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Originally posted by St Udio
The flip side of giving everone 'welfare' a safety net for ALL...poor get the most with the richer getting the least
the Flip Side would be to do away with the unproductive Wage Taxes on sweat & toil = Labor...
the system calls it 'Income Tax' ~which it never was, because wages are not income...but are recompense for time/skill/labor
imports taxes, tarriffs, tax the use of strategic resources, tax on the profits of 'corporations' and businesses with more than 3 people as employees/contractors are the only types of taxes we should expect to pay to the federal government-state government, but not both
i detest a 'nanny state' but that seems the only solution to bring about some sembelence of equality for the whole (although there will always be the exceptions and some people falling thru the cracks or some getting more than their fair share---until that loophole is remedied)
Originally posted by HanzHenry
Originally posted by network dude
People work. That = taxes paid.
Taxes paid = money for welfare, some legitimate, some slugs and low lifers to damn lazy to work.
if everyone was on welfare, = no taxes paid.
Therefore.........no more money for Government, no more money for welfare, no more money.
If you doubt my math, multiply any number you want X zero. See. =0
people work NOT EQUAL to taxes paid..
SO, the only taxes paid are on work?
SIMPLETON ANSWER!!
MOST TAXES ARE NOT on WAGES.. they are on EQUITY... erm do you need the definition of equity?
Originally posted by HanzHenry
Oh, so you don't want welfare, you want straight out Communism. Fantastic idea if you can erase any memory of the capitalist free market from every citizen. Communism is one of those perfect world scenarios. Since this isn't a perfect world, it just doesn't work. At least not for a country like the US.
Originally posted by HanzHenry
Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by HanzHenry
UM.....not on paper they don't .....they are illegal rogue fascists and when people wake up and all their documents seized it will be like the nuremberg trials, where writing a law doesnt make it legal and common sense was to be used, and those who carried out unjust laws were guilty of crimes.....AND THEY WILL BE IN JAIL.
We don't give into their crimes and Rogue Criminal Behavior.
We continue to wake ppl up until they are no more.
To be karma free and a good person, you have to do this even if you're the last man/woman standing and anchoring light and you never give into them.edit on 19-8-2013 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)
How does this affect the FACTS presented?
How can we have any resemblance of a competitive equality when others around the world are not saddled with BLOATED cost of living?
What we we have to do to be competitive with $6/hr workers in areas where food is 40bucks a month.. and rent is $150?
How can everyone have a job?
What people resort to is a musical chairs mentality... I gotta job. others just aren't as good as me.. they
should starve
the fact is, there is NOT enough work for everyone to be employed..
and now there are so many unemployed, good 'ol supply and demand kicks in..
Wages are like a falling knife. More workers competing over same job = ever lowering compensationedit on 19-8-2013 by HanzHenry because: bb code
Originally posted by darkbake
You have a point here, you know, I mean welfare for everyone isn't the best solution, but you identified the problem. I know this first-hand.
There is no way in hell I am going to be able to survive out in the world, and especially no way in hell I am going to be able to afford to buy my own house. Right now I'm renting from a friend who bought a house.
And I have a college education and over 10 years experience working in the music industry doing everything from recording to running audio equipment to promotion to playing live shows -
And my major is in psychology, and my minors are in math, physics and computer science. I'm not sure if anyone I know has their own house (even my room-mate who owns his house needs two of us to rent from him to be able to afford it).
We are all fast approaching 30, with most of us needing support from our parents to survive, and by survive, I mean have food, gas and a room to rent.
Originally posted by camaro68ss
Originally posted by HanzHenry
Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by HanzHenry
UM.....not on paper they don't .....they are illegal rogue fascists and when people wake up and all their documents seized it will be like the nuremberg trials, where writing a law doesnt make it legal and common sense was to be used, and those who carried out unjust laws were guilty of crimes.....AND THEY WILL BE IN JAIL.
We don't give into their crimes and Rogue Criminal Behavior.
We continue to wake ppl up until they are no more.
To be karma free and a good person, you have to do this even if you're the last man/woman standing and anchoring light and you never give into them.edit on 19-8-2013 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)
How does this affect the FACTS presented?
How can we have any resemblance of a competitive equality when others around the world are not saddled with BLOATED cost of living?
What we we have to do to be competitive with $6/hr workers in areas where food is 40bucks a month.. and rent is $150?
How can everyone have a job?
What people resort to is a musical chairs mentality... I gotta job. others just aren't as good as me.. they
should starve
the fact is, there is NOT enough work for everyone to be employed..
and now there are so many unemployed, good 'ol supply and demand kicks in..
Wages are like a falling knife. More workers competing over same job = ever lowering compensationedit on 19-8-2013 by HanzHenry because: bb code
Make your own job. dont rely on others to pay you. Start a small business.
Originally posted by camaro68ss
So whos paying for this MASSIVE welfare system your talking about? The rich?
the Average salary for the world is $10,000 dollars a year. www.bbc.co.uk...
Making everyone in the United States RICH! So is this going to be a global effort? if so, all those making over $10,000 a year going to be taxed 90%?
hahah this is going to workout well.
Originally posted by HanzHenry
Originally posted by camaro68ss
Originally posted by HanzHenry
Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by HanzHenry
UM.....not on paper they don't .....they are illegal rogue fascists and when people wake up and all their documents seized it will be like the nuremberg trials, where writing a law doesnt make it legal and common sense was to be used, and those who carried out unjust laws were guilty of crimes.....AND THEY WILL BE IN JAIL.
We don't give into their crimes and Rogue Criminal Behavior.
We continue to wake ppl up until they are no more.
To be karma free and a good person, you have to do this even if you're the last man/woman standing and anchoring light and you never give into them.edit on 19-8-2013 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)
How does this affect the FACTS presented?
How can we have any resemblance of a competitive equality when others around the world are not saddled with BLOATED cost of living?
What we we have to do to be competitive with $6/hr workers in areas where food is 40bucks a month.. and rent is $150?
How can everyone have a job?
What people resort to is a musical chairs mentality... I gotta job. others just aren't as good as me.. they
should starve
the fact is, there is NOT enough work for everyone to be employed..
and now there are so many unemployed, good 'ol supply and demand kicks in..
Wages are like a falling knife. More workers competing over same job = ever lowering compensationedit on 19-8-2013 by HanzHenry because: bb code
Make your own job. dont rely on others to pay you. Start a small business.
POMPOSITY or CLUELESS?
which mate.. what industry? you are looking at the Micro.. look at the macro..
Name ONE industry.. name it.. name one industry isn't FLUSH with companies now.. good ones GOING UNDER due to lack of customers.. no matter what the efforts..
and DO NOT DARE cite one that is WELFARE/GOVT backed... that is WELFARE!! ffs!
Originally posted by HanzHenry
Originally posted by camaro68ss
So whos paying for this MASSIVE welfare system your talking about? The rich?
the Average salary for the world is $10,000 dollars a year. www.bbc.co.uk...
Making everyone in the United States RICH! So is this going to be a global effort? if so, all those making over $10,000 a year going to be taxed 90%?
hahah this is going to workout well.
WAGE COMPETITION!!
that is it in a nutshell.... we are TOAST!! in America
WELFARE is the ONLY SOLUTION!!
3 guys compete for one job = pay so low none can live = desperation = ever undercutting to get fed..
1 guy on welfare, 2 guys competing = more benefit for ALL..
imagine if 2 guys on welfare, living OK...that 1 guy = $$$$
supply and DEMAND!!
once you fully let my OP stew... overnight... come back tomorrow
Originally posted by camaro68ss
Originally posted by HanzHenry
Originally posted by camaro68ss
Originally posted by HanzHenry
Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by HanzHenry
UM.....not on paper they don't .....they are illegal rogue fascists and when people wake up and all their documents seized it will be like the nuremberg trials, where writing a law doesnt make it legal and common sense was to be used, and those who carried out unjust laws were guilty of crimes.....AND THEY WILL BE IN JAIL.
We don't give into their crimes and Rogue Criminal Behavior.
We continue to wake ppl up until they are no more.
To be karma free and a good person, you have to do this even if you're the last man/woman standing and anchoring light and you never give into them.edit on 19-8-2013 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)
How does this affect the FACTS presented?
How can we have any resemblance of a competitive equality when others around the world are not saddled with BLOATED cost of living?
What we we have to do to be competitive with $6/hr workers in areas where food is 40bucks a month.. and rent is $150?
How can everyone have a job?
What people resort to is a musical chairs mentality... I gotta job. others just aren't as good as me.. they
should starve
the fact is, there is NOT enough work for everyone to be employed..
and now there are so many unemployed, good 'ol supply and demand kicks in..
Wages are like a falling knife. More workers competing over same job = ever lowering compensationedit on 19-8-2013 by HanzHenry because: bb code
Make your own job. dont rely on others to pay you. Start a small business.
POMPOSITY or CLUELESS?
which mate.. what industry? you are looking at the Micro.. look at the macro..
Name ONE industry.. name it.. name one industry isn't FLUSH with companies now.. good ones GOING UNDER due to lack of customers.. no matter what the efforts..
and DO NOT DARE cite one that is WELFARE/GOVT backed... that is WELFARE!! ffs!
Your asking me? I don’t know where you live and even if i did, i dont know your skill set.
This is your problem, relying on other people to hand you a job.
Pick yourself up and figure it out.
Originally posted by network dude
Originally posted by HanzHenry
Originally posted by camaro68ss
So whos paying for this MASSIVE welfare system your talking about? The rich?
the Average salary for the world is $10,000 dollars a year. www.bbc.co.uk...
Making everyone in the United States RICH! So is this going to be a global effort? if so, all those making over $10,000 a year going to be taxed 90%?
hahah this is going to workout well.
WAGE COMPETITION!!
that is it in a nutshell.... we are TOAST!! in America
WELFARE is the ONLY SOLUTION!!
3 guys compete for one job = pay so low none can live = desperation = ever undercutting to get fed..
1 guy on welfare, 2 guys competing = more benefit for ALL..
imagine if 2 guys on welfare, living OK...that 1 guy = $$$$
supply and DEMAND!!
once you fully let my OP stew... overnight... come back tomorrow
You are looking at this from a perspective of a mine worker from West Virgina who's mine just closed. Yes, I bet it does suck where you are, but it's not like that everywhere. Jobs exist, education exists, not all education will produce a job, but some will.
As has been said, small business is now and has been the cornerstone to our economic structure. Some fail, some boom, but when one fails, another will pop up with a new initiative and drive. The people with that initiative and drive will be tomorrows 1%. It sucks that there are so few of those kind of people. The kind that would have to be just about starving before they would take a handout from the Govt. The kind that make things happen. The kind that make solutions, not excuses. Be that guy.
Originally posted by network dude
Originally posted by HanzHenry
Originally posted by camaro68ss
So whos paying for this MASSIVE welfare system your talking about? The rich?
the Average salary for the world is $10,000 dollars a year. www.bbc.co.uk...
Making everyone in the United States RICH! So is this going to be a global effort? if so, all those making over $10,000 a year going to be taxed 90%?
hahah this is going to workout well.
WAGE COMPETITION!!
that is it in a nutshell.... we are TOAST!! in America
WELFARE is the ONLY SOLUTION!!
3 guys compete for one job = pay so low none can live = desperation = ever undercutting to get fed..
1 guy on welfare, 2 guys competing = more benefit for ALL..
imagine if 2 guys on welfare, living OK...that 1 guy = $$$$
supply and DEMAND!!
once you fully let my OP stew... overnight... come back tomorrow
You are looking at this from a perspective of a mine worker from West Virgina who's mine just closed. Yes, I bet it does suck where you are, but it's not like that everywhere. Jobs exist, education exists, not all education will produce a job, but some will.
As has been said, small business is now and has been the cornerstone to our economic structure. Some fail, some boom, but when one fails, another will pop up with a new initiative and drive. The people with that initiative and drive will be tomorrows 1%. It sucks that there are so few of those kind of people. The kind that would have to be just about starving before they would take a handout from the Govt. The kind that make things happen. The kind that make solutions, not excuses. Be that guy.
Originally posted by HanzHenry
WAGE COMPETITION!!
that is it in a nutshell.... we are TOAST!! in America
WELFARE is the ONLY SOLUTION!!
3 guys compete for one job = pay so low none can live = desperation = ever undercutting to get fed..
1 guy on welfare, 2 guys competing = more benefit for ALL..
imagine if 2 guys on welfare, living OK...that 1 guy = $$$$
supply and DEMAND!!
once you fully let my OP stew... overnight... come back tomorrow
Originally posted by boohoo
Originally posted by HanzHenry
WAGE COMPETITION!!
that is it in a nutshell.... we are TOAST!! in America
WELFARE is the ONLY SOLUTION!!
3 guys compete for one job = pay so low none can live = desperation = ever undercutting to get fed..
1 guy on welfare, 2 guys competing = more benefit for ALL..
imagine if 2 guys on welfare, living OK...that 1 guy = $$$$
supply and DEMAND!!
once you fully let my OP stew... overnight... come back tomorrow
Actually this is something everyone should already realize. Up to the 1940 a person could get just about any job with an 8th grade education, but today you need a BA or Masters for entry level.
Why?
Because the government figured out a long time ago that populations would certainly increase over time, but the availability of jobs would not expand to meet the population growth. There is a reason they don't want people dropping out of high school, then attending junior college, then a 4 year university and finally a Masters degree or PhD because it DECREASES the amount of people looking for full-time employment at the SAME TIME, chasing after jobs in a market that CANNOT provide employment for everyone willing to work.
Look at it this way, when people could get a job with an 8th grade education they went out and did it (opportunity cost). Then jobs got scarcer and the minimum became a high school diploma, adding 4 more years of people NOT Looking for jobs within their cohort. Then jobs got even scarcer and the minimum became a 2 or 4 year degree, adding an additional 2-4 years of people NOT looking for jobs within their cohort. Now jobs are really scarce and may require a Masters or PHD, adding an additional 2-7 years of people NOT looking for jobs within their cohort.
Basically the way the economy has been structured TODAY, we are looking at young people within their cohort whom are NOT looking for full-time, career type, employment for 6-15 YEARS while they finish school!!!
This has been done ON PURPOSE to keep the number people seeking employment lower. In 1920 after 8th grade everyone who was able went out to look for work and found it, that's simply NOT possible today under any circumstances. What some of you seem to be missing with HanzHenry analysis is that WELFARE availability will add another 1-3 years of people within a cohort to those "not seeking employment", not to the specific detriment of society, but to continue to mask the illusion that jobs are available. So if someone gets a graduate degree and collects 1-3 years of welfare of some kind that's ONE less person competing for scarce jobs. The extra years of welfare then are acting in the same way to the larger economy as the increased minimum education levels for employment. Essentially to decrease the number of able-bodied applicants out on the job market at the same time.