Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by TarzanBeta
No. It's not really based on that alone, per se. It just kind of fits. It's just logical that the two who did not die mortal deaths would come back
in a dramatic END TIMES ministry and die mortal deaths after an extremely supernatural 3.5 year ministry that was a dramatic amplification of the type
of ministries they had earlier.
I think the Raptured saints at the end of the age . . . our END TIMES age . . . that we are clearly in now . . . is a different class of thing.
imho.
How can they be in a different class if Jesus Christ also died for them and they are made new creatures in Christ?
It doesn't fit and it's wrong. Elijah already came back, Jesus pointed it out. John the Baptist. That was the prophecy fulfilled.
The two witnesses will be brand new human beings. Scholars are just trying to have answers for something that has yet to manifest and to be
revealed.
Notice how everyone had read about the prophecies of the Messiah, but few were paying attention. And even only the best of the wise men knew where
and when the Messiah would be only after they first saw the star, the sign of the Messiah.
One does not have to make up an idea or an explanation for every prophecy in order to be considered a scholar. I recommend not listening to what the
majority of the church wants to push, because our church today is very similar to how the Jews were in Jesus' day.
They performed one job, but forewent the other job.
They tithed their herbs, but they didn't see to matters of the law. Of course, Christians need not perform those works, because Jesus said, "That
you should have done." When Jesus came, it was too late for them to continue their work; it was long over when they chose not to do the work.
Now today, people tithe with their words, but they forget to see to the matters of grace.
"I forgive you," They say, but they are lying, because they seek to begrudge, manipulate, and overcome you in their hearts.
"This is what prophecy means," They say, but they are lying, because they seek to solidify their position as teachers, to solidify their integrity
by providing more information, knowing we have been told to try the spirits; further, they maintain their positions by being in constant fellowship
with all other scholars and pastors, and therefore they "agree" upon which things they will agree upon and disagree upon, to give people the
illusion of choice as to which "denomination" of man's religion people might decide to join.
Now if we have a presupposition as to the nature of the prophecies, we fail. The prophecies are designed to be, "I told you so, now you see it."
Not, "try and guess what I'm saying for some extra heaven points!"
How many times the self-proclaimed Jews lied to themselves, and now the self-proclaimed Christians repeat the same mistakes.
I say self-proclaimed, because even Jesus said to the Jews that they were not true Jews, and further said that they were neither children of Abraham,
or else they would have known who He was; but rather, they were children of their father, Satan. And now again, self-proclaimed Christians are
repeating the same mistakes.
Grace has been twisted, and therefore, all manner of spiritual gifts have been twisted. Kindness and gentleness have been twisted. If a true
Christian gets angry, he is verbally and emotionally stoned by the self-proclaimed Christians who make themselves to be so "upright" and yet so
"humble" and so "honey boo-boo, I love you."
"Kill them with kindness," they think to themselves, forgetting that the purpose of the phrase means actually that you should desire to genuinely be
kind, and to feel sorry for people; not that you pick up the plowshare and swing it like an axe, like a Hulk in sheep's clothing.
And also prophetically speaking, they think, "Prove to them I have the Spirit of God, then they'll believe me." or they think, "God, cause them
this pain, or this problem, and show them they are interfering with your servant." Or even, "God, I trust that you give me the full truth. I know
that I know all things because of you, and my faith is in you, so whatever I say must be true, so I will speak, and they must hear. Also, surround me
with those of a like mind, and give to us to help serve you in this world, and to bring prophecy to light, and to be able to perform miracles in the
sight of men, if it is your will, so that we might do your wonderful works Lord."
Without even realizing it, this is in their hearts, and yet, they completely fail to realize their hearts are not right.
These are the leaders and the guides the sheep are following. But Jesus says, "My sheep know me and hear my voice."
Now there is little sense in debating the two witnesses, because in God's time, they will be revealed. The Word is for promise, not interpretation.