went out and did it (opportunity cost). Then jobs got scarcer and the minimum became a high school diploma, adding 4 more years of people NOT Looking for jobs within their cohort. Then jobs got even scarcer and the minimum became a 2 or 4 year degree, adding an additional 2-4 years of people NOT looking for jobs within their cohort. Now jobs are really scarce and may require a Masters or PHD, adding an additional 2-7 years of people NOT looking for jobs within their cohort.

Basically the way the economy has been structured TODAY, we are looking at young people within their cohort whom are NOT looking for full-time, career type, employment for 6-15 YEARS while they finish school!!!

This has been done ON PURPOSE to keep the number people seeking employment lower. In 1920 after 8th grade everyone who was able went out to look for work and found it, that's simply NOT possible today under any circumstances. What some of you seem to be missing with HanzHenry analysis is that WELFARE availability will add another 1-3 years of people within a cohort to those "not seeking employment", not to the specific detriment of society, but to continue to mask the illusion that jobs are available. So if someone gets a graduate degree and collects 1-3 years of welfare of some kind that's ONE less person competing for scarce jobs. The extra years of welfare then are acting in the same way to the larger economy as the increased minimum education levels for employment. Essentially to decrease the number of able-bodied applicants out on the job market at the same time.


AND TPTB got you anyway AFTER the DEGREE..

STUDENT LOAN INTEREST--- THE GOVT is PROFITING off your WHOLE financial future.. SACKING you during your CRITICAL early earning years when every PENNY is CRUCIAL..

"they" know what they are doing....

ALL those POMPOUS windbags who spew "jest work harder" "move to where the jobs are" "I gotta job, things are PEACHY" ---- are getting laughed at the hardest by the elites ..

for they are the MOST PATHETICLY BLIND of the SHEEPLE..

Men had better be without education than be educated by their rulers; for their education is but the mere breaking in of the steer to the yoke; the mere discipline of the hunting dog, which, by dint of severity, is made to forego the strongest impulse of his nature, and instead of devouring his prey, to hasten with it to the feet of his master.

Thomas Hodgskin



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 02:13 PM
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OMG!!

and look at all the people in prisons... STILL WORKING....for CORPORATE and SHAREHOLDER PROFIT (401k holders)... but then again not in the labor force...further flooding the market with workers.


All those guys doing 5 years for weed... less workers to compete for the crappy jobs----

AND "WE" can profit off them too! --says the elites..

We pay the soldiers pennies to get blown up robbing others, made by prison SLAVE LABOR, who were arrested for petty offenses by COPS ---PAID by the system to put people INTO the system!

WOW!



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 02:17 PM
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"Welfare" is not the only answer to the problems today, particularly if you are defining welfare as everyone understands it.

Everything boils down to money and the value placed on items. If I'm a carpenter and it takes me four hours to build one table, who comes along and defines it of a greater value than a basket of eggs or fruit? Is it not an economy that assigns worth and value? Eliminate it. Carpenters then build because they love to build and it is simply given to those who need a table. Farmers like to farm and that food is given to those who need food. Doctors provide basic medical care because they love their profession. We are all chasing our tails because we place value on things. Is the carpenter deserving of a better wage than the local hairdresser when both services are needed? Is the services of a midwive more valuable than a teacher? Isn't the value placed there by us, and inadvertently we've made this entire mess? People pursue jobs for money to survive because the whole economy is artificially built upon its need. I can't even go buy a plot, and build a teepee without paying water bills, property taxes, etc. this economy has been designed that one can just not ever live without paying a bloody dollar. A retiree today may own their home outright but still must pay property taxes, water bills, insurance.

In which case, even your welfare solution doesn't address the point of WHY WE NEED MONEY AT ALL. It's a con and has only created individualism. I don't need a " welfare cheque" if I don't need money. Money is only needed when a society places value on what it produces. It's only a society that buys the lie that a doctor is worth $300,000 and a plumber is worth $50,000. All that attracts is apathetic and greedy doctors who do not enter the profession out of service for others and a society that deems them more worthy than the plumber. Garbage men are looked down upon even though their service is needed.

Eliminate money and what it represents - artificially assigned value. Guess what true "free loafers" will do? Work. We'd quickly learn exactly what is important - food, community, shelter - and poof - there goes the elite and their greed. We are the only ones keeping them there because of our own behaviour which they taught us. They taught us this economy, money, credit, and today we still keep believing it. It is them who taught us that an actor is valued at $10,000,000 per year and a butcher at $40,000. Why do we keep believing it? They made it up! Those trying to simplify their lives are finding out real quick that it's a trap and snare because everything is based off of money. Money doesn't exist! It could be almonds or pebbles or teeth or coins - but it all represents assigned value. Therefore remove the value. A days wage becomes a day's wage no matter what job you choose. That's equality, that's right for all. But as long as some want the better life, more posessions, the bigger house, and as long as people's pride and prestige comes from what they do, then we can never move away from assigning value. And thus we are stuck in an economy and it's artificial values. We are the haves and have nots and we perpetuate it because we were taught it. No other reason. We can't even imagine a life where everybody just gives what they produce and it's shared out to those in need.



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 02:23 PM
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if the money you have or get comes from the govt.


It IS welfare... every level on govt employee, company that works/contracts/sells with the govt is Welfare.


people are still operating under DELUSIONS are old False paradigms



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 02:26 PM
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everyone could live the equivalent of a 100,000 yr lifestyle in USA..

if they just woke up and used their thought processes based entirely off facts and none off dogmas



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 02:36 PM
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You must hang with a much different class of people than I do. I tend to gravitate towards people who are go getters. Most of the one's I know weren't born into any money, they earned it. You sure don't give people much credit.

When you are doing all this traveling, try asking around and see how many folks who are doing well are living off of their inheritance, and how many are living off of their hard work and good decisions.





 
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