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Originally posted by miniatus
Originally posted by GArnold
On NPR this morning they said the NSA intercepts 32 petaflops of information not a year not a month not a week but a day. This number is obviously skewed as a pre emptive measure at Damage Control. Gen Hayden when he was in charge of the NSA was warned by his own lawyers the programs were illegal and he disregarded the information and went forward with more intrusive programs anyway. We will never know the truth but it will be shocking. The fact that the secret FISA courts were not informed of some programs is very disturbing. Hell the whole idea of secret courts is upsetting.
As I said in another thread the Who lyric
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" seems to apply to this fiasco.
I simply do not trust the US media to provide unbiased reporting on this matter.
edit on 16-8-2013 by GArnold because: (no reason given)edit on 16-8-2013 by GArnold because: (no reason given)
Yeah I had read on one of these stories where the NSA implemented a program months before notifying the courts.. the courts ruled that particular program as unconstitutional .. did the NSA shut it down as a result? .. we will never know.. my hunch? no.
One thing is for certain.. this is a public relations disaster as well as an international disaster.. the whole world is watching as the government gets caught in lies about this... if I were them, I would be very worried.. I don't think they know quite how much has actually been leaked by Snowden to date... the fact they publicly denied any abuses only to have those abuses leaked by way of this internal audit seems to prove that.. so I imagine they will be treading lightly as a result.. especially since other countries are getting a bit riled up about this.
Of course the smart thing to do would be to shut these programs down, but that's not going to happen..
Originally posted by MystikMushroom
I don't think there's a more apt phrase for this than:
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
When there is no accountability, no one to answer to, we will see an abuse of power.
WASHINGTON, Dec. 15 - Months after the Sept. 11 attacks, President Bush secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States to search for evidence of terrorist activity without the court-approved warrants ordinarily required for domestic spying, according to government officials. Under a presidential order signed in 2002, the intelligence agency has monitored the international telephone calls and international e-mail messages of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people inside the United States without warrants over the past three years in an effort to track possible "dirty numbers" linked to Al Qaeda, the officials said. The agency, they said, still seeks warrants to monitor entirely domestic communications.
Originally posted by Salander
reply to post by ItDepends
True enough, but if one is a hopeless romantic defending the rule of law and the US Constitution, it means something.
As Oliver Stone put it recently, the question is not "do you have something to hide?", the question is do we control the government, or does the government control us?
A complacent citizenry combined with an aggressive and usurping government has brought us to where we are now. Can that trajectory be changed? With posts like yours, I doubt it very much.
Even without posts like yours, I doubt it very much.